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Post by Silkystoke on May 8, 2023 16:11:53 GMT
Sack him now… this will not change
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Post by thehartshillbadger on May 8, 2023 16:12:40 GMT
I wouldn't let this clown buy me a lollipop! I wouldn’t let any clown buy me a lollipop, bit creepy
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Post by sticky on May 8, 2023 16:12:42 GMT
Every season there’s an excuse regardless of who’s in charge.. Patience is very thin, if we don’t hit the ground running next season, the crowd will turn and the cycle repeated. Nows the time to either back him or sack him
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Post by cheadlepotter on May 8, 2023 16:13:35 GMT
Nothing he does bodes well does it? The owners have to go first. The idiot of the family doesn’t have a clue. We’re now going into the summer with a bad manager and every club knowing we have money to spend thanks to the idiot bragging about it during our little run in March. So a bad manager overpaying for players. £8m for Ashley Barnes on a two year contract on £30k a week and scrambling for a few players on loan at the end of August.
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Post by Trouserdog on May 8, 2023 16:14:59 GMT
The prospect of Neil building his own team after the season we've just had does fill me with concern.
However, I just don't know what the alternative is. If we sack him and his entourage now, we're starting from scratch again, and have a squad of about 10 or 11 mostly poor-quality players. We'd be wasting valuable time in getting a new man, his backroom staff, drawing up another list of targets, evaluating the futures of players out of contract etc...we'd be halfway through June before we were in a position to sign anyone. We simply can't afford to waste any time in recruitment this summer. There'll be a list of targets that Neil and Ricky Martin have compiled over the last few months, and we need to be on it right away in getting them into the building as early as we can.
The players he brought in this season were, on the whole, a lot better than what he inherited, and formation-wise, he does seem to be a 4-3-3 man, which is the template he'll surely recruit around. That at least gives me some hope that if he can bring in his own players and get them playing the way he wants to play, next season might be a significant improvement on the dross we've seen this year. I'm not saying I think he's a great manager, but I don't know what anyone else could have realistically done with the unbalanced, half-arsed rabble he inherited from O'Neil. In fact, I'd argue that he's done a reasonable job in steering them to safety because that squad he inherited was absolutely rancid.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 16:15:18 GMT
He hasn't got any wingers I suppose, the squad is absolute dog dirt too. It's not his fault we have a back two of Jags and Fox, it's not his fault Tymon can't play in a back four, it's not his fault we have no wingers, it's not his fault we don't really have strikers. I do think he's capable of getting a team to press and my instinct is he is going to want us to sign some pacey and athletic players (something we have cried out for since about 2014...) Ultimately, not much point sacking him now, I wouldn't be shocked if we're 16th this time next year though frankly and until we get a DOF or someone permanent in the hierarchy with a wider vision for the football going forward it's unlikely to change. “It's not his fault we have a back two of Jags and Fox, it's not his fault Tymon can't play in a back four, it's not his fault we have no wingers, it's not his fault we don't really have strikers.” He sold Souttar and replaced him with a crock. He loaned out DWP and replaced him with a player he had even less interest in playing. He got rid of Delap and failed to replace him. That was his window. Souttar hasn't done great at Leicester, that's looking a decent deal really... DWP and Delap have done the square route of fuck all since then so no real loss there. He did get in Pearson and Hoever who've been pretty decent? Bit harsh to knock his window when he'd only just arrived and had no pot to piss in.
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Post by dirtygary69 on May 8, 2023 16:15:36 GMT
Our worst season since 02/03. After all the bravado and bollocks, that is pretty shameful. You can’t promise so much and end up delivering that, post Easter. He’s now on borrowed time going into next season as far as I’m concerned. We have to hit the ground running, or sack him.
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Post by s7oke on May 8, 2023 16:16:08 GMT
I wouldn't let this clown buy me a lollipop! I wouldn’t let any clown buy me a lollipop, bit creepy Not even Nello ?
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Post by cheadlepotter on May 8, 2023 16:16:10 GMT
Every season there’s an excuse regardless of who’s in charge.. Patience is very thin, if we don’t hit the ground running next season, the crowd will turn and the cycle repeated. Nows the time to either back him or sack him We won’t hit the ground running. “Players need to gel” etc. Stoke fans love excuses.
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Post by FrankButcher on May 8, 2023 16:17:13 GMT
It’s same shit different season the vicious circle will continue to spin AN will be heavily backed we’ll underperform as usual he’ll get sacked then another manager will be brought in he’ll hide behind the fact it’s not his squad we’ll yet again get another rebuild rinse and repeat sadly the owners have not shown their willingness to change and adapt in the modern game they keep doing the same stuff hoping for a different result absolutely insane it’s time they were brought under scrutiny it’s lower mid table or a relegation scrap next season hope I’m wrong.
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Post by chuckrocky on May 8, 2023 16:18:22 GMT
This thread is going to look very silly when Connor Wickham, Dan Gosling and Junior Hoilett are unveiled next week.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 8, 2023 16:19:20 GMT
They got him to sign a 3-yr deal and jump ship from Sunderland on the basis of the flexibility of this summer.
And if he goes, we're on the hook for how many million?
John's been fixated by Neil for years, and realistically they're going to give him enough rope to hang himself, aren't they?
There is some mitigation, but there's definitely a lot of clubs that would be waving him on his way tonight
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Post by cvillestokie on May 8, 2023 16:20:07 GMT
“It's not his fault we have a back two of Jags and Fox, it's not his fault Tymon can't play in a back four, it's not his fault we have no wingers, it's not his fault we don't really have strikers.” He sold Souttar and replaced him with a crock. He loaned out DWP and replaced him with a player he had even less interest in playing. He got rid of Delap and failed to replace him. That was his window. Souttar hasn't done great at Leicester, that's looking a decent deal really... DWP and Delap have done the square route of fuck all since then so no real loss there. He did get in Pearson and Hoever who've been pretty decent? Bit harsh to knock his window when he'd only just arrived and had no pot to piss in. That’s not quite what you said though. We had two players here that could have done a job. I hated Delap, thought he is crap. However, he had the window to replace his salary. That was a window after a World Cup break as well. Souttar would have been infinitely better than what we have. However, we should have got rid. It was on AN that we didn’t replace him though. We obviously felt that biscuit back was adequate and look where that has taken us. He arrived at the end of the first window. He had months to see the issues in the squad and get them sorted. That’s his job.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 16:21:56 GMT
He's got no room for manoeuvre. He's boxed himself in, with the way he's run the team last few months. Ditch him now?
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Post by insideright on May 8, 2023 16:22:42 GMT
Now is the time to get rid!! A new manager doesn't have to assess the squad because there isn't one, just get on with building one from scratch (nobody has ever done it successfully!) We will get relegated next year, of that I have no doubt!
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on May 8, 2023 16:23:31 GMT
The squad is a complete and utter mess. Irrelevant of who the manager is, I can't see how we build a competitive squad for next season given we have about 8 players under contract and half of them you'd want nowhere near the squad!
For what it's worth, I'd keep Neil and I'm 100% certain that we will.
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Post by generationex on May 8, 2023 16:23:57 GMT
I can’t be arsed to research it, but did AN buy many of the current Sunderland team?
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Post by sportsman on May 8, 2023 16:31:14 GMT
One good thing. We didn't carry on the form from the Coventry game as at least we can fuck the vast majority of the squad off now
Are you lot saying you wouldn't have potter now as he's failed miserably with an unbelievable amount of money and players yet took Brighton to new heights when there?
The new Brighton guy has carried on potters work with the same players as has Mobray at Sunderland. AN got Sunderland up and started the season really well so they'd probably be up there anyway or who's to say not even higher.
Jones left Luton and the new guy took it and carried it on.
With probably our worst squad for years we've had more possession, more shots, more passes completed in most the season I'd guess.
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Post by s7oke on May 8, 2023 16:34:08 GMT
This thread is going to look very silly when Connor Wickham, Dan Gosling and Junior Hoilett are unveiled next week. Please don’t tempt fate
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Post by FrankButcher on May 8, 2023 16:35:55 GMT
The squad is a complete and utter mess. Irrelevant of who the manager is, I can't see how we build a competitive squad for next season given we have about 8 players under contract and half of them you'd want nowhere near the squad! For what it's worth, I'd keep Neil and I'm 100% certain that we will. When a club has a scatter gun approach to recruiting players and there’s no recruitment philosophy in place it’s quite easy for a squad to be in such a mess let’s we say wanted to play a possession based style you’d recruit for that style and then in turn recruit managers who believe in and play that way we haven’t got a clue what our identity is as a club you could argue we have not had a long term vision since TP left MH couldn’t sustain his Spanish Armada and that collapsed genuinely don’t know what it’ll take before we question the owners and their way of running a club.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on May 8, 2023 16:37:04 GMT
Sunderland laughing their cocks off at us.
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Post by cvillestokie on May 8, 2023 16:37:54 GMT
One good thing. We didn't carry on the form from the Coventry game as at least we can fuck the vast majority of the squad off now Are you lot saying you wouldn't have potter now as he's failed miserably with an unbelievable amount of money and players yet took Brighton to new heights when there? The new Brighton guy has carried on potters work with the same players as has Mobray at Sunderland. AN got Sunderland up and started the season really well so they'd probably be up there anyway or who's to say not even higher. Jones left Luton and the new guy took it and carried it on. With probably our worst squad for years we've had more possession, more shots, more passes completed in most the season I'd guess. Has anyone said that they wouldn’t have Graham Potter? Obviously he would be the first round pick but he’s so far out of our league. We may as well approach Ancelotti.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 8, 2023 16:39:36 GMT
The squad is a complete and utter mess. Irrelevant of who the manager is, I can't see how we build a competitive squad for next season given we have about 8 players under contract and half of them you'd want nowhere near the squad! For what it's worth, I'd keep Neil and I'm 100% certain that we will. When a club has a scatter gun approach to recruiting players and there’s no recruitment philosophy in place it’s quite easy for a squad to be in such a mess let’s we say wanted to play a possession based style you’d recruit for that style and then in turn recruit managers who believe in and play that way we haven’t got a clue what our identity is as a club you could argue we have not had a long term vision since TP left MH couldn’t sustain his Spanish Armada and that collapsed genuinely don’t know what it’ll take before we question the owners and their way of running a club. I think the best thing we can say is that the strategy in theory should be less scattergun this summer in terms of recruitment. Neil I think knows what he wants and will recruit to fit the system he wants to play.
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Post by loosestools on May 8, 2023 16:40:26 GMT
Sunderland laughing their cocks off at us. And I hope AN is listening!
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Post by mickstupp on May 8, 2023 16:42:57 GMT
I can see next seasons excuses already.
Too big of a turnover More time needed to for the squad to gel Things will be better the following season.
Fuck off
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Post by greenhoff on May 8, 2023 16:46:32 GMT
I can see next seasons excuses already. Too big of a turnover, more time needed to for the squad to gel, things will be better the following season. Fuck off. He's already laying the foundations with some of his comments. Talks a good game does Alex
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Post by loosestools on May 8, 2023 16:47:22 GMT
I want to be at his annual appraisal. I would be professional and not rude - if you get my drift.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2023 16:48:25 GMT
Very Stoke that we nicked Sunderland’s manager and his cheapo replacement got them into the playoffs while we finished 10 places below them. Other side of the coin, you could argue that AN tee’d it up for him.
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Post by metalhead on May 8, 2023 16:49:25 GMT
Ultimately, it was a dead rubber game. He needs a full summer. We stayed up, which I really wasn't expecting a few months ago.
Next season is the acid test. My prediction? More lower mid-table wilderness.
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Post by theoptimist on May 8, 2023 16:50:05 GMT
Just listening to him on P&G. Doesn't sound like a man under pressure at all. The abject dross that's been served up is acceptable to the hierarchy of this club. No urgency and desire to improve. They're taking the piss.
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