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Post by cousindupree on Apr 11, 2023 12:18:44 GMT
We ae desperate for a new no 9 so going forward so do we need to keep both or maybe neither. I wonder who Neil prefers? He likes Gayle's workrate but a 1 in 10 strike rate is poor and he seems to have lost the sharpness of old and shows no sign of rediscovering it. As for Powell, talented footballer and has a decent strike rate but injury prone. He's more versatile than Gayle and much more creative. If it was me I would probably keep both which gives us options up front particularly with an additional striker. Gayle still has one year left on his contract and Powell out of contract but has made noises that he wants to remain. It will be interesting how Neil uses them both in the remaining games which may give a clue as to his thoughts for the summer.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 11, 2023 12:25:39 GMT
Powell for the rest of the season then hopefully a proper centre forward with some presence and capacity to hold the ball up arrives in the summer.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 11, 2023 12:46:13 GMT
Powell.
We should do all we can to rip Gayle's contract (it won't happen obvs), he's been a terrible signing.
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Post by datguy on Apr 11, 2023 12:49:13 GMT
Does Powell deserve a new deal/will he get a new deal?
If not then play Gayle.
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Post by wagsastokie on Apr 11, 2023 12:50:20 GMT
Neither
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Post by lordb on Apr 11, 2023 14:50:01 GMT
Gayle is under contract We surely will be signing a front line striker this summer but Gayle will be used as a aquad player presumably Personally I'd be happy to offer a Powell a new deal providing it is heavily structured around appearances, and I think that's the type of contract he's going to get whichever club he ends up However can see the argument for letting him go
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Post by gingerninja on Apr 11, 2023 14:56:34 GMT
Neither are dynamic enough in a team how Neil wants to set up, that said Stewart, who I think we will buy, isn't either..I think he wants a bulldozing strong and athletic type number 9.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 11, 2023 14:58:56 GMT
Powell by absolutely miles, even if he only plays 1 game in 10, Gayle's been completely useless
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Post by pavel on Apr 11, 2023 15:15:03 GMT
Powell for me, can hold it up, put himself about and is a better header of the ball and is more likely to score.
Only till the end of the season though, we need a proper striker to lead the line or something completely different which I can’t see Neil or Stoke going for.
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Post by jokker on Apr 11, 2023 15:28:13 GMT
I don't see Powell as a number nine perpetually. His better position is slightly deeper - a perfect ten if you like. Gayle's mishitting form is the reason Powell is being tested up there, plus the manager's obscene belief that Smallbone is a genius in midfield, which has almost made Powell homeless in our team.
I'd run the risk that Powell will get injured every now and then in order to keep him here. There is still no other player who can unsettle the opposition and open it at will sometimes. There's also no other player who works so well with Campbell. Too bad we can't recall Fletcher - he's obviously too old now, but the three of them had a magic connection only a short while ago, it seems.
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Post by olias on Apr 11, 2023 15:29:42 GMT
Powell for me, until the summer, when I hope we bring in someone else. Powell is capable of doing stuff. Not always useful stuff, but when it is, it's really useful. Gayle, to me, is just waiting for the ball to bounce in off a different arse cheek. (bar one piece of brilliance)
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 11, 2023 15:31:56 GMT
Does Powell deserve a new deal/will he get a new deal? If not then play Gayle. Does Gayle warrant a place in the side?
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 11, 2023 15:49:18 GMT
Is there a third option?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 11, 2023 15:53:03 GMT
Surely the aim would be to get a better striker than both of them?
Gayle hasn't worked out but at least he's been injury free and is actually a striker. Powell's injury record means we simply cannot rely on him and he really is a makeshift striker at best - I really don't think he holds the ball up that well and he's a good header of the ball when ghosting in from deep unchallenged but really isn't very good back to goal under pressure from a centre half.
It's a false choice - if we are looking at promotion we need better.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 11, 2023 15:59:46 GMT
Surely the aim would be to get a better striker than both of them? Gayle hasn't worked out but at least he's been injury free and is actually a striker. Powell's injury record means we simply cannot rely on him and he really is a makeshift striker at best - I really don't think he holds the ball up that well and he's a good header of the ball when ghosting in from deep unchallenged but really isn't very good back to goal under pressure from a centre half. It's a false choice - if we are looking at promotion we need better. Got to agree with this. I like Powell, he's a good player whereas Gayle might have been decent but is now shot. Powell, as we all know, is injury prone. Watching Gayle on Saturday it was so obvious how finished he actually is. He won a few free kicks admittedly but that was about it. No real attacking threat, movement or link up play. If he's here next year we should be worried as it means we've not been able to recruit anyone better. I'd keep Powell on the basis that if he's not playing that regularly because we've got someone better, and is therefore fit, he should be a decent substitution option.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Apr 11, 2023 16:01:31 GMT
Powell’s played 2 games as centre forward/false 9. Was my MOTM (and others) in a 4-0 win, then scored what should have been the winner in the 2nd game, only we capitulated the second he was subbed off.
Gayle has been pound for pound one of the worst signings in recent history.
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Post by datguy on Apr 11, 2023 16:04:35 GMT
Does Powell deserve a new deal/will he get a new deal? If not then play Gayle. Does Gayle warrant a place in the side? Of course he doesn't but that doesn't say much does it? They're both not what's needed up top and they have both looked underwhelming. Different types with the same output. Nothing of note. But for sure Gayle is contracted for next season whereas Powell isn't. I'd play Gayle on that basis. Talk of playing Tezgel has dropped off since this good run of form which is a shame because he's probably better than both of them already.
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Post by jokker on Apr 11, 2023 16:40:39 GMT
Does Gayle warrant a place in the side? Of course he doesn't but that doesn't say much does it? They're both not what's needed up top and they have both looked underwhelming. Different types with the same output. Nothing of note. But for sure Gayle is contracted for next season whereas Powell isn't. I'd play Gayle on that basis. Talk of playing Tezgel has dropped off since this good run of form which is a shame because he's probably better than both of them already. These days you tend to not play a player when he's injured, and if we want a long career for Tezgel we're probably wise not to play him right now. It's different for Powell. As soon as he is half-fit he gets selected, and then is often soon back in the treatment room, because he was only half sick. It's probably his decision, the final decision, but he might have been better managed if he was not selected until he was completely free of his niggles. These days it tends to never happen.
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Post by lordb on Apr 11, 2023 16:40:58 GMT
Atm be tempted to put Laurent there
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Post by lordb on Apr 11, 2023 16:41:42 GMT
Does Gayle warrant a place in the side? Of course he doesn't but that doesn't say much does it? They're both not what's needed up top and they have both looked underwhelming. Different types with the same output. Nothing of note. But for sure Gayle is contracted for next season whereas Powell isn't. I'd play Gayle on that basis. Talk of playing Tezgel has dropped off since this good run of form which is a shame because he's probably better than both of them already. Tezgel and Lowe are injured
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Post by wearestoke80 on Apr 11, 2023 16:43:33 GMT
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 11, 2023 17:45:31 GMT
Does Powell deserve a new deal/will he get a new deal? If not then play Gayle. Does Gayle warrant a place in the side squad? It's a hard one that but on reflection probably not. MON's parting gift, thank god it's only one more season.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 11, 2023 17:53:43 GMT
Does Gayle warrant a place in the side? Of course he doesn't but that doesn't say much does it? They're both not what's needed up top and they have both looked underwhelming. Different types with the same output. Nothing of note. But for sure Gayle is contracted for next season whereas Powell isn't. I'd play Gayle on that basis. Talk of playing Tezgel has dropped off since this good run of form which is a shame because he's probably better than both of them already. Does it massively matter that Gayle is contracted for next season? Even if he is, he hopefully, if we get our window right, won’t be anywhere near the side. Powell at least looks like he has the odd goal in him.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Apr 11, 2023 18:28:58 GMT
Powell for now then get rid in the summer and 'replace' Gayle too even though we won't be able to physically get rid of him because no-one will pay him the same money. We just need someone else to play the role he's supposed to be playing and leave Gayle out of the squad barring injuries. Or send him out on loan if someone will have him.
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Post by milky on Apr 11, 2023 18:31:52 GMT
If it were one of the other Powell every time.
Ideally though we need a young version of Steven Fletcher or similar.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 11, 2023 18:41:47 GMT
I think he’ll start Powell there for most of the remainder of the season (injury permitting obviously).
Neil has a massive recruitment job in the summer, there’s no doubt about it
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 11, 2023 19:00:29 GMT
I think he’ll start Powell there for most of the remainder of the season (injury permitting obviously). Neil has a massive recruitment job in the summer, there’s no doubt about it Straight choice then Gayle for me. No argument in this set up. If we give Powell another contract we are not going to progress at all. He's an expensive luxury.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 11, 2023 19:29:34 GMT
I think he’ll start Powell there for most of the remainder of the season (injury permitting obviously). Neil has a massive recruitment job in the summer, there’s no doubt about it Straight choice then Gayle for me. No argument in this set up. If we give Powell another contract we are not going to progress at all. He's an expensive luxury. Gayle doesn’t work in this set up either. His signing was the definition of ‘expensive luxury’.
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 11, 2023 19:34:36 GMT
Straight choice then Gayle for me. No argument in this set up. If we give Powell another contract we are not going to progress at all. He's an expensive luxury. Gayle doesn’t work in this set up either. His signing was the definition of ‘expensive luxury’. Not saying he's perfect but last few outings been impressed with workrate, press and assist. Straight choice at this moment, in this team.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 11, 2023 19:37:53 GMT
Gayle doesn’t work in this set up either. His signing was the definition of ‘expensive luxury’. Not saying he's perfect but last few outings been impressed with workrate, press and assist. Straight choice at this moment, in this team. Thought he was a significant hindrance yesterday and, as he usually is, was all but invisible when we badly needed some presence in the final third. Think Powell carries more goal threat too.
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