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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 20, 2023 21:01:15 GMT
Personal abuse, especially personal abuse in a very public setting isnt right. The club as a whole should receive condemnation, the team being booed can be justified, individual abuse is totally unacceptable whether people think that way or not
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Post by rambo61 on Feb 20, 2023 21:05:53 GMT
Bullying??đ¤Łđ¤Ł the latest woke bollocks!! Havent seen many players crying at full time..mind you you have to care to cry and these wankers dont care!!! I honestly canât believe half of this being written. I feel like it some sort of parallel universe where 1) this team arenât just dreadful 2) this isnât a really common thing in football. Its called sitting in bed on a laptop never going to a match!!
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 20, 2023 21:12:15 GMT
I honestly canât believe half of this being written. I feel like it some sort of parallel universe where 1) this team arenât just dreadful 2) this isnât a really common thing in football. Its called sitting in bed on a laptop never going to a match!! True, like Bayernoatcake
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 20, 2023 21:15:23 GMT
Its called sitting in bed on a laptop never going to a match!! True, like Bayernoatcake đ I wish I did. Clapping to fans when weâve lost is a pet peeve of mine and itâs happened so often at home this season. I donât get why they do it and I donât get why people clap them for losing.
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Post by stokedan on Feb 20, 2023 21:36:06 GMT
True, like Bayernoatcake đ I wish I did. Clapping to fans is pet peeve of mine and itâs happened so often at home this season. I donât get why they do it and I donât get why people clap them for losing. You seem to have ignored my last post so Iâll repeat my main point. Thereâs Stoke fans on this thread who have expressed how this kind of abusive atmosphere that you are condoning has discouraged them from attending as it understandably makes them feel intimidated. Does that not give you pause for thought that maybe, just maybe itâs not acceptable? Do you think it is acceptable that the abuse you are justifying is making fellow fans feel this way?
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Post by chigstoke on Feb 20, 2023 21:38:45 GMT
Christ, don't check the thread for 3 hours, come back and it's like an episode of Coronation Street in here ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 20, 2023 21:44:41 GMT
Christ, don't check the thread for 3 hours, come back and it's like an episode of Coronation Street in here ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) Not sure it compares to when Rita Fairclough pushed Alan Bradley in front of a Blackpool tram but I get your vibe đ
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Post by independent on Feb 20, 2023 21:59:35 GMT
I'm sure that that behaviour will improve the team's performance enormously and will cement the connection between team and fans. No matter how poor the side is, as long as they are doing their best with no lack of effort they deserve support not abuse.
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Post by senojbor on Feb 20, 2023 22:59:40 GMT
Looking at it rationally.
We are where we are because the squad of player collectively are not good enough to compete
We have lost half our league games to prove it, it's not about one game
Giving abuse to players will not make them play better, nor would any manager
The dissatisfaction should be levelled at the people who run the club
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Post by thischarmingmanc on Feb 20, 2023 23:54:48 GMT
Theres a toxicity here and its guys like toy frankly.... Spite helps nothing.. Because they lost? How does that work we played worse v Huddersfield didn't see anyone screaming, and I men screaming, tirades of vitriloic abuse then Embarrassed Boo them off, go for it but I don't think there's any justification for the abuse Happy clappers like you are killing this club.
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Post by thischarmingmanc on Feb 20, 2023 23:57:00 GMT
You don't want better, you want to look superior from saying you want better but doing fuck all to make anything better for anyone anywhere. I tell you what is killing the club, the level of entitlement that pervades through vast swathes of the supporters. We have been utterly shit, very good for a while and will be somewhere between on and on. Shouting and screaming like toddlers because we arenât what we think we should be is embarrassing. God forbid that people want better. What bastards.
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Post by midfielder on Feb 21, 2023 6:19:18 GMT
I think that unfortunately the usual suspect/s on this board often read the first few sentences of a post and then respond in a way that doesnât actually address the original point being made but that does mould a discussion around their own agenda. lordâs comment was basically âfine be pissed off but donât personally abuseâŚjust because youâre in a football stadium it doesnât all of a sudden become acceptable to use some of the language that is usedâ
As usual the point is missed and then thereâs pages and pages of debate and this cycle perpetuates which slowly but surely makes this forum completely unreadable
Letâs face it weâre all annoyed, we all feel disillusioned and disconnected. In a very short space of time weâve gone from no nonsense Huth and Shawcross, the elegance of NâZonzi, watching Bojan, Arnie and Shaq cut through elite defences like they werenât even there to watching Morgan Fox trip over a football week in week out. The players who play for us now donât understand this because Iâd argue that in order to make it as a professional footballer you have to be egoic, self centred and truly believe you are gods gift. I got close to a career in the game myself and itâs remarkable how many with extreme talent didnât make it because of their own self doubt and how many lads who talked the talk got to the top. So to hope this current crop get our frustrations is about as likely as stumbling across rocking horse shit on your walk into work. Players will give their fans lip service but we all know itâs very rare that any of them truly âget itâ
SoâŚ.here we areâŚdeep down desperate for a team to be proud of and some success again and the longer that doesnât manifest into reality the longer weâll go over the top when we win one game and go absolutely mental when we continue to serve up tripe week in week out. For some those frustrations play out on a message board, for others alcohol and drugs at the match followed by abusing anyone in sight, for others completely switching off and spending weeks, months away. None of it really gets us anywhere or really has any point. I miss the days of going to a game and even when Paul Stewart and company stunk the place out you could have a laugh at the one liners you hear amongst our fans. I remember as a really young boy breaking down in stitches at some of the stuff youâd hear even during our darkest days. Itâs sad to see and hear of all the in fighting now. The team might be a horror show but I think we should keep a little pride for ourselves by not stooping to their level. Iâm still proud to sit in a stadium with a red and white shirt on but itâs more of a nostalgic thing for me nowadays, the guy in front is usually sat playing on Snapchat and the bloke behind me doesnât usually say anything that isnât a swear word (no doubt they come on here after to vent) but Iâll always be Stoke and whilst Iâm passionate and rarely spend the game sat down I personally just couldnât bring myself to abuse anyone with our shirt on.
I hope things turn round and that we all as a collective loosen up a bit. Weâve ridden heavier waves than this before and things might get worse before they get better but weâve always stuck together
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 21, 2023 6:56:34 GMT
You don't want better, you want to look superior from saying you want better but doing fuck all to make anything better for anyone anywhere. God forbid that people want better. What bastards. No I want better. I havenât been saying this for 5/6 years for any reason that the hope someone somewhere might listen and take note and change something. Because tbh weâve sunk even lower than I expected. Itâs disgraceful. And here the fans are making the same mistakes and excuses for a lousy team. Itâs a massive problem. The fans keep feeding into the loop of failure. They keep reinforcing it. And then donât learn. Itâs excruciating.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 21, 2023 7:07:26 GMT
Looking at it rationally. We are where we are because the squad of player collectively are not good enough to compete We have lost half our league games to prove it, it's not about one game Giving abuse to players will not make them play better, nor would any manager The dissatisfaction should be levelled at the people who run the club Too many people wooed by free coach trips to...well, probably Exeter next season. I'd rather pay and have a better run club. The only shock is that people are shocked. This is just a return to type under The Family
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 21, 2023 7:16:27 GMT
Looking at it rationally. We are where we are because the squad of player collectively are not good enough to compete We have lost half our league games to prove it, it's not about one game Giving abuse to players will not make them play better, nor would any manager The dissatisfaction should be levelled at the people who run the club Too many people wooed by free coach trips to...well, probably Exeter next season. I'd rather pay and have a better run club. The only shock is that people are shocked. This is just a return to type under The Family and season tickets frozen in price since 2008 and still more expensive than most of the league ![(thumbsup)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/q4Mqf5MqRwT9PY8UitYa.gif)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 21, 2023 7:38:00 GMT
Looking at it rationally. We are where we are because the squad of player collectively are not good enough to compete We have lost half our league games to prove it, it's not about one game Giving abuse to players will not make them play better, nor would any manager The dissatisfaction should be levelled at the people who run the club Too many people wooed by free coach trips to...well, probably Exeter next season. I'd rather pay and have a better run club. The only shock is that people are shocked. This is just a return to type under The Family Itâs painful isnât it. Itâs akin to your dog keeping on shitting on your living room carpet and you give him a treat for it. Thereâs no willingness to acknowledge an issue and then try to change their behaviour. âWe lost to a shit side who had one shot on target to our 20 for the 4th/5th time this season, whoâs a good boyâ. Itâs just mad to me that anyone to me would think thatâs how it should work. It reinforces that itâs ok and that they can do it again. Ultimately though we have a fanbase who wonât acknowledge the overriding issue that are the owners. And again why would they change if they donât feel the pressure to needing to? Who is telling them that they have barely got a decision right in 7/8 years? So here we are in this loop of decline owners, managers, players and fans all feeding it by not being honest and being seemingly happy to try and get the club out of this continuous spiral by reinforcing bad practise.
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Post by LGH87 on Feb 21, 2023 7:49:09 GMT
Too many people wooed by free coach trips to...well, probably Exeter next season. I'd rather pay and have a better run club. The only shock is that people are shocked. This is just a return to type under The Family Itâs painful isnât it. Itâs akin to your dog keeping on shitting on your living room carpet and you give him a treat for it. Thereâs no willingness to acknowledge an issue and then try to change their behaviour. âWe lost to a shit side who had one shot on target to our 20 for the 4th/5th time this season, whoâs a good boyâ. Itâs just mad to me that anyone to me would think thatâs how it should work. It reinforces that itâs ok and that they can do it again. Ultimately though we have a fanbase who wonât acknowledge the overriding issue that are the owners. And again why would they change if they donât feel the pressure to needing to? Who is telling them that they have barely got a decision right in 7/8 years? So here we are in this loop of decline owners, managers, players and fans all feeding it by not being honest and being seemingly happy to try and get the club out of this continuous spiral by reinforcing bad practise. Starting to think only relegation would finally tip it. Even then certain members of this board will defend the owners to the hilt. Pathetic.
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Post by werrington on Feb 21, 2023 7:50:51 GMT
Too many people wooed by free coach trips to...well, probably Exeter next season. I'd rather pay and have a better run club. The only shock is that people are shocked. This is just a return to type under The Family Itâs painful isnât it. Itâs akin to your dog keeping on shitting on your living room carpet and you give him a treat for it. Thereâs no willingness to acknowledge an issue and then try to change their behaviour. âWe lost to a shit side who had one shot on target to our 20 for the 4th/5th time this season, whoâs a good boyâ. Itâs just mad to me that anyone to me would think thatâs how it should work. It reinforces that itâs ok and that they can do it again. Ultimately though we have a fanbase who wonât acknowledge the overriding issue that are the owners. And again why would they change if they donât feel the pressure to needing to? Who is telling them that they have barely got a decision right in 7/8 years? So here we are in this loop of decline owners, managers, players and fans all feeding it by not being honest and being seemingly happy to try and get the club out of this continuous spiral by reinforcing bad practise. Seriously âŚhave you totally missed the whole jist of lords thread? You are doing what you always do thread after fucking thread and bang bang bang the same fucking drum about the same thing over and over again when itâs not even what the point of the thread is âŚ..itâs not about the owners, itâs not about the performances but you just canât grasp it can you? You are just stinking this whole place out now
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 21, 2023 7:51:00 GMT
Itâs painful isnât it. Itâs akin to your dog keeping on shitting on your living room carpet and you give him a treat for it. Thereâs no willingness to acknowledge an issue and then try to change their behaviour. âWe lost to a shit side who had one shot on target to our 20 for the 4th/5th time this season, whoâs a good boyâ. Itâs just mad to me that anyone to me would think thatâs how it should work. It reinforces that itâs ok and that they can do it again. Ultimately though we have a fanbase who wonât acknowledge the overriding issue that are the owners. And again why would they change if they donât feel the pressure to needing to? Who is telling them that they have barely got a decision right in 7/8 years? So here we are in this loop of decline owners, managers, players and fans all feeding it by not being honest and being seemingly happy to try and get the club out of this continuous spiral by reinforcing bad practise. Starting to think only relegation would finally tip it. Even then certain members of this board will defend the owners to the hilt. Pathetic. I thought that would happen last time but we got the line to sum it all up âwhatâs the fussâ. Iâm not convinced it would you know. Iâve lost faith in everything Stoke wise.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 21, 2023 7:52:12 GMT
I donât think I have. People say they wouldnât dare to call it their faces and then when they do people call them out đ One of the MAJOR reasons for our decline is YOU Bayern . Just FOUTV . Reply no doubt . But if you notice I donât reply to you as you are just a TOXIC NON SUPPORTER If you honestly believe what youâve posted youâre fucking bonkers.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 21, 2023 7:56:16 GMT
Itâs painful isnât it. Itâs akin to your dog keeping on shitting on your living room carpet and you give him a treat for it. Thereâs no willingness to acknowledge an issue and then try to change their behaviour. âWe lost to a shit side who had one shot on target to our 20 for the 4th/5th time this season, whoâs a good boyâ. Itâs just mad to me that anyone to me would think thatâs how it should work. It reinforces that itâs ok and that they can do it again. Ultimately though we have a fanbase who wonât acknowledge the overriding issue that are the owners. And again why would they change if they donât feel the pressure to needing to? Who is telling them that they have barely got a decision right in 7/8 years? So here we are in this loop of decline owners, managers, players and fans all feeding it by not being honest and being seemingly happy to try and get the club out of this continuous spiral by reinforcing bad practise. Seriously âŚhave you totally missed the whole jist of lords thread? You are doing what you always do thread after fucking thread and bang bang bang the same fucking drum about the same thing over and over again when itâs not even what the point of the thread is âŚ..itâs not about the owners, itâs not about the performances but you just canât grasp it can you? You are just stinking this whole place out now Exhibit A. I have mentioned the performances. Half of the quoted post does đ And yes it needs banging on about because absolutely nothing is changing and people need to wake the fuck up.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 21, 2023 8:04:08 GMT
Personal abuse, especially personal abuse in a very public setting isnt right. The club as a whole should receive condemnation, the team being booed can be justified, individual abuse is totally unacceptable whether people think that way or not Itâs so widespread and ingrained I think tackling it in any sort of consistent manner at football matches is nigh on impossible. Unfortunately then unless there is a very high degree of tolerance across the board you get inconsistent enforcement where abuse is just let go so long as it doesnât stray into abuse of some protected pet catergory. imo abuse is abuse is abuse, either tackle it or let it go.
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Post by knype on Feb 21, 2023 8:10:13 GMT
Seriously âŚhave you totally missed the whole jist of lords thread? You are doing what you always do thread after fucking thread and bang bang bang the same fucking drum about the same thing over and over again when itâs not even what the point of the thread is âŚ..itâs not about the owners, itâs not about the performances but you just canât grasp it can you? You are just stinking this whole place out now Exhibit A. I have mentioned the performances. Half of the quoted post does đ And yes it needs banging on about because absolutely nothing is changing and people need to wake the fuck up. Come on then oh mighty one, tell us what your plan is.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 21, 2023 8:15:09 GMT
Looking at it rationally. We are where we are because the squad of player collectively are not good enough to compete We have lost half our league games to prove it, it's not about one game Giving abuse to players will not make them play better, nor would any manager The dissatisfaction should be levelled at the people who run the club Too many people wooed by free coach trips to...well, probably Exeter next season. I'd rather pay and have a better run club. The only shock is that people are shocked. This is just a return to type under The Family Do you go to away games? That's easy to say if you don't. Personally I'd rather walk than use the official coaches but that's just my personal viewpoint they must be a Godsend for many families in particular...........
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 21, 2023 8:37:37 GMT
Too many people wooed by free coach trips to...well, probably Exeter next season. I'd rather pay and have a better run club. The only shock is that people are shocked. This is just a return to type under The Family Itâs painful isnât it. Itâs akin to your dog keeping on shitting on your living room carpet and you give him a treat for it. Thereâs no willingness to acknowledge an issue and then try to change their behaviour. âWe lost to a shit side who had one shot on target to our 20 for the 4th/5th time this season, whoâs a good boyâ. Itâs just mad to me that anyone to me would think thatâs how it should work. It reinforces that itâs ok and that they can do it again. Ultimately though we have a fanbase who wonât acknowledge the overriding issue that are the owners. And again why would they change if they donât feel the pressure to needing to? Who is telling them that they have barely got a decision right in 7/8 years? So here we are in this loop of decline owners, managers, players and fans all feeding it by not being honest and being seemingly happy to try and get the club out of this continuous spiral by reinforcing bad practise. Do you actually believe the solution to our problems is to treat the team like a bunch of incontinent dogs and abuse them into playing better? Firstly that's an appalling way to treat anyone and secondly it won't work. Its also cowardly - the abusers know they can get away with it because footballers are in the public gaze and can't react. If any of our players actually cracked and did a Cantona they'd get my support. Treat people like shit and you get what you deserve.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 21, 2023 8:40:29 GMT
Seriously âŚhave you totally missed the whole jist of lords thread? You are doing what you always do thread after fucking thread and bang bang bang the same fucking drum about the same thing over and over again when itâs not even what the point of the thread is âŚ..itâs not about the owners, itâs not about the performances but you just canât grasp it can you? You are just stinking this whole place out now Exhibit A. I have mentioned the performances. Half of the quoted post does đ And yes it needs banging on about because absolutely nothing is changing and people need to wake the fuck up. You keep banging on about it then. Is there not another medium you can do it on at least some of the time though? The ramblings of a narcissist are ok but only in moderation..........
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 21, 2023 8:48:10 GMT
Exhibit A. I have mentioned the performances. Half of the quoted post does đ And yes it needs banging on about because absolutely nothing is changing and people need to wake the fuck up. You keep banging on about it then. Is there not another medium you can do it on at least some of the time though? The ramblings of a narcissist are ok but only in moderation.......... The ramblings of someone who has been largely right and people refuse to accept it because it upsets the Apple cart.
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Post by knype on Feb 21, 2023 8:49:49 GMT
Exhibit A. I have mentioned the performances. Half of the quoted post does đ And yes it needs banging on about because absolutely nothing is changing and people need to wake the fuck up. You keep banging on about it then. Is there not another medium you can do it on at least some of the time though? The ramblings of a narcissist are ok but only in moderation.......... He does, he's the same on twitter
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Post by scfc75 on Feb 21, 2023 8:50:30 GMT
Seriously âŚhave you totally missed the whole jist of lords thread? You are doing what you always do thread after fucking thread and bang bang bang the same fucking drum about the same thing over and over again when itâs not even what the point of the thread is âŚ..itâs not about the owners, itâs not about the performances but you just canât grasp it can you? You are just stinking this whole place out now Exhibit A. I have mentioned the performances. Half of the quoted post does đ And yes it needs banging on about because absolutely nothing is changing and people need to wake the fuck up. If youâve been banging on about it for 5 or more years like you say you have, then Iâd recommend you change your approach, because youâve admitted yourself that fuck all has changed in that time. Whatâs the definition of insanity again?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 21, 2023 8:55:14 GMT
Exhibit A. I have mentioned the performances. Half of the quoted post does đ And yes it needs banging on about because absolutely nothing is changing and people need to wake the fuck up. If youâve been banging on about it for 5 or more years like you say you have, then Iâd recommend you change your approach, because youâve admitted yourself that fuck all has changed in that time. Whatâs the definition of insanity again? The evidence has proven me right though. The only thing thatâs insane is that people still donât listen.
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