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Post by sticky on Apr 23, 2023 6:36:17 GMT
Not quite finished yet but I’m up early and bored.. Anyway, just done a few simple categories
League position (D-) and I think that’s generous
Away from (B) Pretty good in the main, had some good away days tbf
Home form (F) It’s been shite, maybe F is a bit harsh🤔
Loan players (B) Overall they’ve been pretty good, not a particularly high bench mark set from previous seasons, but I think a B is fair
Our actual players (D-) I think without the loan players we’d be in the shit
Manager (C-) Inherited an unbalanced squad and has bought in good loan signings.. However, lots of excuses and the ups and downs of performances, I think C- is more than fair
And a quicky on the fans (B+) Excellent away following and atmosphere.. Home matches not so much, but not surprising considering how utterly shit the majority of home games are
So all in all, it’s a D from me.. be interesting to see if I’m considered generous, harsh or about right
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 23, 2023 7:05:51 GMT
Spot on.
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 23, 2023 7:10:52 GMT
All in all a very disappointing season as I see it. If I should give it a score I'd say 3/10. Players to keep for next season: Bonham, Wilmot, Fox, Taylor, Laurent, Brown and Campbell. When it comes to the loanees I'd certainly try to bring Pearson, Sterling and Sarkic in on permanent deals. Hoever could be an alternative if we can't get Sterling. Smallbone will be back at Shampton unfortunately, but easier to replace than the ones I would like to sign up anyway.  |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 23, 2023 7:26:19 GMT
League position (D) Very dissapointing when you look at who’s up there in the playoffs on the whole this is a weak division.
Away from (B) Excellent.
Home form (E) Woeful. Unable to break teams down and in the habit of conceding soft goals.
Loan players (B) AN has addressed the mess. Got rid of the ones who weren’t contributing and bought in Pearson and Hoever who have been excellent. Tuanzabe hasn’t paid off though was a gamble worth trying if no one else was available and Sarkic was just unlucky but looked good. Celina just looks poor.
Our actual players (D-) Id get shot of most of them. I’d only keep Laurent, Campbell, Fox, Wilmott, Taylor, Tezgal and maybe Brown. The others can go for differing reasons.
Of that list only Laurent and Campbell have enough quality to make the starting 11.
Manager (C) Inconsistent with some baffling substitutions at times. I think Jans loans and the 5 games showed what he’s trying to do he just doesn’t currently have the tools to make it work.
A massive clear outs needed and hopefully he can bring in who he wants in the summer.
He got unlucky with Sarkic and Tzunabe didn’t pay off but the Jan purchases with the exception of no target man shows he can see where we’re lacking quality.
And a quicky on the fans (B+) Excellent away following but we need to start playing better at home from the off to get the fans back and noisey.
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 23, 2023 7:33:41 GMT
A- promotion
B-playoffs
C-top ten fighting for playoffs
D- top half
E- bottom half but safe
U-relegation fight
In a season where Luton are 3rd, a bottom half finish is shameful.
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Apr 23, 2023 7:49:35 GMT
Out of 10 I’d give it 3, and 2 of those marks are for the Sunderland and Coventry games.
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Post by headsgoup on Apr 23, 2023 8:17:08 GMT
A complete dead rubber, made so by the indecisiveness of the board when it mattered.
Neil with a full summer transfer window and preseason, and we'd have been in the playoff picture.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 23, 2023 8:19:07 GMT
4/10
Wank
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Post by cheadlepotter on Apr 23, 2023 8:29:18 GMT
League position - D. Another bottom half finish with a large portion spent worrying about relegation.
Away form - B.
Home form - F. It really has been rather shite.
Loan players - C/D. Pearson, Hoever and Sterling very good. Smallbone good now but not first half of season. Tuanzebe, Celina and Sarkic barely featured. The returned bunch were poor signings on the whole.
Our players - D.
Manager - C. Sympathy for still not having much chance to assemble his own squad but the lack of Plan B in games is a worry. C is arguably generous.
Fans - D. Can’t comment on away games but as a season ticket holder the atmosphere at home has been poor. Not helped by the relocation of a good portion of the singing lot to the South Stand over the last couple of seasons, and they can’t get the words right to their main song. Sympathy for there not being a lot to be happy about at home though!
Overall - D
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 23, 2023 8:30:05 GMT
9/10 for the 6-week golden period.
Overall: 3
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2023 8:43:11 GMT
In a nutshell. Wank is about as good a word I can think of. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 23, 2023 8:54:53 GMT
Currently who has the best win % ratio over their tenure, MON or AN? Come on stato’s
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 23, 2023 8:59:52 GMT
Currently who has the best win % ratio over their tenure, MON or AN? Come on stato’s Who cares? MON needed to be sacked. He’s left a big mess that needs rectifying. |
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Post by iamstokie on Apr 23, 2023 9:00:38 GMT
it’s a 3 from me , not good at all and change is needed
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 23, 2023 9:09:31 GMT
A- promotion B-playoffs C-top ten fighting for playoffs D- top half E- bottom half but safe U-relegation fight In a season where Luton are 3rd, a bottom half finish is shameful. I was thinking similar to t your table if you had to set Neil a objective on his appointment i think ti would llok like this A = Truly unbelievable job B =Fantastci job c = Not bad D = Expectaion E = Poor U = abject failure On that scale and with the cost of getting him etc given he i is about to deliver the lowest points total since relegation and the roster home records it’s pretty clear his Terrie can be ate as port to abject failure , im very worried that we are about to trust hm with what could be our last big financial push if FFP ahead its way , i think. Most clubs would go for a change but this stoke and we arr stuck where we are and he will get the summer and all the firepower we can muster but after a brief upturn it’s ironically a huge risk in the face of the hard evidence tha now where in his CV is but here evidence he csn take a division by the scruff of the neck |
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 23, 2023 9:12:03 GMT
Currently who has the best win % ratio over their tenure, MON or AN? Come on stato’s Michael O'Neill had a win ratio of 38.46% Alex Neil has a win ratio of 34.1% Alex Neil won just 14 games from 41 and just 5 of those wins have come at home, 6 if you count Stevenage in the Cup. Dreadful. |
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Post by peterthornesboots on Apr 23, 2023 9:15:18 GMT
I think that people are being quite generous in terms of rating AN.
I appreciate that he inherited an inbalanced squad, but the vast majority of our performances have been very poor, disjointed, and at times difficult to fathom. Out of 40 games AN has won 14 (his lowests points per game average in his career).
We are on another bad run of results again - 1 win in the last 8. It is not exactly motivating fans to rush and buy their season tickets for next year. Apart from a couple of purple patches and flashes of form we look like a bottom half Championship team.
The away form has been decent, but ultimately if you are going to get anywhere near the play-offs then your home form needs to be the foundation that you work from. I think that we have only won 6 games at home all season or something like that.
AN needs to do one hell of a job this summer, because this team needs a massive overhaul.
Overall for the season 2/10.
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Post by nott1 on Apr 23, 2023 9:28:37 GMT
What a feckin' let down!
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Post by nott1 on Apr 23, 2023 9:31:36 GMT
Currently who has the best win % ratio over their tenure, MON or AN? Come on stato’s Who cares? MON needed to be sacked. He’s left a big mess that needs rectifying. So has AN. Unfortunately he's still here! |
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Post by Gods on Apr 23, 2023 9:32:01 GMT
In terms of the final outcome this season has been pretty much 'rinse and repeat' of the 4 seasons which preceded it.
Season dead by the end of November. We really need to make some kind of half decent start to these campaigns. Build some momentum and belief and feed off that. We can't seem to make a bloody start.
18/19 16th postition, 55 Points (Rowett/Jones) Leading Scorer Benik Afobe 9
19/20 15th postition, 56 Points (Jones/MON) Leading Scorer Sam Clucas 11
20/21 14th postition, 60 Points (MON/Covid) Leading Scorer Nick Powell 12
21/22 14th postition, 62 Points (MON) Leading Scorer Jacob Brown 14
22/23 PLAYED 44 - 16th postition, 55 Points (a bit of MON and mostly Neil) Leading Scorer Tyrese Campbell 9
However the final 2 games pan out we will have compeleted 5 Championship seasons and every time finished with between 55 and 62 points.
The very definition of mediocrity.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 23, 2023 9:44:04 GMT
Who cares? MON needed to be sacked. He’s left a big mess that needs rectifying. So has AN. Unfortunately he's still here! He hasn’t. We’ve got a sea of loanees that were needed to plug the gap and a hole left by the duds MON signed leaving hopefully. Has AN even made a permanent transfer yet? |
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Post by lordb on Apr 23, 2023 9:48:47 GMT
So has AN. Unfortunately he's still here! He hasn’t. We’ve got a sea of loanees that were needed to plug the gap and a hole left by the duds MON signed leaving hopefully. Has AN even made a permanent transfer yet? No not one Imho he has credit in the bank re the quality of the loan signings, appreciate not everyone agrees with that |
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Post by march4 on Apr 23, 2023 9:52:40 GMT
A complete dead rubber, made so by the indecisiveness of the board when it mattered. Neil with a full summer transfer window and preseason, and we'd have been in the playoff picture. Exactly and that is what we must hope for next season. What a huge summer this is. |
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Post by march4 on Apr 23, 2023 9:54:15 GMT
He hasn’t. We’ve got a sea of loanees that were needed to plug the gap and a hole left by the duds MON signed leaving hopefully. Has AN even made a permanent transfer yet? No not one Imho he has credit in the bank re the quality of the loan signings, appreciate not everyone agrees with that The quality of the loanees suggest AN knows what he is doing in the transfer market. He needs to sign almost a full squad this summer and we simply have to get it right this time. |
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Post by idle on Apr 23, 2023 10:05:11 GMT
Oatcake users: C on average, ranging from A to F (coincidentally the rating correlates perfectly with the degree of how much they agree with me)
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Post by loosestools on Apr 23, 2023 10:10:26 GMT
3/10 generally shite, odd bits of reasonableness, odd bits of ubershite.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 23, 2023 10:13:39 GMT
I'll go by the out of 10.
We were really bad in some games,average in others & really good in quite a few games since Jan.
So 5/10.
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 23, 2023 10:22:58 GMT
Nowhere near good enough out of 10.
We are in a position where we don't know if our manager is good enough either.. something I blame fully on the ownership for the bizarre timing of O'Neil's sacking. Neil was then brought in without sufficient time to effect change in the summer window or to make the structural changes that the owners always allow a manager to make.. so all we have to go on is his 'winter window' which was ok.
We really shouldn't be going into a summer rebuild with a manager that's been here a season without really knowing if he's got the tools to do the job needed.
It's a poor way to run things.
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Post by march4 on Apr 23, 2023 10:51:17 GMT
Nowhere near good enough out of 10. We are in a position where we don't know if our manager is good enough either.. something I blame fully on the ownership for the bizarre timing of O'Neil's sacking. Neil was then brought in without sufficient time to effect change in the summer window or to make the structural changes that the owners always allow a manager to make.. so all we have to go on is his 'winter window' which was ok. We really shouldn't be going into a summer rebuild with a manager that's been here a season without really knowing if he's got the tools to do the job needed. It's a poor way to run things. Sorry I disagree. The one thing we have learned this season is that we have an exceptionally good leader in the manager’s position who is tactically aware for this division and is a nimble operator in the transfer market. Is that enough? Time will tell. The rebuild we face might be too much even for a TP, Waddo combined clone (imagine Waddo with a baseball cap shouting ‘go arn Jon’). A huge summer lies ahead but the first part of 2023 has left me more optimistic than at any time since Ryan sat down on the pitch at Leicester and the decline began. |
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Post by iamstokie on Apr 23, 2023 11:15:16 GMT
Nowhere near good enough out of 10. We are in a position where we don't know if our manager is good enough either.. something I blame fully on the ownership for the bizarre timing of O'Neil's sacking. Neil was then brought in without sufficient time to effect change in the summer window or to make the structural changes that the owners always allow a manager to make.. so all we have to go on is his 'winter window' which was ok. We really shouldn't be going into a summer rebuild with a manager that's been here a season without really knowing if he's got the tools to do the job needed. It's a poor way to run things. Sorry I disagree. The one thing we have learned this season is that we have an exceptionally good leader in the manager’s position who is tactically aware for this division and is a nimble operator in the transfer market. Is that enough? Time will tell. The rebuild we face might be too much even for a TP, Waddo combined clone (imagine Waddo with a baseball cap shouting ‘go arn Jon’). A huge summer lies ahead but the first part of 2023 has left me more optimistic than at any time since Ryan sat down on the pitch at Leicester and the decline began. he’s not that good of a leader as he can’t motivate the players when needed , and his business in the transfer market is hit and miss , having so many loans they can’t get in the match day squad was a joke , having play a RB at LB isn’t ideal , and as for the Tuanzebe well that was awful business signing someone with injury |
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