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Post by jokker on May 8, 2023 17:40:53 GMT
Then the club "goes" next... Does it? There’s no light at the tunnel as things stand so what difference would it make? Stoke City will cease to exist...I think that will make an unhappy difference to a lot of people.
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Post by Trouserdog on May 8, 2023 17:42:12 GMT
Then the club "goes" next... Does it? There’s no light at the tunnel as things stand so what difference would it make? The owners are going nowhere, and if they did we'd be up shit creek without a paddle. As clueless as they are at running a club, they're never going to let us go out of business or be short of investment. No-one else is going to buy us- it's pointless even discussing it. The best we can hope for is they appoint someone competent to oversee the entire operation and stay well in the background away from any important decisions. There's more light at the end of the tunnel now than there's been for a couple of seasons because we have money to spend and a clean(ish) slate to start building from. It's no way to run a modern club, but the 'give the manager some money and hope he buys some good players' approach can work if you have a manager who has an eye for a player.
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Post by gawa on May 8, 2023 17:43:34 GMT
Last summer after winning the play offs with Sunderland, he signed players and prepared for the season. Those players got into the play offs today So he knows how to sign good players However, he left Sunderland to come to Stoke, because he thought the Sunderland board hadn’t supported him enough in the summer window (Plus a few bob more in salary I guess) Stoke’s board basically gave him a free shot this season and said, “don’t worry, next summer, you can have a war chest to spend” I’m not sure we should do another Rowett and give him the money I think that's the irony of it. The fact one of his reasons for leaving Sunderland was due to the signings as he wanted experienced players and they signed youth Instead. Had he got the players he wanted maybe they wouldn't have reached the playoffs. Mowbray has done a fantastic job though. Especially considering he's done it without Ross Stewart too who had scored 40 goals since the beginning of last season.
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Post by danceswithclams on May 8, 2023 17:52:43 GMT
Does it? There’s no light at the tunnel as things stand so what difference would it make? The owners are going nowhere, and if they did we'd be up shit creek without a paddle. As clueless as they are at running a club, they're never going to let us go out of business or be short of investment. No-one else is going to buy us- it's pointless even discussing it. The best we can hope for is they appoint someone competent to oversee the entire operation and stay well in the background away from any important decisions. This is the stark reality and also the reason that, after 30 odd years schlepping round home and away*,I'm done. They're never going to admit their shortcomings and put in place the structure the club needs to progress so what is there to look forward to? More of the same beige slop and bumming around the lower divisions for another quarter of a century? Fuck that - I'll be on the golf course. *I type this whilst stood in a pissy vestibule on a packed, expensive and downright unpleasant train on my way back from Watford, tired, massively fucked off and £100+ lighter
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Post by silsdenstokie on May 8, 2023 18:00:43 GMT
Last 7, lost 5 (including 4 at home), drew 2, 3 goals scored. Played no teams in the top 8 and only one that coukd be considered half decent (albion). That is sackabale form if ever you saw it.
Still, if they sacked him theyd probably only bring some other numpty in so probs best sticking for now
I fear a history repeat though (bad start next season and hes out by October leaving us back to square 1)
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on May 8, 2023 18:05:16 GMT
Sack him…. And then what? Someone else is going to have to come in, spend a few weeks looking at the squad in pre season, bring in his own coaching set up, identify players he wants, it’s all going to take time and set us back even further. At least Alex knows what kind of players he needs and knows who he wants to get rid of.
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Post by roylandstoke on May 8, 2023 18:06:49 GMT
He will be given resources to create a winning squad. That squad will get 8-10 games to win and establish themselves as promotion contenders. If we are bottom half in October the crowd will turn, as he has no good will in the bank to get him through hard times.
He took an average championship squad and made it much worse. He has made players, who looked Championship level before he arrived, into players who would be lucky to get a game in League 1. To finish on 53 points in a very, very poor division is shocking and would have resulted in the sack anywhere else.
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Post by bubbleblower on May 8, 2023 18:11:04 GMT
I hope not
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Post by stokiesteve on May 8, 2023 18:13:00 GMT
Personally I’m right behind him.
I think I know where he wants the team to be and the players he is looking for.
I like how he talks. He is very knowledgeable and thinks a lot about the game, the club and the fans.
He’s proven he is capable. This season has been transitional but this time that transition is in the right direction in my view. Would rather remember it for Coventry away than Coventry at home. I believe he will buy well and I believe him when he says he will sort it. He’s a canny clever bloke and doesn’t show his hand. He knows what he wants and I believe he knows how to get it as well. We’ll see I suppose.
I have a gut feeling we’ll be pushing for the playoffs next season.
Keep the faith and positivity if you can. Chopping managers hasn’t worked for us. We have a proven manager with a plan and who knows what he wants.
It’s a cliche, but give him more time would be my plea to the doubters.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 8, 2023 18:14:51 GMT
Does it? There’s no light at the tunnel as things stand so what difference would it make? The owners are going nowhere, and if they did we'd be up shit creek without a paddle. As clueless as they are at running a club, they're never going to let us go out of business or be short of investment. No-one else is going to buy us- it's pointless even discussing it. The best we can hope for is they appoint someone competent to oversee the entire operation and stay well in the background away from any important decisions. There's more light at the end of the tunnel now than there's been for a couple of seasons because we have money to spend and a clean(ish) slate to start building from. It's no way to run a modern club, but the 'give the manager some money and hope he buys some good players' approach can work if you have a manager who has an eye for a player. Why would we? There’s none. The only hope for this club is being sold.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 18:27:42 GMT
Is Boskamp available?
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Post by mrrine on May 8, 2023 18:37:40 GMT
The owners are going nowhere, and if they did we'd be up shit creek without a paddle. As clueless as they are at running a club, they're never going to let us go out of business or be short of investment. No-one else is going to buy us- it's pointless even discussing it. The best we can hope for is they appoint someone competent to oversee the entire operation and stay well in the background away from any important decisions. There's more light at the end of the tunnel now than there's been for a couple of seasons because we have money to spend and a clean(ish) slate to start building from. It's no way to run a modern club, but the 'give the manager some money and hope he buys some good players' approach can work if you have a manager who has an eye for a player. Why would we? There’s none. The only hope for this club is being sold. ...To whom exactly? Would being Saudi-owned sit well with you? Because I'd just stop at that point I think. As others have mentioned on various threads today - someone who knows football being answerable to the owners on performance / hiring managers / players etc would be the most sensible approach. For all the painful failiures over the last 7 years or so, you have to balance that against the successes. (Plus most people in the game tend to speak highly of them.) Seems to me a structural change to buffer the decision making with some actual industry specific expertise is the way forward. Flogging the club willy-nilly because we've got yet another cack manager that can't work out a formation that suits the players, or even appropriately bring in replacements is baby and bathwater.
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Post by swampySCFC on May 8, 2023 18:46:09 GMT
Folk had Huddersfield written off at rock bottom with a load of shit players. Level on points with Stoke at the end whilst Neil has extracted fuck all out of his players in the same period. Should donate his wages to Macaris charity
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Post by iamstokie on May 8, 2023 19:18:03 GMT
It's extraordinarily hard to come up with any positives by keeping Neil in the hot-seat. As I've mentioned before, most clubs in this division would be saying "ta-ra" after the latest stagnant run of games. Let's check those results again, we've lost to Wigan, QPR, Bristol City and WBA at HOME and barely registered any shot worthy of the name against Brum. It's a disaster and if Neil is the man for the job then I'm scratching my head trying to understand how shit it actually has to get before he's shown the door. I'm sure he'll be given the summer to buy a load of players, we'd better hope and pray that this at least goes well. Otherwise, maps to Cambridge might be needed. Go on holiday it’s you who needs the holiday you deluded tool
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Post by march4 on May 8, 2023 20:18:18 GMT
There really is some hysteria on this thread about a few dead rubbers.
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Post by jeycov on May 8, 2023 20:24:49 GMT
He secured some capable loans in January Would we have been better off keeping Souttar? FFP ?
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Post by cheadlepotter on May 8, 2023 20:35:37 GMT
He secured some capable loans in January Would we have been better off keeping Souttar? FFP ? Selling Souttar was fine, we got good money for him. Replacing him with someone who we were going to be lucky to get 50% of the remaining games out of, which ended up being 4, wasn’t.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 8, 2023 20:36:48 GMT
There really is some hysteria on this thread about a few dead rubbers. We’ve been over this numerous times they weren’t dead rubbers.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on May 8, 2023 20:38:17 GMT
That football we played during that excellent patch was absolutely superb, I’m really pissed off but I want to see what he can do with his own players. I think (hope) he’ll come good.
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Post by Pugsley on May 8, 2023 20:42:35 GMT
Personally I’m right behind him. I think I know where he wants the team to be and the players he is looking for. I like how he talks. He is very knowledgeable and thinks a lot about the game, the club and the fans. He’s proven he is capable. This season has been transitional but this time that transition is in the right direction in my view. Would rather remember it for Coventry away than Coventry at home. I believe he will buy well and I believe him when he says he will sort it. He’s a canny clever bloke and doesn’t show his hand. He knows what he wants and I believe he knows how to get it as well. We’ll see I suppose. I have a gut feeling we’ll be pushing for the playoffs next season. Keep the faith and positivity if you can. Chopping managers hasn’t worked for us. We have a proven manager with a plan and who knows what he wants. It’s a cliche, but give him more time would be my plea to the doubters. He's not proven he's capable at all. He's been garbage. We should have got Mowbray in, a far better manager who would have come for the opportunity and not the pay packet. What a shitshow.
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Post by gingerninja on May 8, 2023 20:47:02 GMT
He certainly isn't a clown. Yes the season has been undoubtedly disappointing, but in spells we have been very good, just not for long enough. I think next season we will be there or there abouts.
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Post by blackpoolred on May 8, 2023 20:52:56 GMT
The alternative would be another dour British no-hoper clown that we would probably have to google to know who the f^ck they were.
He has shown some signs and we have played some of our best football for a while under him, we have also played some appalling stuff and I know getting 2 points and 2 goals from the last 7 games is about as bad as it gets and does not help his cause - but still think he just about worth a shot though - given the circumstances and who our owners could potentially employ there really is nothing to lose
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Post by chigstoke on May 8, 2023 20:54:23 GMT
There really is some hysteria on this thread about a few dead rubbers. It's going on for season upon season now March, you cannot possibly deny it. It's fact. Alex Neil has had nearly a full season to do something with this team, he's failed miserably. His PPG have been 1.15 I think. We've won 1 in 10. After the 4-0 win at Coventry, the form sheet reads as follows LDLLDLL It's absolutely pathetic, and reeks of a club who are only going to get relegated next season. I don't give a flying fuck if we had nothing to play for. It's been the PERFECT time to stamp a style of play on how he wants Stoke City to play, a perfect time to start showing us what he's capable of, and what we can look forward to next season. All we have to look forward to now is the same old shit, week in and week out. It gets harder and harder to find any justifiable reason to keep this man at the helm, aside from the financial aspect of sacking him. And I can't watch us get 6 games into a season again, play shit and decide we want rid. We either get rid now, or we take what now feels like the biggest risk of them all and back him to the hilt in Summer, which could be make or break this time round.
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Post by tosh on May 8, 2023 21:00:21 GMT
That football we played during that excellent patch was absolutely superb, I’m really pissed off but I want to see what he can do with his own players. I think (hope) he’ll come good. The Sunderland supporter “Haway” who posts on here has said that Neill did not choose his own players there. It was reported that he wanted more experienced players and was unhappy with the young lower cost squad that was foisted on him and that was one of the reasons he wanted to come to Stoke. He has recently said he is not in the market for expensive proven championship players who’ve scored twenty goals in a season because everyone will know about them. So what is he in the market for and how long will he be prepared to wait for them to come good? Let’s hope it works out and his judgment is shrewd. With so many signings required it would be disastrous for the club if this next window went wrong.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on May 8, 2023 21:07:09 GMT
We’ve been scraping around for a team lately. Tuanzebe not available, Willmott injured, Smallbone on his way back home, Powell seemingly leaving, Brown injured, Hoever not around. At least Sarkic was back today but we’ve had weeks of Bonham. It’s a mess but will be less of one come August. However, as much as we need ability, we desperately need character in our team and I’ll be looking very carefully at who Neil thinks fits the bill. .
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Post by peterthornesboots on May 8, 2023 21:31:13 GMT
There really is some hysteria on this thread about a few dead rubbers. Have all of the last 10 games been dead-rubber? Because that is nearly a quarter of a season and we have only won once in that time. Out of the last seven games we have scored three times and have been playing against pretty meagre opposition. The fact that Huddersfield, who had one foot on League 1 when Neil Warnock was appointed, have managed to finish on the same points tally as us says an awful lot about our current trajectory.
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Post by fortressbritannia on May 8, 2023 21:47:43 GMT
In fairness to Neil, I have less questions then I did this time last year under MON.
I feel Neil had a plan as to whether he'll execute it is another matter
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on May 8, 2023 21:48:12 GMT
Must admit it looks like it, God help us. Has he not played a significant part in helping Sunderland to get where they are?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 8, 2023 21:51:15 GMT
In fairness to Neil, I have less questions then I did this time last year under MON. I feel Neil had a plan as to whether he'll execute it is another matter What’s the plan? It seems to be to run a lot and hope for the best? And if that doesn’t work……shit.
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Post by peterthornesboots on May 8, 2023 21:54:20 GMT
Must admit it looks like it, God help us. Has he not played a significant part in helping Sunderland to get where they are? In terms of getting them promoted? Yes. In terms of building the team? Probably not. Sunderland have a very different structure and philosophy when it comes to transfers. I think the crux of it is that they look to buy young players that have a resale value. One of the reasons why AN left was because the club did not want to let him purchase more experienced players. Tony Mowbray has done a fantastic job to be fair to him.
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