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Post by suck_the_mop. on Apr 16, 2023 12:34:01 GMT
Home record this season.. open caption (fucking abysmal) close caption.
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Post by Marc01 on Apr 16, 2023 12:55:19 GMT
Of the 18 clubs who've been in the division over both the last 2 seasons, we've got the fewest home points between the 2 West Brom home games (1 Oct 2021 - 15 Apr 2023) 1 Sheff U 39 79 2 Boro 39 79 3 Millwall 39 76 4 Blackburn 38 72 5 Luton 39 70 6 Hudds 40 70 7 WBA 39 70 8 Swans 39 60 9 Bristol C 39 59 10 Hull 38 59 11 PNE 39 56 12 Reading 39 52 13 Cov 38 51 14 Blackpool 38 51 15 Brum 38 49 16 QPR 38 47 17 Cardiff 38 45 18 Stoke 38 42 (11 wins 9 draws 18 losses) Just been having a quick tally up of goals at home and I made it 25 scored with only 10 of them at the Boothen End of which 5 of them have been in 2 games against Reading and Huddersfield. Missed Huddersfield match and to exclude Reading .., That will be 5 Stoke goals at the “Boothen End” in the other 19 home games! Wonderful 🙂 No wonder I was struggling to remember them. Pretty much a goal there every four home games..
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Post by thevoid on Apr 16, 2023 14:26:56 GMT
I know we had 5 games that showed there could be some light at the end of the tunnel. I understand Alex Neil inherited an imbalanced and out of shape squad from O’Neill. Saying that Alex Neil has to be held somewhat account for a shocking home record this season. Not good enough (grade D.) Most of those 5 games were away
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Post by potters11 on Apr 16, 2023 14:43:15 GMT
I know we had 5 games that showed there could be some light at the end of the tunnel. I understand Alex Neil inherited an imbalanced and out of shape squad from O’Neill. Saying that Alex Neil has to be held somewhat account for a shocking home record this season. Not good enough (grade D.) Most of those 5 games were away They were but I’d actually put the Brighton cup match into the purple patch too so there 3 consecutive home matches showing some light at the end of the tunnel! Not good enough at all.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Apr 17, 2023 12:40:59 GMT
How many goals have we scored attacking the Boothen end? It can't be many. 12 second-half goals at home this season, 11 of them attacking the Boothen (Baker pen vs Birmingham where we switched sides). 2 Sheff Utd 3 Reading 2 Huddersfield Not many in the other 17 games!
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Apr 17, 2023 12:56:28 GMT
Outside of the playing squad, this is absolutely the priority for Neil to get right. If you're winning at home consistently it will bring some good feeling back around the place and some belief. Currently at home there's just a general sense of going through the motions until the opposition grab a winner.
Teams don't come and play expansively like they do when at home against us, but we've got to find a way of stringing together a good run at home if we're to do anything at all next season.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 17, 2023 13:08:18 GMT
Our home form is Won 6, Drawn 5, Lost 10. Only bottom placed Wigan have won fewer home games. It's been some stunt that's for sure. Fair play to everyone involved, but lets not do it again. Anyone else old enough to remember 'Yes, but can they do it on a cold rainy Tuesday night in Stoke?'? Just turning 3 of those 10 into wins would have us in for a strong chance of the playoffs. Another season thrown away.
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Post by Gods on Apr 17, 2023 13:21:23 GMT
Our home form is Won 6, Drawn 5, Lost 10. Only bottom placed Wigan have won fewer home games. It's been some stunt that's for sure. Fair play to everyone involved, but lets not do it again. Anyone else old enough to remember 'Yes, but can they do it on a cold rainy Tuesday night in Stoke?'? Just turning 3 of those 10 into wins would have us in for a strong chance of the playoffs. Another season thrown away. Yes indeed.
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Post by Marc01 on Apr 18, 2023 22:22:22 GMT
Our home form is Won 6, Drawn 5, Lost 10. Only bottom placed Wigan have won fewer home games. It's been some stunt that's for sure. Fair play to everyone involved, but lets not do it again. Anyone else old enough to remember 'Yes, but can they do it on a cold rainy Tuesday night in Stoke?'? So now: W6 D5 L11 23 points from 22 home games. Typically, over the majority of seasons, our home games will produce more points than away games. Just a guess, but I doubt there are many worse PPG Stoke home records in the history of the club!….. Including relegation seasons! Doubt we have lost 3 home league games in the space of 12 days very often??? When did we last win 3 at home on the bounce???
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 19, 2023 6:18:03 GMT
23 points out of 66😳utterly woeful
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Apr 19, 2023 7:16:41 GMT
Our home form is Won 6, Drawn 5, Lost 10. Only bottom placed Wigan have won fewer home games. It's been some stunt that's for sure. Fair play to everyone involved, but lets not do it again. Anyone else old enough to remember 'Yes, but can they do it on a cold rainy Tuesday night in Stoke?'? So now: W6 D5 L11 23 points from 22 home games. Typically, over the majority of seasons, our home games will produce more points than away games. Just a guess, but I doubt there are many worse PPG Stoke home records in the history of the club!….. Including relegation seasons! Doubt we have lost 3 home league games in the space of 12 days very often??? When did we last win 3 at home on the bounce??? So, even a record of W8, D8, L6, which to be fair is still a pretty crap home record, would have us sat with a shot at the Play Offs. The season's been shite. Reading's home record has us in the Play Offs.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 19, 2023 7:58:04 GMT
His first port of call in the summer will to make the pitch bigger next season. MON’s decision to make the pitch as small as allowed last summer was fucking mind boggling. Then he needs to find some wide players capable of breaking teams down who sit in and make it tough and tight for us and a striker who can make Runs to stretch the defences He’s actually moaned we make the pitch too big so I can’t see it personally
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Post by LGH87 on Apr 19, 2023 8:01:50 GMT
How can we be sat 7th for away form yet 22nd for home form.
What are we doing so well away from home that we just find impossible to replicate at our own place?
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Post by femark on Apr 19, 2023 8:03:56 GMT
Home table...says it all Attachments:
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Post by svengaliinplatforms on Apr 19, 2023 8:10:05 GMT
How can we be sat 7th for away form yet 22nd for home form. What are we doing so well away from home that we just find impossible to replicate at our own place? It must be all the pressure they're under to perform, in front of the baying masses 👀
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Post by stokemark on Apr 19, 2023 8:15:19 GMT
In general we do better when we dont have possession of the football which explains our better away form
At home we are better against teams that do come and try and score / win in a direct fashion and are woeful against counter attacking teams.
Put simply we are being outthought before kicking a ball when such a situation is so obvious and the manager needs to get this addressed from a tactical standpoint and has instead let it fester for far too long.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 19, 2023 9:49:01 GMT
I've never known such a gutless collection of players over such a prolonged period of time. Go behind and it's basically game over.
How many times in the last 6 years have we:
a) got points from losing positions b) won games from behind c) won (or gained a draw) with a late goal, 85 minutes onwards
I imagine the opposite of the above scenarios (that is, for the benefit of the opposition) is exponentially higher
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 19, 2023 13:36:09 GMT
I've never known such a gutless collection of players over such a prolonged period of time. Go behind and it's basically game over. How many times in the last 6 years have we: a) got points from losing positions b) won games from behind c) won (or gained a draw) with a late goal, 85 minutes onwards I imagine the opposite of the above scenarios (that is, for the benefit of the opposition) is exponentially higher A few times we scored late goals in the early part of the season.
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Post by Marc01 on Apr 19, 2023 13:38:05 GMT
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Post by thevoid on Apr 19, 2023 13:55:09 GMT
I've never known such a gutless collection of players over such a prolonged period of time. Go behind and it's basically game over. How many times in the last 6 years have we: a) got points from losing positions b) won games from behind c) won (or gained a draw) with a late goal, 85 minutes onwards I imagine the opposite of the above scenarios (that is, for the benefit of the opposition) is exponentially higher A few times we scored late goals in the early part of the season. Yes I know but it's not many times overall during the last six years
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 19, 2023 14:28:11 GMT
IF IF IF IF IF.
We had managed to win the last 3 home games,we would be looking to make the play offs.
But this been Stoke,we would have fucked up anyway.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Apr 19, 2023 16:19:51 GMT
Quality ... and we're about to give him the keys to the safe that will shape our next 3 years. I've got deja vu.
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Post by march4 on Apr 19, 2023 16:37:57 GMT
Quality ... and we're about to give him the keys to the safe that will shape our next 3 years. I've got deja vu. He’s the best manager outside the Prem and we are extremely lucky to have him.
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Post by thevoid on Apr 19, 2023 16:42:12 GMT
I see march has a new hobby
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Post by franklin on Apr 19, 2023 17:45:07 GMT
Our home form is a disgrace and but for a short purple patch the whole fucking season is too.
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Post by pavel on Apr 19, 2023 17:46:01 GMT
1 goal too often becomes 2, that’s when you need your experience players to calm things down but we just let the game get stretched against Bristol City and West Brom. Neil admitted it in his interview as well, if he was going to bring Tymon and Thompson on yesterday he’d have actually been better off going 3-5-2 with Sterling as his right sided centre back and Hover and Tymon as wing backs…….. Why did he bring them on? Both were massively negative shit subs. That seems to be his modus operandi at the moment. Every time we go behind, closing the game down as if we’re hanging on to a 1-0 lead, unfathonable.
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Post by karl on Apr 19, 2023 17:47:26 GMT
The worry for me is the manager doesn't seem to have a Plan B at home. It's whack it up to Gayle and if that doesn't work he moves to Powell and whacks it at him. Sure, we will be buying players this summer but that won't necessarily give the manager a plan B he doesn't have now. He has the option to use Powell as a deep lying striker or No 10 but refuses to do it. He has the option of using Gayle like that too. I'm really confused because bar Birmingham last week, we've been playing more football away from home, and even played football through Powell as a striker and Gayle when played, so it's not like he doesn't or can't do it. The manager doesn't have the players for a plan b.
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 19, 2023 18:06:11 GMT
The worry for me is the manager doesn't seem to have a Plan B at home. It's whack it up to Gayle and if that doesn't work he moves to Powell and whacks it at him. Sure, we will be buying players this summer but that won't necessarily give the manager a plan B he doesn't have now. He has the option to use Powell as a deep lying striker or No 10 but refuses to do it. He has the option of using Gayle like that too. I'm really confused because bar Birmingham last week, we've been playing more football away from home, and even played football through Powell as a striker and Gayle when played, so it's not like he doesn't or can't do it. The manager doesn't have the players for a plan b. He absolutely does. Play Powell in his proper position as a 10 off a forward and play football through midfield, rather than direct football of a non target man. There's your plan B right there.
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Post by chuckrocky on Apr 19, 2023 18:16:27 GMT
The manager doesn't have the players for a plan b. He absolutely does. Play Powell in his proper position as a 10 off a forward and play football through midfield, rather than direct football of a non target man. There's your plan B right there. That’s pretty much our plan A isn’t it? Minus Powell as a 10. It just doesn’t work against teams who set up with a low block, especially when you have zero creativity from the middle of the pitch. The best way to combat teams who sit behind the ball is to get down the sides or to go direct to a target man. We just don’t have the personnel to do either.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 19, 2023 18:47:56 GMT
I’ve just been having alook at our home record since relegation to the championship and it really is poor 114 games(with 1 to go) W44 D27 L43
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