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Post by smallthorner on Apr 11, 2023 19:43:18 GMT
Not saying he's perfect but last few outings been impressed with workrate, press and assist. Straight choice at this moment, in this team. Thought he was a significant hindrance yesterday and, as he usually is, was all but invisible when we badly needed some presence in the final third. Think Powell carries more goal threat too. I'm talking about the three or four matches when we were banging goals in and playing the best football we've seen for yonks. Gayle was good in that team and played a significant part. Much more than Powell would have in my opinion. And that's what it is of course ..opinions. Out of interest would you offer Powell a new 2/3 year contract on the same terms? |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 11, 2023 19:47:09 GMT
Thought he was a significant hindrance yesterday and, as he usually is, was all but invisible when we badly needed some presence in the final third. Think Powell carries more goal threat too. I'm talking about the three or four matches when we were banging goals in and playing the best football we've seen for yonks. Gayle was good in that team and played a significant part. Much more than Powell would have in my opinion. And that's what it is of course ..opinions. Out of interest would you offer Powell a new 2/3 year contract on the same terms? I don’t see why Powell wouldn’t have played a part in those performances tbh. Gayle’s movement is good but he doesn’t offer a lot else. I don’t think Powell quite fits how Neil wants to play so I’d probably let him go with our thanks and best wishes. Have no problem with us offering him a deal though if Neil does see a role for him. He’s clearly not integral to the current set up in the way he was to the previous one though. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 11, 2023 19:59:41 GMT
I'm talking about the three or four matches when we were banging goals in and playing the best football we've seen for yonks. Gayle was good in that team and played a significant part. Much more than Powell would have in my opinion. And that's what it is of course ..opinions. Out of interest would you offer Powell a new 2/3 year contract on the same terms? I don’t see why Powell wouldn’t have played a part in those performances tbh. Gayle’s movement is good but he doesn’t offer a lot else. I don’t think Powell quite fits how Neil wants to play so I’d probably let him go with our thanks and best wishes. Have no problem with us offering him a deal though if Neil does see a role for him. He’s clearly not integral to the current set up in the way he was to the previous one though. No10 types don't really suit the flatter 3 man midfields that are in vogue. Just think Powell can still have a future whereas Gayle only has a past. |
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Post by whatsashig on Apr 11, 2023 20:03:33 GMT
Gayle, only cus of the injury thing but is beginning to look like a past it type fletcher type of signing, and only see it turning more like that, maybe if them near misses earlier in the season wasn’t so it could be different, a new lease of life as he got older but it ain’t happened. Powell has repeatedly got injured and is also a legend in his own head, good skilful player but there’s a but.
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 11, 2023 20:05:23 GMT
I don’t see why Powell wouldn’t have played a part in those performances tbh. Gayle’s movement is good but he doesn’t offer a lot else. I don’t think Powell quite fits how Neil wants to play so I’d probably let him go with our thanks and best wishes. Have no problem with us offering him a deal though if Neil does see a role for him. He’s clearly not integral to the current set up in the way he was to the previous one though. No10 types don't really suit the flatter 3 man midfields that are in vogue. Just think Powell can still have a future whereas Gayle only has a past. Maybe.. Just hope his future is somewhere else. |
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Post by hotpot on Apr 12, 2023 7:10:42 GMT
Powell will not see out a full season. Be silly to extend his contract.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2023 7:45:34 GMT
Powell is rarely available.
He is happy to pick up 20 grand a week and watch most of the games from the stands .
This doesn't help us .
We need to move on .
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 12, 2023 10:57:46 GMT
Powell is rarely available. He is happy to pick up 20 grand a week and watch most of the games from the stands . This doesn't help us . We need to move on . In what way is he ‘happy to’? |
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 12, 2023 11:31:16 GMT
Don’t see us getting rid of Gayle. Hopefully, we can use him as cover for Campbell and Brown, running off a target man.
If we are to keep Powell, we either need to go 532 or have some sort of diamond with Pearson and Powell at either end. He’s not going to want to stay to sit on the bench and he is out of contract. I don’t see him working well with Pearson given the reluctance of the fan base to go back to a 532.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Apr 12, 2023 11:35:53 GMT
Powell certainly isn't a centre forward but it's been a needs must scenario. Him leaving frees up a decent wage for a new signing or loanee of course, although that's one more new face to bed in so unless Neil thinks he's worth three more years (doubtful) he'll go elsewhere with a nice signing on fee.
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Post by Roy Cropper on Apr 12, 2023 11:44:16 GMT
Both got their strengths and weaknesses but neither good enough to lead the line on a promotion campaign imo. I doubt we'll be able to shift Gayle now - which means Powell will probably go - but if we can afford they're both fantastic bench options.
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Post by lowlands on Apr 12, 2023 12:10:32 GMT
Ive been spoilt over the years, Ritchie, Greenhoff, Crooks, Mcllory, Chamberlain, Stein, Biggins, Fuller, Lawrence to name a few
Now we have Gale and Powell sounds like a new virus. Neither are great actually I put Powell in the same mode of that prolific striker from the mid 1980s Ian Painter, lots of running around no end product. Also Powell has got fat.
The team needs a complete overhaul in the summer and definitely need to end this loaning of players. The loan players we acquired have performed ok, but will we buy them?
Thing is I look at Burnley and Bournemouth who returned to the premier league straight away then there is crappy ineffective Stoke, what a fucking shambles the last 5 years have been. Not one good striker, Campbell has great potential but he needs better players around him ffs.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2023 12:37:21 GMT
Powell is rarely available. He is happy to pick up 20 grand a week and watch most of the games from the stands . This doesn't help us . We need to move on . In what way is he ‘happy to’? In the way that I would be happy to pick up 20 grand a week for sitting in the stands watching Stoke play. I would imagine his wages are in the same ball park as Ashley Barnes, oli McBurnie, Akpom Adebayo,Gallagher. It's just that they are usually on the pitch , rather than sat in the stands. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 12, 2023 13:25:23 GMT
In what way is he ‘happy to’? In the way that I would be happy to pick up 20 grand a week for sitting in the stands watching Stoke play. I would imagine his wages are in the same ball park as Ashley Barnes, oli McBurnie, Akpom Adebayo,Gallagher. It's just that they are usually on the pitch , rather than sat in the stands. Are you suggesting that he’s faking being injured? |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 12, 2023 13:25:50 GMT
Ive been spoilt over the years, Ritchie, Greenhoff, Crooks, Mcllory, Chamberlain, Stein, Biggins, Fuller, Lawrence to name a few Now we have Gale and Powell sounds like a new virus. Neither are great actually I put Powell in the same mode of that prolific striker from the mid 1980s Ian Painter, lots of running around no end product. Also Powell has got fat. The team needs a complete overhaul in the summer and definitely need to end this loaning of players. The loan players we acquired have performed ok, but will we buy them? Thing is I look at Burnley and Bournemouth who returned to the premier league straight away then there is crappy ineffective Stoke, what a fucking shambles the last 5 years have been. Not one good striker, Campbell has great potential but he needs better players around him ffs. Don’t think there’s a lot in it between Powell and Lawrence tbh |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 12, 2023 13:28:26 GMT
Ive been spoilt over the years, Ritchie, Greenhoff, Crooks, Mcllory, Chamberlain, Stein, Biggins, Fuller, Lawrence to name a few Now we have Gale and Powell sounds like a new virus. Neither are great actually I put Powell in the same mode of that prolific striker from the mid 1980s Ian Painter, lots of running around no end product. Also Powell has got fat. The team needs a complete overhaul in the summer and definitely need to end this loaning of players. The loan players we acquired have performed ok, but will we buy them? Thing is I look at Burnley and Bournemouth who returned to the premier league straight away then there is crappy ineffective Stoke, what a fucking shambles the last 5 years have been. Not one good striker, Campbell has great potential but he needs better players around him ffs. Don’t think there’s a lot in it between Powell and Lawrence tbh Powell has no end product you don't have to read any further it's quite obviously arse gravy. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 12, 2023 13:31:16 GMT
Don’t think there’s a lot in it between Powell and Lawrence tbh Powell has no end product you don't have to read any further it's quite obviously arse gravy. It’s odd that Tuanzebe doesn’t come in for the same stick, wonder if it’s because he didn’t play for Crewe or because as a centre back he doesn’t try flicks or backheels or anything else skilful that some fans seem to view as a kind of perversion. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2023 13:31:47 GMT
In the way that I would be happy to pick up 20 grand a week for sitting in the stands watching Stoke play. I would imagine his wages are in the same ball park as Ashley Barnes, oli McBurnie, Akpom Adebayo,Gallagher. It's just that they are usually on the pitch , rather than sat in the stands. Are you suggesting that he’s faking being injured? No , I am saying he is injured a lot . If you look at the table we need a 20 grand a week player like Barnes, McBurnie, Akpom Adebayo,who is usually to be found on the pitch. We don't need a 20 grand a week player like Powell, who is usually to be found sat in the stands. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 12, 2023 13:33:08 GMT
Are you suggesting that he’s faking being injured? No , I am saying he is injured a lot . If you look at the table we need a 20 grand a week player like Barnes, McBurnie, Akpom Adebayo,who is usually to be found on the pitch. We don't need a 20 grand a week player like Powell, who is usually to be found sat in the stands. Yeah I get that, but you seem to be blaming him for it and suggesting he’s some kind of malingerer happy to swan about collecting a wage when he could be on the pitch? What do you want him to do about it? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2023 13:40:39 GMT
No , I am saying he is injured a lot . If you look at the table we need a 20 grand a week player like Barnes, McBurnie, Akpom Adebayo,who is usually to be found on the pitch. We don't need a 20 grand a week player like Powell, who is usually to be found sat in the stands. Yeah I get that, but you seem to be blaming him for it and suggesting he’s some kind of malingerer happy to Sean about collecting a wage when he could be on the pitch? What do you want him to do about it? Nothing I think to move forward the club the club need to not renew his contract and give 20 grand to a championship player like Barnes, McBurnie, adebayo Akpom etc instead. A player who spends more time on the pitch and less in the stands . |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 12, 2023 13:42:11 GMT
Yeah I get that, but you seem to be blaming him for it and suggesting he’s some kind of malingerer happy to Sean about collecting a wage when he could be on the pitch? What do you want him to do about it? Nothing I think to move forward the club the club need to not renew his contract and give 20 grand to a championship player like Barnes, McBurnie, adebayo Akpom etc instead. A player who spends more time on the pitch and less in the stands . And they almost certainly won’t, happy days. It’s the idea he’s in some way to blame for being injured a lot I don’t get, which was implied in your original post. |
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Post by jokker on Apr 12, 2023 13:51:29 GMT
Yeah I get that, but you seem to be blaming him for it and suggesting he’s some kind of malingerer happy to Sean about collecting a wage when he could be on the pitch? What do you want him to do about it? Nothing I think to move forward the club the club need to not renew his contract and give 20 grand to a championship player like Barnes, McBurnie, adebayo Akpom etc instead. A player who spends more time on the pitch and less in the stands . He doesn't earn "20 grand" if those websites who claim they know players' wages are to be believed. The last approximate I saw was 12K. He's probably not even going to get that, as a new contract would almost certainly have to be based on number of performances, maybe other details too. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2023 16:51:59 GMT
Powell has no end product you don't have to read any further it's quite obviously arse gravy. It’s odd that Tuanzebe doesn’t come in for the same stick, wonder if it’s because he didn’t play for Crewe or because as a centre back he doesn’t try flicks or backheels or anything else skilful that some fans seem to view as a kind of perversion. I personally wouldn't sign sarkic tuanzebe or Powell for the same reason, they don't play enough games . If sarkic is out lots that means Bonham plays lots . If tuanzebe is out lots that means 40 year old jags plays lots etc AN as indicated he wants to try and keep the nucleus of the current side and I hope he means signing sterling hoever and Pearson. Because if we go with spending our first team wages on sarkic tuanzebe and powell it's very possible that Bonham jags (41 next season) and Gayle will be in the first team lots and we won't be troubling the play offs |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 13, 2023 20:55:42 GMT
It’s odd that Tuanzebe doesn’t come in for the same stick, wonder if it’s because he didn’t play for Crewe or because as a centre back he doesn’t try flicks or backheels or anything else skilful that some fans seem to view as a kind of perversion. I personally wouldn't sign sarkic tuanzebe or Powell for the same reason, they don't play enough games . If sarkic is out lots that means Bonham plays lots . If tuanzebe is out lots that means 40 year old jags plays lots etc AN as indicated he wants to try and keep the nucleus of the current side and I hope he means signing sterling hoever and Pearson. Because if we go with spending our first team wages on sarkic tuanzebe and powell it's very possible that Bonham jags (41 next season) and Gayle will be in the first team lots and we won't be troubling the play offs I personally wouldn't give Jagielka a contract he's finished. |
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Post by Roy Cropper on Apr 13, 2023 22:16:28 GMT
Ive been spoilt over the years, Ritchie, Greenhoff, Crooks, Mcllory, Chamberlain, Stein, Biggins, Fuller, Lawrence to name a few Now we have Gale and Powell sounds like a new virus. Neither are great actually I put Powell in the same mode of that prolific striker from the mid 1980s Ian Painter, lots of running around no end product. Also Powell has got fat. The team needs a complete overhaul in the summer and definitely need to end this loaning of players. The loan players we acquired have performed ok, but will we buy them? Thing is I look at Burnley and Bournemouth who returned to the premier league straight away then there is crappy ineffective Stoke, what a fucking shambles the last 5 years have been. Not one good striker, Campbell has great potential but he needs better players around him ffs. "End this loaning of players" - Jesus wept, have you not watched a single game since Xmas? |
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 13, 2023 22:39:17 GMT
No , I am saying he is injured a lot . If you look at the table we need a 20 grand a week player like Barnes, McBurnie, Akpom Adebayo,who is usually to be found on the pitch. We don't need a 20 grand a week player like Powell, who is usually to be found sat in the stands. Yeah I get that, but you seem to be blaming him for it and suggesting he’s some kind of malingerer happy to swan about collecting a wage when he could be on the pitch? What do you want him to do about it? You seem to have a bit of a hard-on for Powell.. I think most people realise he's a very good player. But we be can ill afford a player on his wages to be spending a vast amount of time on the treatment table. You tend to build a team around a player like this. Classic No10 He's a great player but he cannot be relied upon to put a season shift in for promotion whilst spending a fortune on him. Impact bench player on pay per game then ok. But three year contract no way. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 14, 2023 5:18:03 GMT
Yeah I get that, but you seem to be blaming him for it and suggesting he’s some kind of malingerer happy to swan about collecting a wage when he could be on the pitch? What do you want him to do about it? You seem to have a bit of a hard-on for Powell.. I think most people realise he's a very good player. But we be can ill afford a player on his wages to be spending a vast amount of time on the treatment table. You tend to build a team around a player like this. Classic No10 He's a great player but he cannot be relied upon to put a season shift in for promotion whilst spending a fortune on him. Impact bench player on pay per game then ok. But three year contract no way. A lot don’t think he’s a very good player though. There’s an incredible amount of shit talked about him that doesn’t tally with his contribution when he has a run in the side. It’s the idea that he’s this dastardly fancy dan waster somehow defying medical science by faking injuries all the time is what I object to. I agree with your sentiment, he doesn’t seem to fit Neil’s approach and likely he moves on at the end of the season. |
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Post by swampmongrel on Apr 14, 2023 6:28:53 GMT
I’d have persevered with young Delap. But I understand something went on which meant it was better for him to leave.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 14, 2023 6:31:28 GMT
Yeah I get that, but you seem to be blaming him for it and suggesting he’s some kind of malingerer happy to swan about collecting a wage when he could be on the pitch? What do you want him to do about it? You seem to have a bit of a hard-on for Powell.. I think most people realise he's a very good player. But we be can ill afford a player on his wages to be spending a vast amount of time on the treatment table. You tend to build a team around a player like this. Classic No10 He's a great player but he cannot be relied upon to put a season shift in for promotion whilst spending a fortune on him. Impact bench player on pay per game then ok. But three year contract no way. Classic No 10’s are not having teams built around them they’re closer to becoming extinct, certainly endangered in the age of flatter 3 man central midfields. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 14, 2023 7:15:07 GMT
You seem to have a bit of a hard-on for Powell.. I think most people realise he's a very good player. But we be can ill afford a player on his wages to be spending a vast amount of time on the treatment table. You tend to build a team around a player like this. Classic No10 He's a great player but he cannot be relied upon to put a season shift in for promotion whilst spending a fortune on him. Impact bench player on pay per game then ok. But three year contract no way. Classic No 10’s are not having teams built around them they’re closer to becoming extinct, certainly endangered in the age of flatter 3 man central midfields. We don't play with a flat 3 man midfield - Pearson sits, Laurent plays box to box and Smallbone floats behind the forwards. Having said that I'm not sure we need a classic no 10 in that setup either - the central striker needs to lead the line, the Smallbone midfielder role is doing the no 10 stuff. Powell isn't a lead the line forward and we need to upgrade on Gayle who unfortunately isn't the player he was. If anything Powell is in competition with Smallbone for that midfield role and clearly Neil rates Smallbone more highly. I just can't see Neil offering Powell a new contract - his injury record isn't good and if Neil has the choice he's picking Smallbone in his natural position and Gayle in his makeshift position. |
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