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Post by theoldvic on Apr 7, 2023 17:11:23 GMT
If Neal thinks that Taylor has a future playing for Stoke, then surely he must play him ahead of jags for the remaining games . It’s an ideal time to give him the chance to play as a starting centre half and gain experience and build his confidence going forward. If he sticks with jags starting I think that might be a sign that AN just doesn’t fancy him, and for me that’s a shame
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Post by pottersrule on Apr 7, 2023 17:23:17 GMT
If Neal thinks that Taylor has a future playing for Stoke, then surely he must play him ahead of jags for the remaining games . It’s an ideal time to give him the chance to play as a starting centre half and gain experience and build his confidence going forward. If he sticks with jags starting I think that might be a sign that AN just doesn’t fancy him, and for me that’s a shame I don't think he does fancy him and his lack of pace is probably the reason.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Apr 7, 2023 17:35:07 GMT
If Neal thinks that Taylor has a future playing for Stoke, then surely he must play him ahead of jags for the remaining games . It’s an ideal time to give him the chance to play as a starting centre half and gain experience and build his confidence going forward. If he sticks with jags starting I think that might be a sign that AN just doesn’t fancy him, and for me that’s a shame I don't think he does fancy him and his lack of pace is probably the reason. Surely he can't be any slower than Jags... can he??? 🤔
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Post by Trouserdog on Apr 7, 2023 17:36:16 GMT
Might as well give him the last few games of the season. Nothing at stake now.
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Post by pottersrule on Apr 7, 2023 18:24:24 GMT
I don't think he does fancy him and his lack of pace is probably the reason. Surely he can't be any slower than Jags... can he??? 🤔 Not a lot in it I would have thought,but Jags experience will give him the first 5 yards.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Apr 7, 2023 18:58:26 GMT
Tuanzebe will come in obviously. We’re paying to loan him so why wouldn’t he play?
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Post by a on Apr 7, 2023 19:01:49 GMT
He’s nowhere near the standard of the two CBs today. He will weaken the team.
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Post by tqstokie on Apr 7, 2023 19:31:21 GMT
He’s nowhere near the standard of the two CBs today. He will weaken the team. We will never know unless he plays. What are you judging "He's nowhere near the standard of" on. Since you can't have seen him play recently. He won't learn anything sitting on the bench they may as well have left him with Bristol Rovers.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Apr 7, 2023 21:28:23 GMT
He’s on the bench because we don’t have another centre back for the bench with Tuanzebe out. You’re making the wrong point. Willmott and Tuanzebe should see the season out.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 7, 2023 21:44:19 GMT
If Neal thinks that Taylor has a future playing for Stoke, then surely he must play him ahead of jags for the remaining games . It’s an ideal time to give him the chance to play as a starting centre half and gain experience and build his confidence going forward. If he sticks with jags starting I think that might be a sign that AN just doesn’t fancy him, and for me that’s a shame Absolutely no distract to Jags. I doubt he’ll start on Monday. Taylor’s opportunity?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 7, 2023 23:56:03 GMT
Jagielka from this point on should never really play for us again. There’s no way he should be kept for next season.
Play Taylor, see how he does.
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Post by LphPotter on Apr 7, 2023 23:58:24 GMT
Jagielka can’t start again on Monday, he struggled today second half and there’s no way he should be playing back to back games so soon after one another. He’s played well on the whole this season but when he’s had to play too many games back to back or in quick succession he’s struggled, understandably.
If Tuanzebe isn’t fit then Taylor should start, although I think he may go with Fox. Surely though with the season over, he would want to have a look at Taylor?
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Post by a on Apr 8, 2023 7:24:36 GMT
He’s nowhere near the standard of the two CBs today. He will weaken the team. We will never know unless he plays. What are you judging "He's nowhere near the standard of" on. Since you can't have seen him play recently. He won't learn anything sitting on the bench they may as well have left him with Bristol Rovers. Based on seeing him play.
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Post by pottersrule on Apr 8, 2023 8:05:41 GMT
Jagielka from this point on should never really play for us again. There’s no way he should be kept for next season. Play Taylor, see how he does. I can see your rationale and Taylor needs to be given a chance now so a decision on his future can be made.I fear that due to his lack of pace though he won't cut it at this level.
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Post by pottersrule on Apr 8, 2023 8:10:02 GMT
If Neal thinks that Taylor has a future playing for Stoke, then surely he must play him ahead of jags for the remaining games . It’s an ideal time to give him the chance to play as a starting centre half and gain experience and build his confidence going forward. If he sticks with jags starting I think that might be a sign that AN just doesn’t fancy him, and for me that’s a shame He did say that Taylor had a future here and so he should now be given his chance imo.The lad needs to be playing at his age and now's the time to see at what level it will be.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 8, 2023 8:20:53 GMT
I am hoping he kept Tuanzebe rested to deal with Jutkiewicz on Monday. He’ll kill any other of our centre backs like he always does!
Taylor will maybe get a run out in the last 3 or 4. Remains to be seen whether he’s good enough but from what if I’ve seen he doesn’t have enough to his game to make up for his lack of pace.
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Post by humbersidepotter on Apr 8, 2023 8:56:08 GMT
Jagielka from this point on should never really play for us again. There’s no way he should be kept for next season. Play Taylor, see how he does. I can see your rationale and Taylor needs to be given a chance now so a decision on his future can be made.I fear that due to his lack of pace though he won't cut it at this level. Does Taylor need to be give games here though? Bringing in an extra CB and loaning him out in Jan is what should have happened. Every single time I’ve seen him I don’t think he’s looked up to it. People give him more slack with him being local, but if Wilmot turned out the performances Taylor has, then he’d be crucified. Taylor is not the answer to any questions on how to fix our back four. He’ll make a good career for himself in league one, but the championship is a stretch to high for him. His mobility and lack of pace is a massive problem, yes souttar had similar issues, but Harry had more natural ability on the ball and a better positional sense.
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Post by shakermaker on Apr 8, 2023 9:04:14 GMT
The lad has excelled during a season in League Two. He has great potential, but he now needs a season in League One. Send him out on loan this summer with a recall option.
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Post by tqstokie on Apr 8, 2023 9:20:03 GMT
We will never know unless he plays. What are you judging "He's nowhere near the standard of" on. Since you can't have seen him play recently. He won't learn anything sitting on the bench they may as well have left him with Bristol Rovers. Based on seeing him play. What in the under 21's or somewhere else?
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Post by a on Apr 8, 2023 10:39:02 GMT
Based on seeing him play. What in the under 21's or somewhere else? Stoke first team. Also got a mate who’s a Bristol Rovers fan and he reckoned he was currently playing at the right level, league 2. Not saying he won’t improve but at present I think he’d weaken the defence.
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Post by jokker on Apr 8, 2023 10:45:47 GMT
Does Taylor need to be give games here though? Taylor cannot go on loan elsewhere in the league at this stage of the season. So unless you'd like to see him in non-league, it's here he must be given games.
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Post by tqstokie on Apr 8, 2023 13:16:09 GMT
What in the under 21's or somewhere else? Stoke first team. Also got a mate who’s a Bristol Rovers fan and he reckoned he was currently playing at the right level, league 2. Not saying he won’t improve but at present I think he’d weaken the defence. Well that was quite some time ago. Joey Barton thought he was outstanding at that level. I think his opinion is more important than your mates.
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Post by humbersidepotter on Apr 8, 2023 16:50:45 GMT
Does Taylor need to be give games here though? Taylor cannot go on loan elsewhere in the league at this stage of the season. So unless you'd like to see him in non-league, it's here he must be given games. Rather him play for the u23s or not play then, he’s really not up to the required standard
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Post by BristolMick on Apr 8, 2023 16:55:52 GMT
He’s nowhere near the standard of the two CBs today. He will weaken the team. We will never know unless he plays. What are you judging "He's nowhere near the standard of" on. Since you can't have seen him play recently. He won't learn anything sitting on the bench they may as well have left him with Bristol Rovers. Rovers fans are already including him in their ideal team for next season. BM
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Post by BristolMick on Apr 8, 2023 16:57:13 GMT
The lad has excelled during a season in League Two. He has great potential, but he now needs a season in League One. Send him out on loan this summer with a recall option. Yes, back to Rovers who he helped get promoted to L1 BM
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 8, 2023 16:58:03 GMT
It’s obvious he’s not ready for the championship on the limited evidence so far. Season long loan in league one next season should prepare him well, there’s clearly something there but he’s in limbo at the moment
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Post by nonameface on Apr 8, 2023 16:59:26 GMT
Stoke first team. Also got a mate who’s a Bristol Rovers fan and he reckoned he was currently playing at the right level, league 2. Not saying he won’t improve but at present I think he’d weaken the defence. Well that was quite some time ago. Joey Barton thought he was outstanding at that level. I think his opinion is more important than your mates. The few times Taylor has played for us, its looked like hes done so a bit too early, like how Souttar did before he had his loans. Taylor was fantastic at Bristol Rovers and they would have loved him there this season, which may have been more beneficial for him. He really needs another loan and having him here as back up is holding him back. What makes it even worse is that we only have him and Wilmot signed up for next season.
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Post by jokker on Apr 8, 2023 17:05:17 GMT
We will never know unless he plays. What are you judging "He's nowhere near the standard of" on. Since you can't have seen him play recently. He won't learn anything sitting on the bench they may as well have left him with Bristol Rovers. Rovers fans are already including him in their ideal team for next season. BM Might be ideal for them but not for Taylor. If he goes there on a season long loan he will be short of 23 by the time he gets back here. By then he will probably be considered too old to start becoming a regular and other defenders will have been bought to the club in his absence - although for a club that plays a 40-year old has been, I suppose 23 is no age.
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Post by foxysgloves on Apr 8, 2023 20:56:17 GMT
He’s nowhere near the standard of the two CBs today. He will weaken the team. We will never know unless he plays. What are you judging "He's nowhere near the standard of" on. Since you can't have seen him play recently. He won't learn anything sitting on the bench they may as well have left him with Bristol Rovers. We don’t have to decide though. The manager does. The one who sees him in training every single day. I’d love if Taylor was the next Soutarr but the fact he’s not apparently trusted by this manager or the previous one suggests he might not be ready/good enough.
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Post by blackpoolred on Apr 8, 2023 21:57:55 GMT
Last 2 managers have preferred square pegs rather than have to play him and this manager also prefers a player who is 40+
Have to move him on if we are not going to give him a chance or don't see him as a viable option when players are injured - what is the point in keeping him?
As a club we just don't do central defenders - ever since we gave Huth away we have not had many decent players in that position and we have always been short in numbers. In the last window we moved 2 out and only saw the need to bring one in - bizarre - thought this manager would change that in an instant.
Effectively, as Taylor has not been seen as a viable option by the last 2 managers, that left us with Wilmot, a 40-year-old, and a player who had not kicked a ball for over a year - not sure how on earth that was deemed acceptable by a club that was in a relegation battle at the time and was going to be playing 2 games a week.
If we are only going to have 4 central defenders in the squad, which has got to be one of the lowest amounts in the top 2 divisions, then they all have to be viable ones that can step up and compete with each other and not be teenagers, 40-year-olds or crocked. We desperately need quality and numbers in that area of the park or we won't progress very far and we will see more home performances like yesterday where we will struggle to keep a clean sheet - a really important area of the pitch that we have neglected year on year and manager after manager
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