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Post by teanstoke on Apr 24, 2023 18:31:14 GMT
Well during this season he has not impressed me AN I talk of , but he now has is time to shine as he has money and choose his own players so for me if we are not top six at Xmas he should go. I hope he proves me wrong !, what do you think.
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Post by Fred Merger on Apr 24, 2023 18:38:26 GMT
He will have a full pre season, probably a decent amount of money to spend and will need to get off to a decent start. I don't think he will have to be top 6 or so but he certainly needs to be in the top half. He won't be able to say they are not his players next season. He needs to win more games for sure.
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Post by Block 26 on Apr 24, 2023 18:41:23 GMT
At least the duration of next season. Unless he majority messes up in the summer transfer window & we find ourselves sitting bottom of the league 10-15 games in which is unlikely.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 24, 2023 18:43:24 GMT
I think this is destined for the shit bin.
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Post by stonecoldstokie on Apr 24, 2023 19:03:24 GMT
Personally I don’t think he has enough stock in the bank to last long if we start poorly next season but the thought of spending millions on players that then flop, followed by another sacking and another rebuild under a new manager leaves me feeling very empty & flat
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Post by bloodtypered on Apr 24, 2023 21:10:51 GMT
Bin
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Post by senojbor on Apr 24, 2023 21:25:08 GMT
I've passed caring. We are light years away from promotion. Luton for instance have 25 more points
When you think about it we are a disgrace
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 24, 2023 21:30:46 GMT
This is a shit bin job tbh but we have to give him the full season unless something absolutely catastrophic happens.
In the championship, 3 on the bounce gets you in contention even if you haven’t won in 6. It’s mental🤷🏻♂️
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Post by senojbor on Apr 25, 2023 9:49:06 GMT
This is a shit bin job tbh but we have to give him the full season unless something absolutely catastrophic happens. In the championship, 3 on the bounce gets you in contention even if you haven’t won in 6. It’s mental🤷🏻♂️ It won't matter whoever is the manager. The club has zero ambition. If you look at our long history we have always under achieved. No league titles, no FA wins to show for it. The last really successful owner was Albert Henshall in our golden era, he appointed Waddo, brought back Matthews and got promotion. Apart from appointing Pulis, Coates has consistently made mistakes. He was run out of town after the defeat at home against Brum. He never let go though and now the club is run by his son who is totally clueless, in fact, hard to believe worse than his father considering how rich they are. Filling the squad with washed out aging players is about as good as it gets. Hardly rocket science is it. |
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Post by nott1 on Apr 25, 2023 11:11:00 GMT
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Post by boothenender on Apr 25, 2023 11:13:36 GMT
I am a life long sufferer of Stoke City.
I have seen a hell of a lot worse and a hell of a lot better than we are seeing presently.
I have only attended 5 home games this season, probably the lowest ever in my 55 years of following Stoke City.
I have seen too many false dawns before.
Alex Neil seems to be another out of work in work Manager who promises a lot but delivers little.
He has got 6 months to show us what he has to offer the longest suffering fans in the English football league.
If there is not a massive improvement on what is being served up to the paying customers at Stoke City he should be shown the door.
I do not have much faith in AN and i sincerley hope he proves me wrong.
Lets see where we sre at when mid season comes.
I wait with fingers crossed for a bit of sunshine on these shit stormy cloudy days.
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Post by lordb on Apr 25, 2023 11:32:06 GMT
I am a life long sufferer of Stoke City. I have seen a hell of a lot worse and a hell of a lot better than we are seeing presently. I have only attended 5 home games this season, probably the lowest ever in my 55 years of following Stoke City. I have seen too many false dawns before. Alex Neil seems to be another out of work in work Manager who promises a lot but delivers little. He has got 6 months to show us what he has to offer the longest suffering fans in the English football league. If there is not a massive improvement on what is being served up to the paying customers at Stoke City he should be shown the door. I do not have much faith in AN and i sincerley hope he proves me wrong. Lets see where we sre at when mid season comes. I wait with fingers crossed for a bit of sunshine on these shit stormy cloudy that days. 6 months from now? That's end September which is probably unfair especially given high turnover of players 6 months into the season is perhaps too long? Need to be demonstrably better by October break and at least pushing towards play offs before the Xmas period? |
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Apr 25, 2023 11:43:29 GMT
I am prepared to give Neil time but he has a mountain to climb regarding getting in the players we need to make a realistic challenge.
What pisses me off is the way other clubs appoint new managers & get a big turnaround in results so quick why not us.
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Apr 25, 2023 11:51:08 GMT
I am prepared to give Neil time but he has a mountain to climb regarding getting in the players we need to make a realistic challenge. What pisses me off is the way other clubs appoint new managers & get a big turnaround in results so quick why not us. Some of our players are spineless, or toss, or sometimes a combination of the two. |
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 25, 2023 12:15:59 GMT
The question is, are we confident AN has shown enough that he can be trusted with our once in a blue moon war chest this summer? Apart from that 5 game spell where we were brilliant, we've been pretty shit. And I personally think AN should have got a lot more out of this squad then he has done. I find his all or nothing high press game with no Plan B quite concerning.
I'm very much on the fence. I'm not calling for his head but if we binned Neil tomorrow, I wouldn't be unhappy.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 25, 2023 12:19:03 GMT
I am prepared to give Neil time but he has a mountain to climb regarding getting in the players we need to make a realistic challenge. What pisses me off is the way other clubs appoint new managers & get a big turnaround in results so quick why not us. Statistically they don't. It's an issue of perception - the ones that stick in the memory are the ones that do well - overall teams either continue in the same vein as they did under the previous manager or get worse. Generally if a squad is underperforming a manager can turn a team round but if there is deep rooted issues with the squad it the club then they can't. The manager just usually ends up being the fall guy for deeper rooted issues. In our case successive managers have inherited a dysfunctional squad from our Premiership days and the financial issues that come along with not making am immediate return to the Premiership. The club has been too fucked up for any manager to make that much difference. Blaming the lack of a new manager bounce just ignores the real underlying cause of where we have been at as a club since relegation. |
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Post by dirtclod on Apr 25, 2023 14:08:49 GMT
I will defer to the experience of those of you who have gone through this before.
(Not the last 7 years, where we allegedly "rebuild" each season with a new manager and a new line of bullshit)
It feels different this time as AN seems to know what he wants - but it also makes me nervous.
We have a hell of a lot of out-of-contract players!
Do we have enough to rebuild and stay within Financial Foul Play?
Sorry, just can't see all that happening in one window. Last I checked, we weren't magicians, sorcerers or the top draw of the league for players.
I'll be happy with simple improvement, because this certainly could go the other way.
Somebody identified multiple good players in that January window, my hope is for that to continue.
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Post by nott1 on Apr 25, 2023 15:10:48 GMT
As a club,and with the support available, we should have been right up there this season in a league of 90% mediocrity. It has been a real let down and the players and manager bear the responsibility. Shame on them!
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Post by skip on Apr 25, 2023 15:15:43 GMT
All we had to do was not screw up the last three or four fixtures and we would be in with a shout of the play offs. Not that we'd deserve to over the course of the season, but the only league table that matters in the one after the last match is played Brian.
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 25, 2023 15:24:55 GMT
I expect us to challenge for the playoffs every season. If we finish bottom half again next season, he has to go. Short of that, I don’t see it being likely that we will entertain getting rid early.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 25, 2023 15:34:41 GMT
If we’re not looking like by October there will be big calls to sack him.
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 25, 2023 15:42:43 GMT
If we’re not looking like by October there will be big calls to sack him. It'll be too late by then. Money will have been spent and more underperforming players on the books we're stuck with who nobody else will buy. This is our Mark Hughes moment - do we stick and hope he can build on those five exemplary games, or do we take stock and consider that a flash in the pan of a very mediocre season and get rid now? |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 25, 2023 15:46:01 GMT
If we’re not looking like by October there will be big calls to sack him. It'll be too late by then. Money will have been spent and more underperforming players on the books we're stuck with who nobody else will buy. This is our Mark Hughes moment - do we stick and hope he can build on those five exemplary games, or do we take stock and consider that a flash in the pan of a very mediocre season and get rid now? If we get rid now, then what? Pay off him, pay off Martin, and then... |
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Post by sealion100 on Apr 25, 2023 16:03:38 GMT
Sounds to me like everyone has just about run out of patience with
OUR club , well the team at least
Next season we do well (top six)- Dramatic
We spend 30-40 million and finish mid table..... he’s gone -Dramatic
We go down having spent all the warchest.... Dramatic
Any way you cut Next season is going to be eventful...........
Already got my season ticket Can’t wait
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Post by iamstokie on Apr 25, 2023 16:08:52 GMT
the manager 😁, always makes me laugh the dicks who call for the shit bin just because they don’t agree with something |
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Post by iamstokie on Apr 25, 2023 16:11:58 GMT
It'll be too late by then. Money will have been spent and more underperforming players on the books we're stuck with who nobody else will buy. This is our Mark Hughes moment - do we stick and hope he can build on those five exemplary games, or do we take stock and consider that a flash in the pan of a very mediocre season and get rid now? If we get rid now, then what? Pay off him, pay off Martin, and then... it as all the signs of another repeat rinse repeat , he’ll have a bad start like MoN did , get the sack and we start all over again on to the next incumbent |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 25, 2023 16:13:51 GMT
If we get rid now, then what? Pay off him, pay off Martin, and then... it as all the signs of another repeat rinse repeat , he’ll have a bad start like MoN did , get the sack and we start all over again on to the next incumbent I think it's going to take an absolute disaster for him to get the sack or the crowd turning fairly venomously on him. Think he'll be given time. He's their man. |
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 25, 2023 16:14:41 GMT
If we’re not looking like by October there will be big calls to sack him. It'll be too late by then. Money will have been spent and more underperforming players on the books we're stuck with who nobody else will buy. This is our Mark Hughes moment - do we stick and hope he can build on those five exemplary games, or do we take stock and consider that a flash in the pan of a very mediocre season and get rid now? He's been here 7 months and one transfer window, how is this remotely comparable to Hughes |
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Post by iamstokie on Apr 25, 2023 16:31:08 GMT
it as all the signs of another repeat rinse repeat , he’ll have a bad start like MoN did , get the sack and we start all over again on to the next incumbent I think it's going to take an absolute disaster for him to get the sack or the crowd turning fairly venomously on him. Think he'll be given time. He's their man. so was MoN , didn’t end well for him |
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 25, 2023 16:33:01 GMT
People really need to get their expectations in line with the reality IMO. I've been as disappointed as most as to how this season has ended, and also some of the performances. I've been highly critical of Neil at times.
All that said. The turnaround in the summer is going to be huge and whilst not impossible, it is going to be very hard to hit the ground running.
On top of that, his Preston team used to regularly be in and around the bottom 6 early doors each season.
History and circumstances are pointing to a possible slow start next year so there will need to be a fair bit of patience and understanding.
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