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Post by spitthedog on Apr 12, 2023 15:42:03 GMT
There was a time not so long back (3/4 months?) when Wilder would have been the preference of virtually everyone on this board.
I don't think anyone could say they would have preferred Neil (not if they are being truthful anyway)
Wilder was seen as a manager guaranteed to turn this club around. How things can change in football very quickly.
What do we think now?
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Apr 12, 2023 15:48:59 GMT
Don't like Wilder myself and always preferred the cut of Neil's jib, although I was concerned early doors. His latest pronouncements about the way forward have been encouraging.
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Post by J-Roar on Apr 12, 2023 16:00:38 GMT
Always thought Wilder was up himself. Seems to fall out with everyone if he doesn't get his own way.
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Post by wembley4372 on Apr 12, 2023 16:01:03 GMT
shit bin
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Apr 12, 2023 16:16:25 GMT
Be sure to let us know what we can post about in future.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 12, 2023 16:20:38 GMT
Be sure to let us know what we can post about in future. 🤣
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Apr 12, 2023 16:23:19 GMT
Wilder is easily my least favourite manager. He's a complete pleb who got found out in the PL.
He's not fit to lace Pulis' boots in that respect, and I don't hand Pulis compliments freely.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 12, 2023 16:52:00 GMT
Don't like Wilder myself and always preferred the cut of Neil's jib, although I was concerned early doors. His latest pronouncements about the way forward have been encouraging. Think Wilder lost a lot of credibility with how it ended at Sheffield United and then his Boro stint.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 12, 2023 16:55:59 GMT
Wilder is easily my least favourite manager. He's a complete pleb who got found out in the PL. He's not fit to lace Pulis' boots in that respect, and I don't hand Pulis compliments freely. Wilder has got one of those irritating faces like a bulldog licking a pissy thistle. Mind you so has Neil but he’s our manager
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Post by scfc75 on Apr 12, 2023 17:00:37 GMT
I think Wilder… Neil… Nathan Jones… in fact most managers have proven that sometimes, shit just works for them at a particular club. They get the right players in, the formation works etc. Then they go elsewhere and it doesn’t work out. I don’t think there’s such a thing as a good manager, more that there’s a right manager for the situation.
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Post by lordb on Apr 12, 2023 17:40:18 GMT
I think Wilder… Neil… Nathan Jones… in fact most managers have proven that sometimes, shit just works for them at a particular club. They get the right players in, the formation works etc. Then they go elsewhere and it doesn’t work out. I don’t think there’s such a thing as a good manager, more that there’s a right manager for the situation. Wilder has got promotions with 3 different clubs, his record pisses on Nathan Jones
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 12, 2023 17:41:12 GMT
I think Wilder… Neil… Nathan Jones… in fact most managers have proven that sometimes, shit just works for them at a particular club. They get the right players in, the formation works etc. Then they go elsewhere and it doesn’t work out. I don’t think there’s such a thing as a good manager, more that there’s a right manager for the situation. I’d pretty much agree with that generally as in the manager has to fit the club and playing staff etc. There are clearly good and bad managers though
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Post by scfc75 on Apr 12, 2023 18:02:20 GMT
I think Wilder… Neil… Nathan Jones… in fact most managers have proven that sometimes, shit just works for them at a particular club. They get the right players in, the formation works etc. Then they go elsewhere and it doesn’t work out. I don’t think there’s such a thing as a good manager, more that there’s a right manager for the situation. Wilder has got promotions with 3 different clubs, his record pisses on Nathan Jones Makes it all the more odd then that he failed miserably at Boro, and even at Sheff Utd whatever he started out doing right went, well, wrong..
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Post by lordb on Apr 12, 2023 19:33:04 GMT
Wilder has got promotions with 3 different clubs, his record pisses on Nathan Jones Makes it all the more odd then that he failed miserably at Boro, and even at Sheff Utd whatever he started out doing right went, well, wrong.. He had cup success at Boro but yes you have to say he failed there Failing in the Premier League happens to all managers eventually
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Apr 12, 2023 19:37:59 GMT
Wilder is easily my least favourite manager. He's a complete pleb who got found out in the PL. He's not fit to lace Pulis' boots in that respect, and I don't hand Pulis compliments freely. Wilder has got one of those irritating faces like a bulldog licking a pissy thistle. Mind you so has Neil but he’s our manager Was it this season when we got a late and undeserved equaliser against Boro at home? His post match interview was delicious.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Apr 12, 2023 21:20:08 GMT
Used to rate Wilder and would have had him here at the start of the season
However he seems to have gone off the boil a bit, Boro fans cant stand him
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 12, 2023 21:25:17 GMT
Makes it all the more odd then that he failed miserably at Boro, and even at Sheff Utd whatever he started out doing right went, well, wrong.. He had cup success at Boro but yes you have to say he failed there Failing in the Premier League happens to all managers eventually Happened to him pretty quickly though. Made some catastrophic signings and one who’s quick to Chuck his players under the bus publicly at the first sign of trouble.
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Post by lordb on Apr 12, 2023 21:30:09 GMT
He had cup success at Boro but yes you have to say he failed there Failing in the Premier League happens to all managers eventually Happened to him pretty quickly though. Made some catastrophic signings and one who’s quick to Chuck his players under the bus publicly at the first sign of trouble. He had a really good season in the pl then a dissasterous second one All down hill after that however his record before he even took the Sheffield United job was excellent Definitely lots of worse managers out there The £35m+ he spent on McBurnie and the ex Liverpool and young England striker was catastrophic for him
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Post by logdog on Apr 13, 2023 6:12:29 GMT
It seems a lot of these type of managers - your Wilder’s, Jones’, Rowett’s etc, are fine until they have money to spend or have to handle the big names/egos. It will be interesting to see how Potter does in his next job as the same question marks apply to him now. Admittedly he had very little time at Chelsea & it’s a hiding to nothing of a job at this moment in time.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 13, 2023 7:36:02 GMT
As characters I’m not much for either they’re both a bit old skool. Happy with AN since the turn of the year he’s a lot less of a spoiler than I thought he was going to be.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 13, 2023 7:43:56 GMT
Thing is, few managers don't have a job that goes tits up. Ancelotti didn't really make it at Everton Paris or Bayern Munich. Guardiola's mission statement/instruction t Bayern Munich was to win the European Cup but he didn't deliver. Clough at Leeds.
A job going wrong is just part of being a manager.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Apr 13, 2023 8:47:08 GMT
Not a fan of AN, but I can't really judge the job he is doing until next season ( seems to be doing OK at the moment)
I did say 4 months ago wilder is a dinosaur and I am still saying it now. Wilder.. No thanks. Prefer to have someone I don't perticuly like AN.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 13, 2023 8:52:43 GMT
Not a fan of AN, but I can't really judge the job he is doing until next season ( seems to be doing OK at the moment) I did say 4 months ago wilder is a dinosaur and I am still saying it now. Wilder.. No thanks. Prefer to have someone I don't perticuly like AN. What is it that you've got against AN, out of interest?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 13, 2023 9:43:48 GMT
Definitely preferred Neil to Wilder although I think Wilder would have done better than Neil with the squad he inherited. Wilder has a reputation for bust ups behind the scenes - does well in the short term but things usually go wrong sooner rather than later. Neil is the better medium/long term prospect - which is what we need. Having said that the one I hoped for was Robins - better quality football than both Neil and Wilder and able to stick it out at a club without the wheels falling off.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 13, 2023 10:13:58 GMT
Thing is, few managers don't have a job that goes tits up. Ancelotti didn't really make it at Everton Paris or Bayern Munich. Guardiola's mission statement/instruction t Bayern Munich was to win the European Cup but he didn't deliver. Clough at Leeds. A job going wrong is just part of being a manager. I think folk forget this, also the Ancelotti Merseyside example may suggest it's a bit easier to bring success to a club like Real Madrid than it is at Everton. Having said that Ancelotti wasn't a complete disaster at Everton. Didn't they finish 10th? It all depends on expectations I suppose. If Real get dumped by Man City though then it will be be probably considered a failure this season for Ancelotti with Barcelona bossing La Liga. Will be interesting to see if they keep him if that happens and where he lands next. Fine margins there. Let's face it there are very few successful managers around, the very best are those that have good spells at specific clubs when it clicks.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 13, 2023 11:01:01 GMT
Thing is, few managers don't have a job that goes tits up. Ancelotti didn't really make it at Everton Paris or Bayern Munich. Guardiola's mission statement/instruction t Bayern Munich was to win the European Cup but he didn't deliver. Clough at Leeds. A job going wrong is just part of being a manager. I think folk forget this, also the Ancelotti Merseyside example may suggest it's a bit easier to bring success to a club like Real Madrid than it is at Everton. Having said that Ancelotti wasn't a complete disaster at Everton. Didn't they finish 10th? It all depends on expectations I suppose. If Real get dumped by Man City though then it will be be probably considered a failure this season for Ancelotti with Barcelona bossing La Liga. Will be interesting to see if they keep him if that happens and where he lands next. Fine margins there. Let's face it there are very few successful managers around, the very best are those that have good spells at specific clubs when it clicks. Everton are a hard club to manage. Look how well Da Silva is doing at Fulham. Yet at Everton he couldn't sustain anything. Real Madrid have one criterion for a season.... lifting big ears. But it might not save Ancelotti. It's Real Madrid, those things happen. Heynckes delivered the holy grail their first European Cup in 32 years, then got sacked the day after.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 13, 2023 11:17:00 GMT
Thing is, few managers don't have a job that goes tits up. Ancelotti didn't really make it at Everton Paris or Bayern Munich. Guardiola's mission statement/instruction t Bayern Munich was to win the European Cup but he didn't deliver. Clough at Leeds. A job going wrong is just part of being a manager. I think folk forget this, also the Ancelotti Merseyside example may suggest it's a bit easier to bring success to a club like Real Madrid than it is at Everton. Having said that Ancelotti wasn't a complete disaster at Everton. Didn't they finish 10th? It all depends on expectations I suppose. If Real get dumped by Man City though then it will be be probably considered a failure this season for Ancelotti with Barcelona bossing La Liga. Will be interesting to see if they keep him if that happens and where he lands next. Fine margins there. Let's face it there are very few successful managers around, the very best are those that have good spells at specific clubs when it clicks. Ancelotti's issues in the 2020/21 season wasn't his overall record it was their poor home form. They were terrible at Goodison as they couldn't break teams down, and they were superb on their travels with 11 wins out of 19. Sounds familiar! They were unlucky in both cups as well drawing the top two Man City and Man Utd in the later stages
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Post by wembley4372 on Apr 13, 2023 12:19:49 GMT
Be sure to let us know what we can post about in future. Just as soon as spit has stopped telling me what I have to think ('when I'm being truthful')
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Post by loosestools on Apr 13, 2023 12:26:23 GMT
Wider's eyes are too close together - a sneaky twat.
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Post by dirtclod on Apr 13, 2023 13:09:01 GMT
I was on that Wilder bandwagon after O'Neill left too. But the more I see of him, hear his remarks and inability to change tactics to match situations - no thanks. As others have pointed out, I don't like the bitching about his players when things don't go well. He seems to have grown quite the ego. Two options: 1) A public twatting to shrink the ego. Give a woman rugby-player a nice payday to do the procedure, she'd probably only have to throw one punch. 2) Take a break, read a book on self-awareness and wait for Watford's manager of the week to sneeze & get fired. Then he can fail spectacularly, get a payout and maybe someone will write a book about him.
I may be guilty of stereotyping (and/or speed-typing), but he comes across as a bloke who either has a massive skeleton in his closet or is just disingenuous by nature. And loosestools is right, his eyes are too close together. AN would take him easily in a fight, so I'll stick.
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