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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2023 11:46:18 GMT
forgetting , as an irrelevance until the next transfer window , anybody playing for anyone else
dwight gayle is not as good as celina , jacob brown , nathan lowe or tezgel , so should never make the match day squad ever
I have given up up on Ty ' turns up when it he feels like it ' Campbell , but not everyone has , and if that is your view ...
celina , jacob brown , campbell , lowe and tezgel are all better than gayle , so he should never make the match day squad
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 19, 2023 12:32:25 GMT
That miss early doors was as bad as you will see. Professional footballer on a million quid a year. Atrocious... Pretty sure he was flagged offside on that early chance. I’ve been surprised by his work rate and horrified at his goal threat. He would have been a better option than Afobe when we got relegated and should have been avoided this season. I don’t think he should be starting again.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 19, 2023 12:34:58 GMT
How can we get rid without having to pay most of his wages? We never seem to learn, do we!?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2023 12:45:10 GMT
I think , moving forward , the best thing for player morale and supporter morale , is to reach a settlement and terminate his contract.
If he carries on playing up front for stoke, crowds are going to go 18,000 , 17,000, 16,000 ...and the club are going to end up league one
How much ? is that going to cost ?
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Post by ibby on Feb 19, 2023 19:15:25 GMT
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Post by loosestools on Feb 19, 2023 19:28:32 GMT
The next 15 games: 15*£20,000/week = £300,000 The product of this outcome of spending £300,000= square root of fuck all.
No food bank for him.
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Post by gogogadget on Feb 19, 2023 19:34:32 GMT
Desperate times. We either play the younger guys, or try to find a centre forward that’s out of contract, fit enough to come and start and capable being half decent
That second option is highly unlikely so we really need to give them a go.
Unless we were daft enough to sign sign Gayle with some clause that says he has to play if fit. Certainly feels like that
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Post by Block 26 on Feb 19, 2023 19:35:51 GMT
Gayle is not the problem, I know that he missed a couple of sitters yesterday but that’s football. For me Gayle is another Surridge… The fans moan that he’s shite, we sell him to another championship club & he scores a shed load of goals.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Feb 19, 2023 19:52:36 GMT
Desperate times. We either play the younger guys, or try to find a centre forward that’s out of contract, fit enough to come and start and capable being half decent That second option is highly unlikely so we really need to give them a go. Unless we were daft enough to sign sign Gayle with some clause that says he has to play if fit. Certainly feels like that The decision not to sign a striker in January, especially after the departure of Delap, is really going to hurt us. I like Brown, but he is not a natural goal scorer. Campbell is very much hit and miss at the moment. Gayle, who I had high hopes for when he arrived, is quickly becoming a disaster signing (if it is not already). Based on that, who else do we have to call on? A young lad (Tezgel) and a midfielder with biscuit ankles (Powell). We are really, really, REALLY short of options and forward firepower.
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Post by nonameface on Feb 19, 2023 20:00:53 GMT
Now he's lost his pace, he now feels more like a second striker than a poacher. His touch and understanding of the game is there, he's also prepared to put the yards in, but he just isn't as dynamic as he once was.
Good player for the youngsters to learn from and would be good in a CAM of a diamond formation.
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Post by loosestools on Feb 19, 2023 20:01:16 GMT
Gayle is not the problem, I know that he missed a couple of sitters yesterday but that’s football. For me Gayle is another Surridge… The fans moan that he’s shite, we sell him to another championship club & he scores a shed load of goals. Gayle is exactly the problem. He was brought in as a prolific striker- he has either lost the plot, just too old, or too complacent and thick skinned. I wonder what the other players really think of him? He does not do what it says on the tin!
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Post by thepottypotter on Feb 19, 2023 20:19:38 GMT
How can we get rid without having to pay most of his wages? We never seem to learn, do we!? Maybe loan him out somewhere to minimise how much we are losing paying his wages?
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Post by thepottypotter on Feb 19, 2023 20:21:14 GMT
Desperate times. We either play the younger guys, or try to find a centre forward that’s out of contract, fit enough to come and start and capable being half decent That second option is highly unlikely so we really need to give them a go. Unless we were daft enough to sign sign Gayle with some clause that says he has to play if fit. Certainly feels like that The decision not to sign a striker in January, especially after the departure of Delap, is really going to hurt us. I like Brown, but he is not a natural goal scorer. Campbell is very much hit and miss at the moment. Gayle, who I had high hopes for when he arrived, is quickly becoming a disaster signing (if it is not already). Based on that, who else do we have to call on? A young lad (Tezgel) and a midfielder with biscuit ankles (Powell). We are really, really, REALLY short of options and forward firepower. I think that in terms of our forwards, we are at a Lowe point.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 19, 2023 20:25:27 GMT
How can we get rid without having to pay most of his wages? We never seem to learn, do we!? Maybe loan him out somewhere to minimise how much we are losing paying his wages? Will there be any takers after watching him play this season?
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Post by Block 26 on Feb 19, 2023 20:40:33 GMT
Gayle is not the problem, I know that he missed a couple of sitters yesterday but that’s football. For me Gayle is another Surridge… The fans moan that he’s shite, we sell him to another championship club & he scores a shed load of goals. Gayle is exactly the problem. He was brought in as a prolific striker- he has either lost the plot, just too old, or too complacent and thick skinned. I wonder what the other players really think of him? He does not do what it says on the tin! Did Surridge & Afobe do what it says on the tin in a stoke shirt? I recall Surridge missing a hat full of sitters which were literally tap ins. But they both managed to score plenty of goals elsewhere, as would Gayle if he leaves. The club is jinxed.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 19, 2023 21:02:39 GMT
Understandable an easy target for collective failures. Yes he missed an excellent chance yesterday.
In some form of defence of Gayle how has he had a successful goal scoring career, was it down to playing with better players who created chances? How many chances do we create for our strikers?
Listening to Dicko’s after match comments on Radio Stoke against Huddersfield he was extremely complimentary about Gayle’s performance, his movement off the ball, his pressing and workrate. An alternative view from an x pro footballer!!
I “think” our top goal scorer has scored 6 this season. If correct does that stat explain a horrible wider picture of our failures as a team and management
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Post by shrewspotter on Feb 19, 2023 21:42:03 GMT
There were 30 crosses in for the strikers yesterday, Gayle played centrally so he was part of the problem
The way I see it is that he no longer makes the near post runs he did for Palace, West Brom and Newcastle. When we played West Brom and he scored a few years back he looked sharp, he looks anything but now
It worries me when I hear people say he's had to adapt his game as he's got older, in lehmann terms this means his pace and sharpness has gone, and as that was what Gayle was all about the end result is 1 (fortunate) goal in 25 appearances.
Sorry but he's not good enough, carry on with him and there's one place we are going
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 19, 2023 22:05:33 GMT
There were 30 crosses in for the strikers yesterday, Gayle played centrally so he was part of the problem The way I see it is that he no longer makes the near post runs he did for Palace, West Brom and Newcastle. When we played West Brom and he scored a few years back he looked sharp, he looks anything but now It worries me when I hear people say he's had to adapt his game as he's got older, in lehmann terms this means his pace and sharpness has gone, and as that was what Gayle was all about the end result is 1 (fortunate) goal in 25 appearances. Sorry but he's not good enough, carry on with him and there's one place we are going I don’t know if there were 30 crosses or not yesterday. It’s not the number of, it’s the quality of the crosses that is important. Did they create opportunities for players to capitalise on? In the context of Gayle what type cross would he have an opportunity to thrive upon, and what % of the crosses provided provided that opportunity. How many other players didn’t take advantage of the 30 crosses, and why not? Its been a general problem all season (with the odd exception) that quality “crosses” have been at a premium.
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Post by onionman on Feb 19, 2023 22:08:46 GMT
There were 30 crosses in for the strikers yesterday, Gayle played centrally so he was part of the problem The way I see it is that he no longer makes the near post runs he did for Palace, West Brom and Newcastle. When we played West Brom and he scored a few years back he looked sharp, he looks anything but now It worries me when I hear people say he's had to adapt his game as he's got older, in lehmann terms this means his pace and sharpness has gone, and as that was what Gayle was all about the end result is 1 (fortunate) goal in 25 appearances. Sorry but he's not good enough, carry on with him and there's one place we are going Yes, exactly. He runs to the back post where he knows the ball will never go. Absolute coward of a player.
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Post by nonameface on Feb 19, 2023 22:10:22 GMT
There were 30 crosses in for the strikers yesterday, Gayle played centrally so he was part of the problem The way I see it is that he no longer makes the near post runs he did for Palace, West Brom and Newcastle. When we played West Brom and he scored a few years back he looked sharp, he looks anything but now It worries me when I hear people say he's had to adapt his game as he's got older, in lehmann terms this means his pace and sharpness has gone, and as that was what Gayle was all about the end result is 1 (fortunate) goal in 25 appearances. Sorry but he's not good enough, carry on with him and there's one place we are going I don’t know if there were 30 crosses or not yesterday. It’s not the number of, it’s the quality of the crosses that is important. Did they create opportunities for players to capitalise on? In the context of Gayle what type cross would he have an opportunity to thrive upon, and what % of the crosses provided provided that opportunity. How many other players didn’t take advantage of the 30 crosses, and why not? Its been a general problem all season (with the odd exception) that quality “crosses” have been at a premium. The chances of scoring from crosses looks low for any team and you have to wonder if there is any point in it. It's probably better to dribble into the box or to shoot.
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Post by shrewspotter on Feb 19, 2023 22:32:33 GMT
There were 30 crosses in for the strikers yesterday, Gayle played centrally so he was part of the problem The way I see it is that he no longer makes the near post runs he did for Palace, West Brom and Newcastle. When we played West Brom and he scored a few years back he looked sharp, he looks anything but now It worries me when I hear people say he's had to adapt his game as he's got older, in lehmann terms this means his pace and sharpness has gone, and as that was what Gayle was all about the end result is 1 (fortunate) goal in 25 appearances. Sorry but he's not good enough, carry on with him and there's one place we are going I don’t know if there were 30 crosses or not yesterday. It’s not the number of, it’s the quality of the crosses that is important. Did they create opportunities for players to capitalise on? In the context of Gayle what type cross would he have an opportunity to thrive upon, and what % of the crosses provided provided that opportunity. How many other players didn’t take advantage of the 30 crosses, and why not? Its been a general problem all season (with the odd exception) that quality “crosses” have been at a premium. 35 to be exact. It was a mixture of the usual, some over hit, some went on the floor, some were good, some were from the by line, some from Fox and Sterling from deeper. However unless my memory is wrong Gayle didn't attack any of them. As Onionman says he either went back post or inexplicably held back around the penalty spot
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 19, 2023 22:54:05 GMT
Gayle is exactly the problem. He was brought in as a prolific striker- he has either lost the plot, just too old, or too complacent and thick skinned. I wonder what the other players really think of him? He does not do what it says on the tin! Did Surridge & Afobe do what it says on the tin in a stoke shirt? I recall Surridge missing a hat full of sitters which were literally tap ins. But they both managed to score plenty of goals elsewhere, as would Gayle if he leaves. The club is jinxed. Has Surridge scored plenty of goals? 7 last season and 1 this season. He's never got into double figures in a season so far in his career.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 19, 2023 23:05:49 GMT
I don’t know if there were 30 crosses or not yesterday. It’s not the number of, it’s the quality of the crosses that is important. Did they create opportunities for players to capitalise on? In the context of Gayle what type cross would he have an opportunity to thrive upon, and what % of the crosses provided provided that opportunity. How many other players didn’t take advantage of the 30 crosses, and why not? Its been a general problem all season (with the odd exception) that quality “crosses” have been at a premium. 35 to be exact. It was a mixture of the usual, some over hit, some went on the floor, some were good, some were from the by line, some from Fox and Sterling from deeper. However unless my memory is wrong Gayle didn't attack any of them. As Onionman says he either went back post or inexplicably held back around the penalty spot One of the problems re Gayle is that very few Stoke supporters would have actually watched him play regularly, only seeing live or recorded snippets during his heyday. Opinions/comments not taking into account the types of systems that he thrived in, the quality of players around him, his own particular strengths and weaknesses. Taking his age into account are we actually playing to his strengths? Something I couldn’t answer. He certainly doesn’t hide in games or shirk responsibility etc. Theres a common denominator this season, none of our strikers have been at the races. There must be a common problem yet to be solved by management
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Post by wearepremierleague on Feb 20, 2023 12:35:33 GMT
Gayle is exactly the problem. He was brought in as a prolific striker- he has either lost the plot, just too old, or too complacent and thick skinned. I wonder what the other players really think of him? He does not do what it says on the tin! Did Surridge & Afobe do what it says on the tin in a stoke shirt? I recall Surridge missing a hat full of sitters which were literally tap ins. But they both managed to score plenty of goals elsewhere, as would Gayle if he leaves. The club is jinxed. Surridge scored the same amount of goals as Gayle has this season on his debut sub appearance for us
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Post by wrexhamstokie90 on Feb 20, 2023 12:43:41 GMT
Him an Campbell need be dropped indefinitely
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 20, 2023 15:13:12 GMT
How can we get rid without having to pay most of his wages? We never seem to learn, do we!? We can’t who else would pay them. Who else would sign a player who’d barely played for 3 years and agree to pay them top dollar for that level guaranteed for two years.
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Post by eriksson74 on Feb 20, 2023 16:00:19 GMT
35 to be exact. It was a mixture of the usual, some over hit, some went on the floor, some were good, some were from the by line, some from Fox and Sterling from deeper. However unless my memory is wrong Gayle didn't attack any of them. As Onionman says he either went back post or inexplicably held back around the penalty spot One of the problems re Gayle is that very few Stoke supporters would have actually watched him play regularly, only seeing live or recorded snippets during his heyday. Opinions/comments not taking into account the types of systems that he thrived in, the quality of players around him, his own particular strengths and weaknesses. Taking his age into account are we actually playing to his strengths? Something I couldn’t answer. He certainly doesn’t hide in games or shirk responsibility etc. Theres a common denominator this season, none of our strikers have been at the races. There must be a common problem yet to be solved by management He's certainly changed his game, which is not unusual as age reduces pace, and I see him in the side for his knowledge and experience and for me he helps with the press, plays outside the box and does his fair share of link play and creation of chances eg Left corner, chased down and great ball into the box for Brown against Huddersfield. His finishing has been woeful, but he's in good company for that !!
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 20, 2023 16:13:36 GMT
Could he do a decent job anywhere else in the side, seeing his goal scoring days are well behind him?
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 20, 2023 23:29:05 GMT
Could he do a decent job anywhere else in the side, seeing his goal scoring days are well behind him? I think if there is any kind of role for him now, an inverted No 10 role behind a main striker or as a double No 10 pivot (perhaps alongside Celina or Powell) might suit him best. He does have a strong worth ethic, so can maybe do some of the graft while the other No 10 creates chances for the striker. In any case, at 33 years old Dwight should not be considered a regular starter and more of an option off the bench.
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 21, 2023 22:49:37 GMT
Did far better tonight than Saturday so fair play, but sadly he’s deteriorating rapidly. He looks like he’s about to collapse and is all shaky. I know that’s because he’s getting on has run his bollocks off, but I think we need to be looking at other options for the rest of the season.
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