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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 20, 2023 20:17:52 GMT
People may say you can’t watch 10 minutes and make a judgement but if that 10 minutes confirms your pre conceived idea then that’s it. I did much the same, although I watched a bit more through gritted teeth. My take aways are (and women football lovers don’t take this the wrong way) the goals should probably be a little smaller, 6 inches makes a huge difference as we all know😉 and the big one………. Shorten the playing time. The difference between first and second halves are stark. I understand women will say absolutely not but the game will not move on until some changes happen. Much like Tennis, women can’t play 5 sets and nor do they want to. Women at the top level simply don’t have the physical attributes of a man at the top level. I'd go the other way and make blokes goals 6 inches wider and make it 10v10. When they drew up the rules 100+ years ago they couldn't have envisaged 6 foot five keepers and outfield players collectively running 140km per game. The bloke's game is becoming stale and the only answer always seems to be 'what if we make the big plastic soulless clubs even richer so they can spunk it all on a reducing pool of talent?' Plus I'm a bloke and far from perfect- I'd shag half the Swedish and Japanese team if in a bizarre parallel universe they'd acquiesce amd have also dreamt of wrestling the big Colombian centre forward in a vat of beans which ended both badly but satisfactorily for me twice. There is no need to change the parameters of the men’s game, it works perfectly well. In the womens game the goalkeepers are clearly susceptible to the lob (oooh matron) and they tire quickly, that’s perfectly clear from the evidence of this World Cup. Do you think there should be no change? Interested to know as your daughter seems quite the player by all accounts
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Post by napperwainwright on Aug 20, 2023 20:26:46 GMT
Switched Radio 5 Live commentary on just as Spain were about to take the penalty. Switched off immediately after the save because of the fucking awful commentator.
Why do these female commentators have to growl and over emphasise every single aspect of the game.
It was "making my ears bleed" after just 30 seconds.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 20, 2023 20:32:40 GMT
Switched Radio 5 Live commentary on just as Spain were about to take the penalty. Switched off immediately after the save because of the fucking awful commentator. Why do these female commentators have to growl and over emphasise every single aspect of the game. It was "making my ears bleed" after just 30 seconds. They all appear to aspire to be Johnathon Pearce, I call it “howling”
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Post by noustie on Aug 20, 2023 20:32:53 GMT
I'd go the other way and make blokes goals 6 inches wider and make it 10v10. When they drew up the rules 100+ years ago they couldn't have envisaged 6 foot five keepers and outfield players collectively running 140km per game. The bloke's game is becoming stale and the only answer always seems to be 'what if we make the big plastic soulless clubs even richer so they can spunk it all on a reducing pool of talent?' Plus I'm a bloke and far from perfect- I'd shag half the Swedish and Japanese team if in a bizarre parallel universe they'd acquiesce amd have also dreamt of wrestling the big Colombian centre forward in a vat of beans which ended both badly but satisfactorily for me twice. There is no need to change the parameters of the men’s game, it works perfectly well. In the womens game the goalkeepers are clearly susceptible to the lob (oooh matron) and they tire quickly, that’s perfectly clear from the evidence of this World Cup. Do you think there should be no change? Interested to know as your daughter seems quite the player by all accounts I'm her dad so obviously biased 😆 The goalkeeper is an interesting one because when the rules were written in c.1900 the average bloke was 5 ft 8 - Yashan was a giant in the 50s at 6ft2. The average height of a bloke keeper is now 6 ft 5. The average height of female keepers at the last World cup was 5 foot 8 so they're playing in goals designed for their height already. Watching any of the youth level and serious nations are obviously scouting for absolute units to get taller between the sticks though defo. Watching old bloke World Cups in black n white the keepers are absolutely shit too so it appears all part of the evolution.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 20, 2023 20:36:36 GMT
There is no need to change the parameters of the men’s game, it works perfectly well. In the womens game the goalkeepers are clearly susceptible to the lob (oooh matron) and they tire quickly, that’s perfectly clear from the evidence of this World Cup. Do you think there should be no change? Interested to know as your daughter seems quite the player by all accounts I'm her dad so obviously biased 😆 The goalkeeper is an interesting one because when the rules were written in c.1900 the average bloke was 5 ft 8 - Yashan was a giant in the 50s at 6ft2. The average height of a bloke keeper is now 6 ft 5. The average height of female keepers at the last World cup was 5 foot 8 so they're playing in goals designed for their height already. Watching any of the youth level and serious nations are obviously scouting for absolute units to get taller between the sticks though defo. Watching old bloke World Cups in black n white the keepers are absolutely shit too so it appears all part of the evolution. So on the overwhelming evidence so far they aren’t as agile maybe? The goals are fine for blokes despite the general increase in height. Maybe the clue is in what you say, in the old days of mini men, they were shit. So it seems about right now. Perhaps we should just wait until women keeper reach 6ft 4’? Just trying to think of things to make the game better.
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Post by napperwainwright on Aug 20, 2023 20:38:12 GMT
Switched Radio 5 Live commentary on just as Spain were about to take the penalty. Switched off immediately after the save because of the fucking awful commentator. Why do these female commentators have to growl and over emphasise every single aspect of the game. It was "making my ears bleed" after just 30 seconds. They all appear to aspire to be Johnathon Pearce, I call it “howling” Jonathon Pearce commentary style is a very low bar to set for anyone.
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Post by noustie on Aug 20, 2023 20:52:57 GMT
In fairness mate my wee lass is top girl in the Dundee United Girls Utility Ultras. Last season Glasgow City Roman Catholic Riot Squad turned up and they're a proper naughty firm so there was a real edge in the air at the local trampoline park. All of a sudden a neon blue raspberry slushy has been chucked against the wall and some weegie ginger gadgy is screeching 'yer Da sells Avon ye Dundee minky bastards!' Bosh, it goes off and there's claret, grippy socks and spongey cubes flying everywhere! After ten minutes of absolute mayhem with the stewards manically whistling about running across the trampolines mine has collected the 9 carrot thick gold chains from the neck of five of their fallen top crew, clambered to the top of tallest wall tramp despite continued whistling from stewards, held them aloft and shouted 'fuck off back to Springburn to yer junkie teenage mums!' Obviously I grounded her but guiltily admit to a modicum of pride too. In seriousness, we're still at the amateur stage where income is driven by the success of the national teams. We've been 6 games (3 of each) but the girls could defo be done with qualifying again as they've blown the lsst two. The WSL will be integral to that as that's where our talent goes plus Rangers and Celtic have now taken an interest. Would say 5k average for the WSL ain't bad and is in line with League 2 average before Wrexham and Notts. The women just need to not get greedy as £30k- £100k a year (outside superstars/ Lionesses) wages a year is likely sustainable short to medium term. If you omit the showcase games, the average attendance falls from 6,000 to 3,000. But even 6,000 @ £10 a head wouldn't be equal to 3,000 @ £25 a head.Do you really think that anyone in League 2 is on £100k? I think they need to stop comparing themselves with the Men's game and get on with building up their own version. This World Cup generated a fiftheenth of the revenue that last year's Men's World Cup did. FIFA gave the Women a quarter as much prize money as the men received. Yet the Australian Team complained that this wasn't good enough and they wanted the same as the Men got. Had they been given a fiftheenth they would have received about £29m instead of the £110m they actually got. Even our own squad who all received £10k to help bring family to Australia and are getting £150 k each (even if they didn't play a game) are complaining that the FA should give them more money. So good luck with keeping salaries realistic. It's like any long term vision - front end investment is always going be top heavy. I've no issue personally them using the blokes as a benchmark to be honest- it's like Tennis, golf etc where its the same played differently. If they're realistic and used League 2 as a barometer plus their sponsorship likely is bigger then I'd have no issues with that plus I'd imagine there's tax benefits to the big boys investing comparative peanuts at a loss into their wsl teams. Along with ESG I'd imagine those are two reasons bloke's teams are stumping up to be honest rather than altruistic intent. I'd agree if they wanted an equal share too playing for England. However, I've said before fully expect them to blow up another league getting greedy like the US team are in the process of achieving. It's disappointing they want to coin in as much as possible recklessly to the detriment of future generations. Another point is it makes sense from their perspective to take lessons from the blokes game - the girls coaching system is pinching the good stuff, discarding the crap and isn't yet bogged down in politics so can swivel rapidly. At a national tournament in Edinburgh the u16s were bunt and rush whereas some of the u12s and 10s were spraying it about two touch. Swear down the difference is wild!
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Post by lancashirelad on Aug 20, 2023 20:57:05 GMT
Switched Radio 5 Live commentary on just as Spain were about to take the penalty. Switched off immediately after the save because of the fucking awful commentator. Why do these female commentators have to growl and over emphasise every single aspect of the game. It was "making my ears bleed" after just 30 seconds. Yes that is Vicky Sparks who always over emphasises every words and the voice is so annoying. She from Newcastle (UK) but sounds like an Aussie and over the last few seasons if travelling and Vicky is the commentator its a retune. Thankfully Robyn Cowen the TV one is much better to listen to. Connor McNamara is my fav on radio commentary.
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Post by noustie on Aug 20, 2023 21:02:00 GMT
I'm her dad so obviously biased 😆 The goalkeeper is an interesting one because when the rules were written in c.1900 the average bloke was 5 ft 8 - Yashan was a giant in the 50s at 6ft2. The average height of a bloke keeper is now 6 ft 5. The average height of female keepers at the last World cup was 5 foot 8 so they're playing in goals designed for their height already. Watching any of the youth level and serious nations are obviously scouting for absolute units to get taller between the sticks though defo. Watching old bloke World Cups in black n white the keepers are absolutely shit too so it appears all part of the evolution. So on the overwhelming evidence so far they aren’t as agile maybe? The goals are fine for blokes despite the general increase in height. Maybe the clue is in what you say, in the old days of mini men, they were shit. So it seems about right now. Perhaps we should just wait until women keeper reach 6ft 4’? Just trying to think of things to make the game better. Only way is the taller they get the less likely the ball is to loop over them. The bloke keeper for Mexico in the 90s Campos was an absolute ninja but at 5 feet 6 even he was fucked under anything looping and dipping under the cross bar. I'd say the women's goalkeeping shot stopping is getting loads better and being shorter helps get low quickly- they'll never look as good as blokes though because they're 10-15% shorter. Personally I find it one of the idiosyncrasies of the women's game that adds to the appeal.
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Post by noustie on Aug 20, 2023 21:04:36 GMT
They all appear to aspire to be Johnathon Pearce, I call it “howling” Jonathon Pearce commentary style is a very low bar to set for anyone. You take that back - when Sir Killalot blew up on Robot Wars his eulogy was truly touching.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 20, 2023 21:05:26 GMT
So on the overwhelming evidence so far they aren’t as agile maybe? The goals are fine for blokes despite the general increase in height. Maybe the clue is in what you say, in the old days of mini men, they were shit. So it seems about right now. Perhaps we should just wait until women keeper reach 6ft 4’? Just trying to think of things to make the game better. Only way is the taller they get the less likely the ball is to loop over them. The bloke keeper for Mexico in the 90s Campos was an absolute ninja but at 5 feet 6 even he was fucked under anything looping and dipping under the cross bar. I'd say the women's goalkeeping shot stopping is getting loads better and being shorter helps get low quickly- they'll never look as good as blokes though because they're 10-15% shorter. Personally I find it one of the idiosyncrasies of the women's game that adds to the appeal. Fair enough mate. You watch the stuff. Campos was rubbish by the way as we all know
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Post by noustie on Aug 20, 2023 21:10:27 GMT
Only way is the taller they get the less likely the ball is to loop over them. The bloke keeper for Mexico in the 90s Campos was an absolute ninja but at 5 feet 6 even he was fucked under anything looping and dipping under the cross bar. I'd say the women's goalkeeping shot stopping is getting loads better and being shorter helps get low quickly- they'll never look as good as blokes though because they're 10-15% shorter. Personally I find it one of the idiosyncrasies of the women's game that adds to the appeal. Fair enough mate. You watch the stuff. Campos was rubbish by the way as we all know Best reflexes in the world but absolutely fucking useless because he was 5 foot 6 and they weren't playing futsal 😉
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 20, 2023 21:29:01 GMT
Their target market is women and men who are open to the women's game not sexist males who think nothing can compete with the men's game. I don't understand why some men feel the need to knock the women's game just because they aren't at the same level as men. It might not be cool enough or masculine enough for some men but that doesn't mean it can't be on a par with a different audience to the men's game. I don't think it's sexist at all to think it won't be able to compete with the men's game. I love football, but I've had no interest in this World Cup whatsoever. I've probably watched about 10 minutes in total of the whole tournament. Does that make me sexist even though I still wanted them to do well, I personally think not. It's just a personal preference, not prejudice. Why do you think that you actually matter? Women's football isn't going to be for everyone for different reasons. I don't watch cricket, tennis, golf and a number of sports. I'm just not going to put them down because they aren't men or at their level or even compare them to men. I can't understand why the netball team had so many people in the crowd but they did. Women's football can be big amongst women supporters and men who also enjoy it. Just because it's not your cup of tea doesn't mean it can't be big in its own right. I don't remember girls playing football at school but I bet they do now. Football is a great sport and if women can love it as much as men do then it's great. Anyway I'm pissed and waffling. I'm gutted we lost but the best team won.
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Post by noustie on Aug 20, 2023 21:49:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2023 6:58:38 GMT
I don't think it's sexist at all to think it won't be able to compete with the men's game. I love football, but I've had no interest in this World Cup whatsoever. I've probably watched about 10 minutes in total of the whole tournament. Does that make me sexist even though I still wanted them to do well, I personally think not. It's just a personal preference, not prejudice. Why do you think that you actually matter? Women's football isn't going to be for everyone for different reasons. I don't watch cricket, tennis, golf and a number of sports. I'm just not going to put them down because they aren't men or at their level or even compare them to men. I can't understand why the netball team had so many people in the crowd but they did. Women's football can be big amongst women supporters and men who also enjoy it. Just because it's not your cup of tea doesn't mean it can't be big in its own right. I don't remember girls playing football at school but I bet they do now. Football is a great sport and if women can love it as much as men do then it's great. Anyway I'm pissed and waffling. I'm gutted we lost but the best team won. I never said it can't be big. I stated that the coverage/exposure and money being pumped into it is incredible and long overdue. What I said was that it will never be as big as the men's game. That doesn't mean I don't want the women's game to thrive and do well.
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Post by eccythump on Aug 21, 2023 7:27:02 GMT
Thought the fans were an absolute disgrace and should be ashamed of how they represented England. Not 1 fight , no arrests , no bars trashed, no bottles thrown... Shameful.
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Post by ChesterStokie on Aug 21, 2023 7:31:06 GMT
How come the penalty was not retaken? Our keeper virtually tackled the penalty taker! The 'keeper was well off the line, but I thought it was a poor penalty, not remotely enough power behind it. No her right foot was just on the line when the ball was struck.
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Post by musik on Aug 21, 2023 22:47:11 GMT
We'll get it next time. If it only hadn't been for the Spanish player covering Musovic's sight ...
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Aug 21, 2023 23:08:44 GMT
There is no need to change the parameters of the men’s game, it works perfectly well. In the womens game the goalkeepers are clearly susceptible to the lob (oooh matron) and they tire quickly, that’s perfectly clear from the evidence of this World Cup. Do you think there should be no change? Interested to know as your daughter seems quite the player by all accounts I'm her dad so obviously biased 😆 The goalkeeper is an interesting one because when the rules were written in c.1900 the average bloke was 5 ft 8 - Yashan was a giant in the 50s at 6ft2. The average height of a bloke keeper is now 6 ft 5. The average height of female keepers at the last World cup was 5 foot 8 so they're playing in goals designed for their height already. Watching any of the youth level and serious nations are obviously scouting for absolute units to get taller between the sticks though defo. Watching old bloke World Cups in black n white the keepers are absolutely shit too so it appears all part of the evolution. One of the first games I remember watching live on TV was the 77 Euro Cup final. Was the first time had ever seen a really tall keeper, Wolfgang Knieb think his name was and he was enormous compared to keepers of the day. He was a bit rubbish on the deck seem to remember.
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Post by skip on Aug 21, 2023 23:19:26 GMT
Utterly tragic. And didn't her family know but not tell her until after the game to ensure she focused on the final? RIP the goalscorer's dad.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 22, 2023 9:24:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2023 13:27:11 GMT
If that was the men's team that did that they would have had a new arsehole ripped open by the media and public. So much for giving back to the fans.
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Post by noustie on Aug 22, 2023 13:41:40 GMT
Regardless of a long flight and losing in the final that's proper wank that especially when they're at the coal face of making it a sustainable sport professionally. The only excuse would be a security concern but seems unlikely given the crowd wasn't massive and it was predominantly kids.
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Post by independent on Aug 22, 2023 18:50:01 GMT
About 40 people in all. One Mother and Daughter told how they left home at 10.30 the night before and didn't get any sleep. I'm sure they understood why they weren't allowed the privilege of welcoming the Lionesses home.
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