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Post by lordb on Feb 21, 2023 22:54:09 GMT
Unlucky with that header but fluffed a simple chance first half been pleased with his work rate and has had some really good games but at the end of the day he was signed to score goals, as such he's failed Missed a lot of easy chances lately
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 21, 2023 22:58:01 GMT
He works so hard, but still it looks like he couldn't score in a brothel!
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 21, 2023 22:58:24 GMT
The standout weak link as it sits currently.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 21, 2023 23:03:48 GMT
The standout weak link as it sits currently. For most games, yes. He was a big part in shutting them down today though. At 1-0, they could have easily slowed it down and killed it. Defending from the front is a sure fire way to hurt Swansea and he did that very well.
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 21, 2023 23:06:07 GMT
He seems decent workrate wise and also as an outlet for slowing the game down and breaking up play when we are ahead.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 21, 2023 23:13:30 GMT
The standout weak link as it sits currently. Seems yours and that ultracrepidarian (google it) that likes you post is completely opposite to the managers views.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Feb 22, 2023 0:34:22 GMT
The standout weak link as it sits currently. Seems yours and that ultracrepidarian (google it) that likes you post is completely opposite to the managers views. Needlessly patronising. Also, it doesn’t make people wrong that the manager views it differently to 99% of the fanbase. It’s the general consensus that he’s not been good enough for us, yet he still gets games. Fair enough he works hard but doesn’t score which he was signed to do. Misses chances far too regularly so hopefully it’s a case of seeing out the season with him then going our separate ways somehow.
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 22, 2023 0:45:29 GMT
Seems yours and that ultracrepidarian (google it) that likes you post is completely opposite to the managers views. Needlessly patronising. Also, it doesn’t make people wrong that the manager views it differently to 99% of the fanbase. It’s the general consensus that he’s not been good enough for us, yet he still gets games. Fair enough he works hard but doesn’t score which he was signed to do. Misses chances far too regularly so hopefully it’s a case of seeing out the season with him then going our separate ways somehow. Absolutely..A large percentage of the fanbase thought we needed a functional defensive midfielder, which was something the last few managers seemed to think wasn't necessary, it seems. The manager was wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 0:48:14 GMT
He works so hard, but still it looks like he couldn't score in a brothel! It's really weird because he used to be so clinical. I think it may be like the 'yips' for a golfer where he develops a mental problem over putting. Maybe he needs to consult a sports psychologist. I know he has lost his pace but he should still be able to finish when the chances do come. It's as if he freezes. I sort of feel sorry for him more than annoyed.
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Post by newyorkpotter2 on Feb 22, 2023 3:17:41 GMT
It's not really a matter of him "freezing" I fear .. he runs and harries and hassles very well .. but he seems to have no agility whatsoever when it comes to moving himself/changing his body structure in a goalscoring situation ... It's heartbreaking ... I thought he was going to be our best players this season but he continually disappoints ... It's as if he is scared He has been pivotal in chasing things down/running ... but give me the five minutes of Lowe over Gayle any day
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 22, 2023 8:06:15 GMT
He works so hard, but still it looks like he couldn't score in a brothel! It's really weird because he used to be so clinical. I think it may be like the 'yips' for a golfer where he develops a mental problem over putting. Maybe he needs to consult a sports psychologist. I know he has lost his pace but he should still be able to finish when the chances do come. It's as if he freezes. I sort of feel sorry for him more than annoyed. Despite his workrate he is slow and small, so we really need another option up front.
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Post by Veritas on Feb 22, 2023 8:16:57 GMT
He works so hard, but still it looks like he couldn't score in a brothel! It's really weird because he used to be so clinical. I think it may be like the 'yips' for a golfer where he develops a mental problem over putting. Maybe he needs to consult a sports psychologist. I know he has lost his pace but he should still be able to finish when the chances do come. It's as if he freezes. I sort of feel sorry for him more than annoyed. It is even stranger when you look at how well he put away those disallowed goals at the start of the season.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 22, 2023 8:31:20 GMT
Rewatched the highlights a few times and that miss of his is genuinely baffling.
He’s only got to make a connection to a loose ball and it’s in the net yet he manages to somehow spanner it off his ankle and then instead of challenging for the rebound he just stands there as if he’s gone into standby.
His instincts have 100% deserted him it seems.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 8:35:46 GMT
It's really weird because he used to be so clinical. I think it may be like the 'yips' for a golfer where he develops a mental problem over putting. Maybe he needs to consult a sports psychologist. I know he has lost his pace but he should still be able to finish when the chances do come. It's as if he freezes. I sort of feel sorry for him more than annoyed. Despite his workrate he is slow and small, so we really need another option up front. He will have to do until the summer unless we can get the extra points we need for safety quickly. If that happens we should be able to give one of the young guns some meaningful minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 8:40:12 GMT
Rewatched the highlights a few times and that miss of his is genuinely baffling. He’s only got to make a connection to a loose ball and it’s in the net yet he manages to somehow spanner it off his ankle and then instead of challenging for the rebound he just stands there as if he’s gone into standby. His instincts have 100% deserted him it seems. That's why I think it's psychological. He's 33 not geriatric.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 22, 2023 8:42:05 GMT
Despite his workrate he is slow and small, so we really need another option up front. He will have to do until the summer unless we can get the extra points we need for safety quickly. If that happens we should be able to give one of the young guns some meaningful minutes. Really hope so!
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Post by owdestokie2 on Feb 22, 2023 10:28:56 GMT
Seems yours and that ultracrepidarian (google it) that likes you post is completely opposite to the managers views. Needlessly patronising. Also, it doesn’t make people wrong that the manager views it differently to 99% of the fanbase. It’s the general consensus that he’s not been good enough for us, yet he still gets games. Fair enough he works hard but doesn’t score which he was signed to do. Misses chances far too regularly so hopefully it’s a case of seeing out the season with him then going our separate ways somehow. “Needlessly Patronising”………? The individual going for the Guinness book of records for the number of posts, the same who call others who don’t agree as “happy clappers” 99% of the fan base? Managers do make mistakes(generally during a match) but such are highlighted afterwards, hindsight. The current manager continually picks Gayle based upon his professional knowledge of football, analytical match day stats, his ability to carry out instructions and watching him in training day in day out. I know who’s opinion I would consider most accurate.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Feb 22, 2023 11:40:24 GMT
Needlessly patronising. Also, it doesn’t make people wrong that the manager views it differently to 99% of the fanbase. It’s the general consensus that he’s not been good enough for us, yet he still gets games. Fair enough he works hard but doesn’t score which he was signed to do. Misses chances far too regularly so hopefully it’s a case of seeing out the season with him then going our separate ways somehow. “Needlessly Patronising”………? The individual going for the Guinness book of records for the number of posts, the same who call others who don’t agree as “happy clappers” 99% of the fan base? Managers do make mistakes(generally during a match) but such are highlighted afterwards, hindsight. The current manager continually picks Gayle based upon his professional knowledge of football, analytical match day stats, his ability to carry out instructions and watching him in training day in day out. I know who’s opinion I would consider most accurate. You didn’t have to use a word and then say “google it,” assuming you’re the only one who would know that word. So what if somebody is active on here, he at least makes points to do with football unlike whatever this is? Obviously I haven’t done an entire survey on it but more often than not Stoke fans I talk to don’t want Gayle in the side anymore, having given him more than a fair shot. I agree that Neil knows more than us about the game but that doesn’t mean to say he’s correct in every call he makes. Everybody can’t be wrong in wanting Gayle dropped.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Feb 22, 2023 12:08:01 GMT
With Delap gone, Tezgel injured, Nathan Lowe inexperienced and Powell still out, I'm not surprised we're still playing Gayle. He does some things very well and I think the confidence has drained out of him. It was there early season when he was 'scoring' but he wobbles at the death. For his sake as much as ours I'd love him to notch one that's not off his bum.
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Post by skip on Feb 22, 2023 12:10:36 GMT
Everybody can’t be wrong in wanting Gayle dropped. I'm beyond disappointed at his lack of goals, but presumably AN sees other strengths to his game that are worth focussing upon, rather than the weakness, which yes, scoring goals, is what he was signed for. But if his other skills - he's clearly an intelligent and highly experienced footballer - enable others to score, or reduce the likelihood of defeat (I'm mansplaining competitive sport to myself, not you), then from AN's perspective at least, there are more reasons to play him often than not to.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 12:27:21 GMT
“Needlessly Patronising”………? The individual going for the Guinness book of records for the number of posts, the same who call others who don’t agree as “happy clappers” 99% of the fan base? Managers do make mistakes(generally during a match) but such are highlighted afterwards, hindsight. The current manager continually picks Gayle based upon his professional knowledge of football, analytical match day stats, his ability to carry out instructions and watching him in training day in day out. I know who’s opinion I would consider most accurate. You didn’t have to use a word and then say “google it,” assuming you’re the only one who would know that word. So what if somebody is active on here, he at least makes points to do with football unlike whatever this is? Obviously I haven’t done an entire survey on it but more often than not Stoke fans I talk to don’t want Gayle in the side anymore, having given him more than a efair shot. I agree that Neil knows more than us about the game but that doesn’t mean to say he’s correct in every call he makes. Everybody can’t be wrong in wanting Gayle dropped. He would drop him if he had a viable alternative. Tezgel and Lowe are both 17 and in Lowe's case not even a regular in the u21s so it is a massive leap for either to lead the line in a relegation battle. How many 17 year olds feature regularly in the top leagues? You get the odd freak of nature like Rooney or Bellingham but these are absolutely elite players and are very few and far between. Our best bet is to get six or seven more points on the board asap and give Tezgel a few starts before the end of the campaign.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Feb 22, 2023 17:17:27 GMT
You didn’t have to use a word and then say “google it,” assuming you’re the only one who would know that word. So what if somebody is active on here, he at least makes points to do with football unlike whatever this is? Obviously I haven’t done an entire survey on it but more often than not Stoke fans I talk to don’t want Gayle in the side anymore, having given him more than a efair shot. I agree that Neil knows more than us about the game but that doesn’t mean to say he’s correct in every call he makes. Everybody can’t be wrong in wanting Gayle dropped. He would drop him if he had a viable alternative. Tezgel and Lowe are both 17 and in Lowe's case not even a regular in the u21s so it is a massive leap for either to lead the line in a relegation battle. How many 17 year olds feature regularly in the top leagues? You get the odd freak of nature like Rooney or Bellingham but these are absolutely elite players and are very few and far between. Our best bet is to get six or seven more points on the board asap and give Tezgel a few starts before the end of the campaign. Just highlights the atrociousness of not signing a striker in January and letting one go. Not saying Delap was the answer, but he was an alternative at least. I don’t disagree with letting him go if we have one in. Although 8 loans would have been beyond absurd.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Feb 22, 2023 17:19:48 GMT
Everybody can’t be wrong in wanting Gayle dropped. I'm beyond disappointed at his lack of goals, but presumably AN sees other strengths to his game that are worth focussing upon, rather than the weakness, which yes, scoring goals, is what he was signed for. But if his other skills - he's clearly an intelligent and highly experienced footballer - enable others to score, or reduce the likelihood of defeat (I'm mansplaining competitive sport to myself, not you), then from AN's perspective at least, there are more reasons to play him often than not to. But it really highlights why we should have signed a striker. Because a striker should score goals above all else and he misses chance after chance after chance.
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Post by march4 on Feb 22, 2023 17:47:12 GMT
I'm beyond disappointed at his lack of goals, but presumably AN sees other strengths to his game that are worth focussing upon, rather than the weakness, which yes, scoring goals, is what he was signed for. But if his other skills - he's clearly an intelligent and highly experienced footballer - enable others to score, or reduce the likelihood of defeat (I'm mansplaining competitive sport to myself, not you), then from AN's perspective at least, there are more reasons to play him often than not to. But it really highlights why we should have signed a striker. Because a striker should score goals above all else and he misses chance after chance after chance. Mama Sidibe?
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Post by thepottypotter on Feb 22, 2023 17:50:39 GMT
To sum up Gayle’s finishing, I will let you all rearrange this sentence using these words:
barn a He cow’s door with hit arse couldn’t a
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Post by st3mark on Feb 22, 2023 18:00:39 GMT
Not done his job in scoring goals but last night if there was no Gayle we would not have won that match.
He fought, fouled, pressed and challenged across every single blade of grass.
He's had some bad games of late but last night he gave everything he had. That's what will keep us out of the relegation battle.
I'll be interested in seeing Lowe and more so Tezgel develop at the club but whilst we've got seasoned pros like Gayle at the club I wouldn't want to see the manager risk our championship status playing roulette with players like Lowe who nobody really knows anything about.
Lowe and Tezgel should be coming on in games when we are 2-0 up to test themselves, not be used as a plan A. If Gayle plays like he did last night the team will get goals. The lack of changes due to gayle, Brown and campbell being the only forwards available is starting to develop a bit of chemistry.
Only a bit mind.
The team should stay the same for the next few matches other than bringing Tuanzebe in if he is fit. I'd sadly forget celina until Tymon is back fit because of the loan shambles.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Feb 22, 2023 18:18:04 GMT
It's really weird because he used to be so clinical. I think it may be like the 'yips' for a golfer where he develops a mental problem over putting. Maybe he needs to consult a sports psychologist. I know he has lost his pace but he should still be able to finish when the chances do come. It's as if he freezes. I sort of feel sorry for him more than annoyed. It is even stranger when you look at how well he put away those disallowed goals at the start of the season. One of those counting could've been the difference between where he is now and being in double figures.
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Post by onepara on Feb 22, 2023 18:20:24 GMT
To sum up Gayle’s finishing, I will let you all rearrange this sentence using these words: barn a He cow’s door with hit arse couldn’t a That's clever. How did you think of that? Very creative.
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Post by chigstoke on Feb 22, 2023 18:21:04 GMT
To sum up Gayle’s finishing, I will let you all rearrange this sentence using these words: barn a He cow’s door with hit arse couldn’t a Got it, easy Cow's Arse Hit A Door Barn With A Couldn't He
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Feb 22, 2023 18:21:28 GMT
I'm beyond disappointed at his lack of goals, but presumably AN sees other strengths to his game that are worth focussing upon, rather than the weakness, which yes, scoring goals, is what he was signed for. But if his other skills - he's clearly an intelligent and highly experienced footballer - enable others to score, or reduce the likelihood of defeat (I'm mansplaining competitive sport to myself, not you), then from AN's perspective at least, there are more reasons to play him often than not to. But it really highlights why we should have signed a striker. Because a striker should score goals above all else and he misses chance after chance after chance. Perfect transfer windows rarely happen though. I would've picked Sarkic and Pearson over a big striker. I still think it could click for Gayle between now and the end of the season. He often plays well without scoring, and the fact we're scoring more goals than we have for a while should hopefully take the pressure off that side of his game.
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