|
Post by foster on Jul 27, 2023 15:25:11 GMT
In 21/22 we finished with 62 points and that wasn't good enough.
Last season we finished with 53 points and were really poor for most of the season.
I don't think it's therefore unreasonable to expect us better our points tally of last season by 15+ points (around 68+ total), which would put us around the top 8.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2023 15:30:46 GMT
Literally every team in the Championship relies on loan players now. Look at last seasons top 6. They were packed with them. Exactly! Case closed M'lud
|
|
|
Post by bertiestan on Jul 27, 2023 15:32:48 GMT
Damned if you do damned if you don’t
|
|
|
Post by foxysgloves on Jul 27, 2023 15:33:05 GMT
Case closed M'lud How so? How many of those teams brought in 12+ signings for the first team squad?
|
|
|
Post by foxysgloves on Jul 27, 2023 15:35:09 GMT
Damned if you do damned if you don’t Well yeah we’ve put ourselves in the shite situation of needing a complete overhaul. We had to do it. But it’s still asking a lot of the manager and squad to be genuine promotion contenders. Outsiders who might sneak into the play offs fair enough. But failure to do that wouldn’t necessarily constitute a bad season imo.
|
|
|
Post by bertiestan on Jul 27, 2023 15:36:58 GMT
Damned if you do damned if you don’t Well yeah we’ve put ourselves in the shite situation of needing a complete overhaul. We had to do it. But it’s still asking a lot of the manager and squad to be genuine promotion contenders. Outsiders who might sneak into the play offs fair enough. But failure to do that wouldn’t necessarily constitute a bad season imo. Pretty much what he was saying the other night about getting some of the loans who were here last season in to help with that.
|
|
|
Post by GrahamHyde on Jul 27, 2023 15:39:23 GMT
No, it's optimistic.
Finishing between 8th and 14th is realistic in my opinion.
|
|
|
Post by a on Jul 27, 2023 15:43:11 GMT
I think it really is too soon to say. I made a prediction but only in jest.
|
|
|
Post by crouchbot on Jul 27, 2023 15:43:37 GMT
To answer the thread title question…
Promotion from the championship is realistic to any club in the league that’s relatively stable. By that I mean, no owner issues, transfer embargo’s, FFP points deductions etc. If a club isn’t affected by that chaos it’s got as much chance of promotion as any other club.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2023 15:44:10 GMT
Top 2 is pretty much guaranteed to be Leicester and Leeds (that's where i'd go if I was a betting man anyway) Southampton will be playoffs. Then it's upto the rest of the league to battle it out.
|
|
|
Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jul 27, 2023 15:45:44 GMT
My take on what’s happened (and still happening) is that it’s saved us from relegation which was becoming a certainty the more we stagnated as a club
What has particularly pleased me is that we have targeted and mostly signed players AN really wanted rather than the crazy scattergun approach of his predecessors.
Because I’m always a half full kinda guy I’m beginning to believe that the new assembled squad could get us very close indeed.
|
|
|
Post by questionable on Jul 27, 2023 15:45:53 GMT
There’s some utter, utter dross in this league, admittedly ourselves included but cut out the glaring mistakes poor tactics week in week out and we should be easily top ten.
|
|
|
Post by foster on Jul 27, 2023 15:48:37 GMT
Realistic to expect promotion, no. That's a huge leap in quality.
Realistic to expect a good campaign with us in the top half in or around the play off places, yes. As with every season.
Saying that, I'm always optimistic that we can get top 6 before the season starts. After a few games I then revise that forecast to bottom 6.
|
|
|
Post by scfcno1fan on Jul 27, 2023 15:51:34 GMT
There’s some utter, utter dross in this league, admittedly ourselves included but cut out the glaring mistakes poor tactics week in week out and we should be easily top ten. Yeah I said this the other day. There really are some poor teams this year.
|
|
|
Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jul 27, 2023 15:54:57 GMT
There’s some utter, utter dross in this league, admittedly ourselves included but cut out the glaring mistakes poor tactics week in week out and we should be easily top ten. Does this mean you've cheered up a bit then, given a couple of weeks ago the fact that various people were leaving was a sign of the apocalypse and Neil was a man who reeked of 'desperation' and was 'stuck in 1995'?
|
|
|
Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jul 27, 2023 15:59:27 GMT
Top 2 is pretty much guaranteed to be Leicester and Leeds (that's where i'd go if I was a betting man anyway) Southampton will be playoffs. Then it's upto the rest of the league to battle it out. Most were saying promotion was pretty much guaranteed for us in our first season down. I think promotion for us is realistic this season, but it is for 10 or so other clubs too.
|
|
|
Post by femark on Jul 27, 2023 16:01:13 GMT
It all depends on how the new signings play. We have absolutely no idea how well the likes of Vidigal, Chiquinho and any other left field signings are going to do, so we have no idea what to realistically expect.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2023 16:01:14 GMT
Top 2 is pretty much guaranteed to be Leicester and Leeds (that's where i'd go if I was a betting man anyway) Southampton will be playoffs. Then it's upto the rest of the league to battle it out. Most were saying promotion was pretty much guaranteed for us in our first season down. I think promotion for us is realistic this season, but it is for 10 or so other clubs too. Difference is though Leicester and Leeds are in a much better state than we were. They still have very good players left, a hell of a lot of money. They will both be like Burnley this seasob I reckon and will both go up comfortably. Southampton are a wildcard
|
|
|
Post by miggo on Jul 27, 2023 16:01:44 GMT
No.
|
|
|
Post by march4 on Jul 27, 2023 16:03:09 GMT
We need a dominant CB and a powerful CF.
Then we would be top 6.
|
|
|
Post by bertiestan on Jul 27, 2023 16:04:28 GMT
Most were saying promotion was pretty much guaranteed for us in our first season down. I think promotion for us is realistic this season, but it is for 10 or so other clubs too. Difference is though Leicester and Leeds are in a much better state than we were. They still have very good players left, a hell of a lot of money. They will both be like Burnley this seasob I reckon and will both go up comfortably. Southampton are a wildcard Southampton won’t go up with Russell Martin in charge imo
|
|
|
Post by stokest5 on Jul 27, 2023 16:05:18 GMT
While I rate the manager, it’s going to take Guardiola like genius to integrate this amount of players and nationalities and make us genuinely competitive this season. That said, if the fans get on board, and we get a solid mid table finish with clear signs of a new identity and evolution, then I think promotion could become a real possibility in a season or two’s time. Or am I being too negative? At what page of this debate did you change the title thread? Ha
|
|
|
Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 27, 2023 16:06:41 GMT
Leicester are screaming of us when we got relegated. Connor Coady stands out as a terrible signing imo. He's like Ashley Williams.
Norwich are tipped to have a bad season.
Haven't paid much attention to Leeds.
Boro will be up there because Carrick looks like he could be a top manager.
I think Russell Martin is a show pony of a manager and wouldn't be surprised if he's gone by November.
Coventry, I think they will be too predictable.
Sunderland you'd imagine will be up there and I think they'll go up top 2.
It's wide open, if we can tread water first month whilst the team gels, we could really shift through the gears.
|
|
|
Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 27, 2023 16:13:36 GMT
Top 2 is pretty much guaranteed to be Leicester and Leeds (that's where i'd go if I was a betting man anyway) Southampton will be playoffs. Then it's upto the rest of the league to battle it out. Got a feeling that 2 of the teams relegated, won't make the top 2.
|
|
|
Post by wearepremierleague on Jul 27, 2023 16:14:16 GMT
We could be anything. But give me that over knowing we’re going to be shit any day.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2023 16:14:39 GMT
Difference is though Leicester and Leeds are in a much better state than we were. They still have very good players left, a hell of a lot of money. They will both be like Burnley this seasob I reckon and will both go up comfortably. Southampton are a wildcard Southampton won’t go up with Russell Martin in charge imo Yep that's what I mean they are a wildcard..genuinely have no idea what to expect from them
|
|
|
Post by bertiestan on Jul 27, 2023 16:30:03 GMT
Southampton won’t go up with Russell Martin in charge imo Yep that's what I mean they are a wildcard..genuinely have no idea what to expect from them Doubt it will be promotion.
|
|
|
Post by pavel on Jul 27, 2023 16:34:51 GMT
Can’t see promotion, if everything goes right maybe plays off but realistically top 10 is the best we can probably do. Anything less would be seen as a failure by many depending on how we actually play. More enjoyable football and a top half finish would be progress.
|
|
|
Post by lordb on Jul 27, 2023 16:37:34 GMT
This thread is 6 weeks to early, we don't know what the final squad is yet
Don’t think anyone outside the area has Stoke down for promotion candidates atm so talk of 'must deliver promotion' appears OTT
Must deliver something much better that's for sure We can all take a view on what that looks like but 'promotion or else' seems daft
Think we will be highly erratic for the first month or two
|
|
|
Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 27, 2023 16:42:04 GMT
A steady start and hopefully progression as the team gels should see us fighting for the play offs. I think anything outside top ten could see the end of Neil. I’m optimistic
|
|