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Post by spitthedog on Jun 18, 2023 16:47:01 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65945030Is this the start of something significant in world football? He is no 'has-been'. In the prime of his career. I know we have been here with China and that fizzled out, but how will it go with Saudi football?
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Post by chad on Jun 18, 2023 16:50:57 GMT
The same way as China. They can throw all the money in the world at the best players and no doubt some will take it But at the end of the day nobody is going to give a shit who wins the Saudi League
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Post by mrrine on Jun 18, 2023 16:51:02 GMT
Madness in every respect.
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Post by grovepotter on Jun 18, 2023 17:05:40 GMT
The same way as China. They can throw all the money in the world at the best players and no doubt some will take it But at the end of the day nobody is going to give a shit who wins the Saudi League Absolutely agree, change can happen and leagues can gain relevance. I believe the MLS will start to show this now but "to a degree" they have reduced the previous money +++ approach and are trying to use the stars (Becks, Messi) to change football culture in that region.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 18, 2023 17:16:49 GMT
Good deal for Wolves
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 18, 2023 17:17:31 GMT
The same way as China. They can throw all the money in the world at the best players and no doubt some will take it But at the end of the day nobody is going to give a shit who wins the Saudi League Absolutely agree, change can happen and leagues can gain relevance. I believe the MLS will start to show this now but "to a degree" they have reduced the previous money +++ approach and are trying to use the stars (Becks, Messi) to change football culture in that region. I can’t see the MLS changing massively just because Messi has arrived. Soccer has way too much competition over here and clubs only exist in the big cities, making it harder for much of the country to care about them at all. Saudi is an interesting one. They will have to get their middle class involved (who else has the time/money?) but surely it takes at least a generation to build up consistent support similar to that you see in Europe.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jun 18, 2023 17:23:02 GMT
Very much so but going to a club who owns Newcastle Utd.....That will be no chance of him going on loan then to get his champions league football experience then & so ensuring Newcastle avoid any possible FFP scenarios?
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 18, 2023 17:55:13 GMT
Very much so but going to a club who owns Newcastle Utd.....That will be no chance of him going on loan then to get his champions league football experience then & so ensuring Newcastle avoid any possible FFP scenarios? That's one to watch!
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Post by J-Roar on Jun 18, 2023 19:16:49 GMT
These nation states really are intent on fucking up football
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 18, 2023 19:18:05 GMT
Very much so but going to a club who owns Newcastle Utd.....That will be no chance of him going on loan then to get his champions league football experience then & so ensuring Newcastle avoid any possible FFP scenarios? That's one to watch! You watch it mate, sounds incredibly boring to me😉
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 19, 2023 4:31:04 GMT
Call me suspicious, but I reckon Neves has only went there for the money.
What if Saudi Arabia struck a deal to play in the European Cup? They could afford to spend billions to get in.
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Post by telfordstokie on Jun 19, 2023 5:04:54 GMT
The same way as China. They can throw all the money in the world at the best players and no doubt some will take it But at the end of the day nobody is going to give a shit who wins the Saudi League Totally agree - they will have the same problem as China in that no one outside the country will care about the individual teams. We all know Arnie played in China after West Ham but how many could name his club there? I know Ronaldo is in Saudi and know Neves, Benzema, Kante, etc, are going but couldn’t tell you who they will play for.
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Post by flea79 on Jun 19, 2023 8:02:06 GMT
Absolutely agree, change can happen and leagues can gain relevance. I believe the MLS will start to show this now but "to a degree" they have reduced the previous money +++ approach and are trying to use the stars (Becks, Messi) to change football culture in that region. I can’t see the MLS changing massively just because Messi has arrived. Soccer has way too much competition over here and clubs only exist in the big cities, making it harder for much of the country to care about them at all. Saudi is an interesting one. They will have to get their middle class involved (who else has the time/money?) but surely it takes at least a generation to build up consistent support similar to that you see in Europe. sure i read a couple of years back that more people watch the MLS on tv than watch basketball and baseball combined now, its well on its way too becoming the second sport in America
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jun 19, 2023 8:02:25 GMT
The same way as China. They can throw all the money in the world at the best players and no doubt some will take it But at the end of the day nobody is going to give a shit who wins the Saudi League Absolutely agree, change can happen and leagues can gain relevance. I believe the MLS will start to show this now but "to a degree" they have reduced the previous money +++ approach and are trying to use the stars (Becks, Messi) to change football culture in that region. I couldn’t tell you who’s won a single MLS in the past 10 years.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 19, 2023 8:09:42 GMT
Chelsea are counting their lucky stars I'll say that much.
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Post by kerouac on Jun 19, 2023 9:14:43 GMT
Yes, this sent a slight shudder down my spine when I saw it last night. they do seem intent on throwing their weight/money around, the fact that they enabled the amalgamation with the PGA shows the power these fuckers are wheeling.
Having said that, I have no interest in any footballing mercenary who goes over there or indeed, the football they play… hopefully it will go the same way as a Chinese food and just fizzle out.
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Post by iglugluk on Jun 19, 2023 10:16:41 GMT
Looking to diversify away from oil as it slowly becomes less relevant and move into the 'religion' of global sport.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jun 19, 2023 10:23:19 GMT
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Post by scfc75 on Jun 19, 2023 11:04:18 GMT
Call me suspicious, but I reckon Neves has only went there for the money. What if Saudi Arabia struck a deal to play in the European Cup? They could afford to spend billions to get in. You can see it now… The EMEA Champions League…. UEFA would be all over that.
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 19, 2023 11:12:26 GMT
I can’t see the MLS changing massively just because Messi has arrived. Soccer has way too much competition over here and clubs only exist in the big cities, making it harder for much of the country to care about them at all. Saudi is an interesting one. They will have to get their middle class involved (who else has the time/money?) but surely it takes at least a generation to build up consistent support similar to that you see in Europe. sure i read a couple of years back that more people watch the MLS on tv than watch basketball and baseball combined now, its well on its way too becoming the second sport in America I don’t believe that statement. en.as.com/soccer/the-mls-is-growing-but-still-far-from-the-nfl-mlb-and-nba-in-the-united-states-n/?outputType=ampMLS is only big in the cities really. College soccer is NEVER on tv, so there’s little attachment there either. Viewership average in 2021 was 285k. NBA was in the millions: theathletic.com/3500551/2022/04/13/nba-average-viewership-up-19-for-2021-22-vs-last-season-across-abc-tnt-espn/?amp=1It is suggested that it may be close to being more popular than NHL, probably in the South.
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Post by flea79 on Jun 19, 2023 12:15:00 GMT
its a while back and i was sure it was about tv viewership, could be completely wrong though! or maybe it was stats taken from one weekend or something!
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Post by shakermaker on Jun 19, 2023 12:27:49 GMT
Looking to diversify away from oil as it slowly becomes less relevant and move into the 'religion' of global sport. Isn’t the oil beginning to dry up around the globe’s oil wells? Electric is starting to gain momentum. With a combination of electric taking a large share of the automobile market and less oil to suck out of the ground, won’t Saudi monetary power just collapse like a pack of cards?
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 19, 2023 12:45:19 GMT
its a while back and i was sure it was about tv viewership, could be completely wrong though! or maybe it was stats taken from one weekend or something! Maybe it was referencing women’s football versus other women’s sport? That is relatively big over here, perhaps because the National team has such a long period of success. I don’t know what female sport would do better though, probably athletics. Viewership figures for WNSL were higher than the MLS last year: “Notably, MLS seems to be struggling in 2022 while NWSL's television ratings are soaring. As of April 2022, aired NWSL matches attracted over 450,000 viewers while MLS matches recorded an average of 283,000 viewers per game.” That they are still paid a fraction of the Men’s when more people watch the Women’s is kind of bonkers. With that in mind: NFL NBA College football College Basketball Baseball Golf Tennis Women’s football Athletics All do better than the MLS.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jun 19, 2023 12:54:17 GMT
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Post by flea79 on Jun 19, 2023 13:00:01 GMT
its a while back and i was sure it was about tv viewership, could be completely wrong though! or maybe it was stats taken from one weekend or something! Maybe it was referencing women’s football versus other women’s sport? That is relatively big over here, perhaps because the National team has such a long period of success. I don’t know what female sport would do better though, probably athletics. Viewership figures for WNSL were higher than the MLS last year: “Notably, MLS seems to be struggling in 2022 while NWSL's television ratings are soaring. As of April 2022, aired NWSL matches attracted over 450,000 viewers while MLS matches recorded an average of 283,000 viewers per game.” That they are still paid a fraction of the Men’s when more people watch the Women’s is kind of bonkers. With that in mind: NFL NBA College football College Basketball Baseball Golf Tennis Women’s football Athletics All do better than the MLS. maybe im getting it round my head with this? bleacherreport.com/articles/1290390-nba-and-nhl-get-the-boot-mls-is-the-3rd-most-attended-sports-league-in-america
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 19, 2023 13:15:44 GMT
Maybe it was referencing women’s football versus other women’s sport? That is relatively big over here, perhaps because the National team has such a long period of success. I don’t know what female sport would do better though, probably athletics. Viewership figures for WNSL were higher than the MLS last year: “Notably, MLS seems to be struggling in 2022 while NWSL's television ratings are soaring. As of April 2022, aired NWSL matches attracted over 450,000 viewers while MLS matches recorded an average of 283,000 viewers per game.” That they are still paid a fraction of the Men’s when more people watch the Women’s is kind of bonkers. With that in mind: NFL NBA College football College Basketball Baseball Golf Tennis Women’s football Athletics All do better than the MLS. maybe im getting it round my head with this? bleacherreport.com/articles/1290390-nba-and-nhl-get-the-boot-mls-is-the-3rd-most-attended-sports-league-in-americaAh, so in-person viewership. That’s basically cheating 😉 I can see that. It’s not hard to do when you look at the size of NBA and NHL stadiums. The Bulls is around 20k. Basketball/hockey don’t really work for big stadiums. The courts/rings are just so small, you’d have to build up into the heavens as there’s no space to build around. Tv viewership is the proper barometer for popularity here and the MLS really is nowhere near the other sports I mentioned. There’s also the fact that, in bars/just at home, people can be up watching the PL between 7-12:30. They’ll get their fill of a stronger league and then after that, it’s time for a change in sport back to something that more people understand. Apple have just invested heavily in it, so perhaps it will change but I just see them taking away ESPN’s viewership more than taking in drastically more new viewers.
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Post by flea79 on Jun 19, 2023 13:26:31 GMT
Ah, so in-person viewership. That’s basically cheating 😉 I can see that. It’s not hard to do when you look at the size of NBA and NHL stadiums. The Bulls is around 20k. Basketball/hockey don’t really work for big stadiums. The courts/rings are just so small, you’d have to build up into the heavens as there’s no space to build around. Tv viewership is the proper barometer for popularity here and the MLS really is nowhere near the other sports I mentioned. There’s also the fact that, in bars/just at home, people can be up watching the PL between 7-12:30. They’ll get their fill of a stronger league and then after that, it’s time for a change in sport back to something that more people understand. Apple have just invested heavily in it, so perhaps it will change but I just see them taking away ESPN’s viewership more than taking in drastically more new viewers. the future of how sport is distributed and viewed is hugely important i guess, not sure what the costs are in America for live sports but here in the uk its a joke, it can cost upwards of £100 a month should you want access too all providers and that is only selected games too when i lived in the middle east it was 5 quid a month and that was all games for most major leagues and all sporting events the sooner a streaming service launches a competitively priced sports option that breaks the monopoly sky tv has the better
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 19, 2023 13:35:33 GMT
Ah, so in-person viewership. That’s basically cheating 😉 I can see that. It’s not hard to do when you look at the size of NBA and NHL stadiums. The Bulls is around 20k. Basketball/hockey don’t really work for big stadiums. The courts/rings are just so small, you’d have to build up into the heavens as there’s no space to build around. Tv viewership is the proper barometer for popularity here and the MLS really is nowhere near the other sports I mentioned. There’s also the fact that, in bars/just at home, people can be up watching the PL between 7-12:30. They’ll get their fill of a stronger league and then after that, it’s time for a change in sport back to something that more people understand. Apple have just invested heavily in it, so perhaps it will change but I just see them taking away ESPN’s viewership more than taking in drastically more new viewers. the future of how sport is distributed and viewed is hugely important i guess, not sure what the costs are in America for live sports but here in the uk its a joke, it can cost upwards of £100 a month should you want access too all providers and that is only selected games too when i lived in the middle east it was 5 quid a month and that was all games for most major leagues and all sporting events the sooner a streaming service launches a competitively priced sports option that breaks the monopoly sky tv has the better So, in the US, it’s far more expensive because games are split across so many services. It’s $389-489 (depending on when you buy) for Sunday games of NFL per season on YoutubeTv. Not all games are played on a Sunday and the season itself is only a couple of months. That only covers the NFL as well, so you’d need to spend more on other packages and midweek games. The price per game gets very high as there aren’t that many in a season. Given that you’ve lived in the Middle East, what do you think that the Saudi’s will do with tv deals? I’d imagine they’ll try and keep it low for a while and then start to ramp it up when they feel that they have a hardcore base.
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Post by flea79 on Jun 19, 2023 13:55:08 GMT
the future of how sport is distributed and viewed is hugely important i guess, not sure what the costs are in America for live sports but here in the uk its a joke, it can cost upwards of £100 a month should you want access too all providers and that is only selected games too when i lived in the middle east it was 5 quid a month and that was all games for most major leagues and all sporting events the sooner a streaming service launches a competitively priced sports option that breaks the monopoly sky tv has the better So, in the US, it’s far more expensive because games are split across so many services. It’s $389-489 (depending on when you buy) for Sunday games of NFL per season on YoutubeTv. Not all games are played on a Sunday and the season itself is only a couple of months. That only covers the NFL as well, so you’d need to spend more on other packages and midweek games. The price per game gets very high as there aren’t that many in a season. Given that you’ve lived in the Middle East, what do you think that the Saudi’s will do with tv deals? I’d imagine they’ll try and keep it low for a while and then start to ramp it up when they feel that they have a hardcore base. even when i lived there nobody went to see the teams play, premier league was and is king with these places, i never saw anybody in an Al Ain replica shirt in Dubai but Man City shirts were everywhere, the locals who came too watch sport in the bars didnt talk about the local teams only the english teams all these teams are is expensive train sets too rich arabs, they have more money than we can ever imagine and if it goes nowhere then they dont care! i myself dont ever see the day i sit down too watch Al Ain of UAE vs Al-Hejaz of Saudi Arabia a few years back BT sport in the UK got the rights too show select non league games and after a breif flurry in the first few weeks nobody watched it anymore
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jun 19, 2023 14:23:14 GMT
Looking to diversify away from oil as it slowly becomes less relevant and move into the 'religion' of global sport. Isn’t the oil beginning to dry up around the globe’s oil wells? Electric is starting to gain momentum. With a combination of electric taking a large share of the automobile market and less oil to suck out of the ground, won’t Saudi monetary power just collapse like a pack of cards? Oil is one of those topics where you can find a likely convincing argument either way depending on who has the self-interest. I don't believe there's a chance of oil reserves running out any time soon.
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