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Post by theonlooker on Feb 13, 2023 6:47:49 GMT
Pointless question and pointless thread which helps nothing and nobody (sorry OP). MON got the sack and that's the end of it.
We need to concentrate on the current situation.
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Post by dwr17477 on Feb 13, 2023 6:52:10 GMT
MON win ratio was 38.46% Neil's win ratio is 34.78% To find a higher win ratio that MON we have to go back to Gudjon. I think MON would have done better with this squad slightly. I'm hopeful that Neil will produce next season with his own squad. I had a lot of patience with MON because he has kept the club afloat and not spent a penny that he didn't generate from sales. And still managed to have the best win ratio for 20 years. Ultimately he had to go because it had become so boring that he had lost the fans. I was hoping for more from Neil results wise so far but he has promoted teams before so clearly knows what it takes. Sticking with him for now. The club needs some consistency so that someone can build something. This is all relative, though. Gudjon all in the third tier, MON in the second. The win ratios in the Prem are lower purely on the league we were playing in. I know I'd prefer a lower win ratio in a higher league and hope to build on it.
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 13, 2023 6:54:31 GMT
No- I think we'd have been pretty much in the same position we are now.
MON should have gone at the end of last season. Ridiculous decision to do what we did.
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Post by werrington on Feb 13, 2023 7:05:46 GMT
Take away his first season Michael O’Neill was a disaster for SCFC
His transfer windows were backed to the hilt yet it’s been utter garbage for his three years bar the odd match
Are people already rewriting history in regards this season?…Millwall away,Huddersfield away,Morecambe ( yes fucking Morecambe ) away, Middlesbrough at home, Sunderland at home and thats before we mention the fact he should of gone following last seasons debacle ( or the one before that )
We were a shambles under Michael O’Neill
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Post by biddulphchav on Feb 13, 2023 7:09:40 GMT
Doesn’t matter but I think it would have been close to what we’ve done so far this season, maybe slightly better.
Neither of them have got this squad of players playing to their potential IMO. Can’t really judge Neil until he’s had a bit more time and we are in transition with so many contracts expiring in the summer. Going to be a big season for us next year and I get the feeling it will be a rollercoaster 🎢
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 13, 2023 7:29:19 GMT
Take away his first season Michael O’Neill was a disaster for SCFC His transfer windows were backed to the hilt yet it’s been utter garbage for his three years bar the odd match Are people already rewriting history in regards this season?…Millwall away,Huddersfield away,Morecambe ( yes fucking Morecambe ) away, Middlesbrough at home, Sunderland at home and thats before we mention the fact he should of gone following last seasons debacle ( or the one before that ) We were a shambles under Michael O’Neill Disaster? Backed to the hilt? Wow.
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Post by werrington on Feb 13, 2023 7:44:42 GMT
Take away his first season Michael O’Neill was a disaster for SCFC His transfer windows were backed to the hilt yet it’s been utter garbage for his three years bar the odd match Are people already rewriting history in regards this season?…Millwall away,Huddersfield away,Morecambe ( yes fucking Morecambe ) away, Middlesbrough at home, Sunderland at home and thats before we mention the fact he should of gone following last seasons debacle ( or the one before that ) We were a shambles under Michael O’Neill Disaster? Backed to the hilt? Wow. Yes and yes ….just as every manager has been here The quality of player he brought to the club was probably the envy of 95% of the championship , go on have a look at his squads after EVERY window he was here even given for the wankers he had to rid the club of His football was rancid just as his tactics were rancid In short his teams bored me utterly shitless season after season
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 13, 2023 8:13:36 GMT
Disaster? Backed to the hilt? Wow. Yes and yes ….just as every manager has been here The quality of player he brought to the club was probably the envy of 95% of the championship , go on have a look at his squads after EVERY window he was here even given for the wankers he had to rid the club of His football was rancid just as his tactics were rancid In short his teams bored me utterly shitless season after season The envy of 95% of the Championship yet AN has done nothing to improve us or a single individual in the team as yet. Which was of course the original question. Rancid? Pure hyperbole…….
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 13, 2023 8:14:46 GMT
No.
We’re not in a false position. The squad put together by MON is just really that bad and key players like Powell and Tymon can’t stay fit at all.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 13, 2023 8:15:08 GMT
Yes and yes ….just as every manager has been here The quality of player he brought to the club was probably the envy of 95% of the championship , go on have a look at his squads after EVERY window he was here even given for the wankers he had to rid the club of His football was rancid just as his tactics were rancid In short his teams bored me utterly shitless season after season The envy of 95% of the Championship yet AN has done nothing to improve us or a single individual in the team as yet. Which was of course the original question. Rancid? Pure hyperbole……. Is it fair to say you were a big fan of MON overall, Prestwich?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 13, 2023 8:15:59 GMT
Take away his first season Michael O’Neill was a disaster for SCFC His transfer windows were backed to the hilt yet it’s been utter garbage for his three years bar the odd match Are people already rewriting history in regards this season?…Millwall away,Huddersfield away,Morecambe ( yes fucking Morecambe ) away, Middlesbrough at home, Sunderland at home and thats before we mention the fact he should of gone following last seasons debacle ( or the one before that ) We were a shambles under Michael O’Neill 174 points in a 128 games is not something I’d call a disaster mate and backed to the hilt🤔🤣really?A fit Souttar last season and we’d have been amongst it for me and this weekend last season I had real hope also after playing so well at Forest.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 13, 2023 8:36:32 GMT
Take away his first season Michael O’Neill was a disaster for SCFC His transfer windows were backed to the hilt yet it’s been utter garbage for his three years bar the odd match Are people already rewriting history in regards this season?…Millwall away,Huddersfield away,Morecambe ( yes fucking Morecambe ) away, Middlesbrough at home, Sunderland at home and thats before we mention the fact he should of gone following last seasons debacle ( or the one before that ) We were a shambles under Michael O’Neill 174 points in a 128 games is not something I’d call a disaster mate and backed to the hilt🤔🤣really?A fit Souttar last season and we’d have been amongst it for me and this weekend last season I had real hope also after playing so well at Forest. But you don’t live in the real world.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 13, 2023 8:36:48 GMT
The envy of 95% of the Championship yet AN has done nothing to improve us or a single individual in the team as yet. Which was of course the original question. Rancid? Pure hyperbole……. Is it fair to say you were a big fan of MON overall, Prestwich? I liked him as a bloke and looking at the overall picture on the back of Rowett and Jones I’d rate the job he did as 7/10. It can’t just be about the product on the pitch when a club is nosediving with serious financial issues on the horizon even though ultimately that’s what the majority of fans care about at 3 o clock on a Saturday. As always it’s a difficult debate as no one ever knows what the alternative would have brought but without him I could quite easily see us languishing in mid-table in League One now. Did we kick on like I would have liked? No, although I never saw us as anymore than a team finishing upper/low mid-table. Did he make mistakes tactically and with recruitment? Of course but without knowing the inner workings it’s difficult to know how many players were his number one targets and how many were a bi-product of our situation. Did he improve players? Yes, Tymon was cast aside and would now bring in a healthy transfer fee, the Souttar was handled perfectly and has brought us in good money, Baker was in the doldrums and played really well in the main under him and would again bring us in good money. Powell was a mainstay and even out on the left in a 4-3-3 (a pet hate of yours) was a real goal scoring threat for us. Campbell had one foot out of the door, and wouldn’t be here without MON. Tezgel’s parents have mentioned the role he played in ensuring he stayed. Did we lose key players at key times? Absolutely, the loss of Souttar and Powell last season derailed our season I’m convinced of that. If you think back to that West Brom home game and games such as Forest at home/Swansea away we looked like a proper team with a plan. Fletcher sliding into the advertising hoardings, Campbell against Cardiff when he looked like a top Championship forward, were all a proper kick in the balls. The club has never be healthier in terms of youth development, MON played his part in that by promoting youngsters, FFP had been avoided (partly thanks to Covid I would suggest) and we should be able to look forward finally this summer and have a clean slate. Sometimes a a manager does the dirty work that helps the club move forward and other reap the rewards, I think history will judge MON’s tenure kindly.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 13, 2023 8:41:15 GMT
Pointless question and pointless thread which helps nothing and nobody (sorry OP). MON got the sack and that's the end of it. We need to concentrate on the current situation. You can do both on a message board mate if you so wish (it’s cool that you don’t), we’re just chewing the fat on a slow Monday morning…..
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 13, 2023 8:41:20 GMT
Take away his first season Michael O’Neill was a disaster for SCFC His transfer windows were backed to the hilt yet it’s been utter garbage for his three years bar the odd match Are people already rewriting history in regards this season?…Millwall away,Huddersfield away,Morecambe ( yes fucking Morecambe ) away, Middlesbrough at home, Sunderland at home and thats before we mention the fact he should of gone following last seasons debacle ( or the one before that ) We were a shambles under Michael O’Neill 174 points in a 128 games is not something I’d call a disaster mate and backed to the hilt🤔🤣really?A fit Souttar last season and we’d have been amongst it for me and this weekend last season I had real hope also after playing so well at Forest. That Forest performance was probably one of our best performances since we've been relegated - with a 4-3-3 too. No idea where that came from. Things were briefly looking up, coming after the DWP Hull game and a comfortable Swansea home win. Philogene-Bidace was looking the part. And then.......nothing. We always had the capability of producing a really controlled, impressive away display once every 7-8 weeks which temporarily made you forget the previous 6 weeks of mind-numbing rubbish
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 13, 2023 8:50:47 GMT
174 points in a 128 games is not something I’d call a disaster mate and backed to the hilt🤔🤣really?A fit Souttar last season and we’d have been amongst it for me and this weekend last season I had real hope also after playing so well at Forest. That Forest performance was probably one of our best performances since we've been relegated - with a 4-3-3 too. No idea where that came from. Things were briefly looking up, coming after the DWP Hull game and a comfortable Swansea home win. Philogene-Bidace was looking the part. And then.......nothing. We always had the capability of producing a really controlled, impressive away display once every 7-8 weeks which temporarily made you forget the previous 6 weeks of mind-numbing rubbish We never got the balance right between attack and defence right at home last season after Souttar’s injury, that was the biggest disappointment although I’d argue it’s probably one of the most difficult tasks as a coach/manager to get right. Teams that sat back and soaked up pressure were always an Achilles heel as the games turned attritional. When teams came at us we looked a good team, even Fulham at home where we fell short the outcome should be have been different. Away from home we shot ourselves in the foot so many times. Sheff Utd, Bristol City, Peterborough, Preston, Forest should have seen us come away with a lot more points. I always felt it was small margins and we weren’t far away from clicking but alas we never quite made that next step……
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 13, 2023 9:01:21 GMT
Is it fair to say you were a big fan of MON overall, Prestwich? I liked him as a bloke and looking at the overall picture on the back of Rowett and Jones I’d rate the job he did as 7/10. It can’t just be about the product on the pitch when a club is nosediving with serious financial issues on the horizon even though ultimately that’s what the majority of fans care about at 3 o clock on a Saturday. As always it’s a difficult debate as no one ever knows what the alternative would have brought but without him I could quite easily see us languishing in mid-table in League One now. Did we kick on like I would have liked? No, although I never saw us as anymore than a team finishing upper/low mid-table. Did he make mistakes tactically and with recruitment? Of course but without knowing the inner workings it’s difficult to know how many players were his number one targets and how many were a bi-product of our situation. Did he improve players? Yes, Tymon was cast aside and would now bring in a healthy transfer fee, the Souttar was handled perfectly and has brought us in good money, Baker was in the doldrums and played really well in the main under him and would again bring us in good money. Powell was a mainstay and even out on the left in a 4-3-3 (a pet hate of yours) was a real goal scoring threat for us. Campbell had one foot out of the door, and wouldn’t be here without MON. Tezgel’s parents have mentioned the role he played in ensuring he stayed. Did we lose key players at key times? Absolutely, the loss of Souttar and Powell last season derailed our season I’m convinced of that. If you think back to that West Brom home game and games such as Forest at home/Swansea away we looked like a proper team with a plan. Fletcher sliding into the advertising hoardings, Campbell against Cardiff when he looked like a top Championship forward, were all a proper kick in the balls. The club has never be healthier in terms of youth development, MON played his part in that by promoting youngsters, FFP had been avoided (partly thanks to Covid I would suggest) and we should be able to look forward finally this summer and have a clean slate. Sometimes a a manager does the dirty work that helps the club move forward and other reap the rewards, I think history will judge MON’s tenure kindly. I think some of that is fair and some of it is overly generous. Agree that he seems like a good bloke and that his promotion of youth, resurrection of Tymon and use of Souttar, Campbell, even DWP were to his credit. I think his transfer dealings even given the situation were dodgy - FFP removed our advantages over other clubs in the division but teams with very little budget managed to use the market better than we did, and the likes of Surridge et al should never have been on our targets list to begin with. I also don't see why he continually moved away from 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 and was so obsessed with a back three/wing-back system (that he then failed to recruit to). Just as I don't see why Neil feels the need to persist with it. Most of MON's best football was played using a back four but he seemed determined to shift away from that. Out of interest, what would it have taken for you to conclude that MON's time was up?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 13, 2023 9:10:17 GMT
Of course it's speculation but I think O'Neill would have done better. He had injured players coming back, an established way of playing, players he had chosen and a happy looking dressing room. Neil has chopped and changed formations, has a set of players that don't suit the way he wants to play and has clearly decided some players don't have a future at the club which, along with his more abrasive style, has got to have a destabilising effect behind the scenes.
I think under MoN we would be mid table rather than a relegation battle and maybe he'd taken us as far as he could - which still means we were way better than we were when he took over. Neil has taken us backwards but sometimes you have to go backwards to go forwards and maybe a shake up behind the scenes was necessary.
I'm not going to write off Neil having inherited the wrong squad at the wrong time. I'll judge him this time next year when he'd working with his own squad and has had time to bed them in. To be honest I find it astonishing that anyone thought we would have done better this season under Neil - this squad and Neil is a match made on Blind Date. Had we gone for another manager with a similar style to MoN (Mowbray, Robins?) maybe, but not Neil.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 13, 2023 9:10:39 GMT
I liked him as a bloke and looking at the overall picture on the back of Rowett and Jones I’d rate the job he did as 7/10. It can’t just be about the product on the pitch when a club is nosediving with serious financial issues on the horizon even though ultimately that’s what the majority of fans care about at 3 o clock on a Saturday. As always it’s a difficult debate as no one ever knows what the alternative would have brought but without him I could quite easily see us languishing in mid-table in League One now. Did we kick on like I would have liked? No, although I never saw us as anymore than a team finishing upper/low mid-table. Did he make mistakes tactically and with recruitment? Of course but without knowing the inner workings it’s difficult to know how many players were his number one targets and how many were a bi-product of our situation. Did he improve players? Yes, Tymon was cast aside and would now bring in a healthy transfer fee, the Souttar was handled perfectly and has brought us in good money, Baker was in the doldrums and played really well in the main under him and would again bring us in good money. Powell was a mainstay and even out on the left in a 4-3-3 (a pet hate of yours) was a real goal scoring threat for us. Campbell had one foot out of the door, and wouldn’t be here without MON. Tezgel’s parents have mentioned the role he played in ensuring he stayed. Did we lose key players at key times? Absolutely, the loss of Souttar and Powell last season derailed our season I’m convinced of that. If you think back to that West Brom home game and games such as Forest at home/Swansea away we looked like a proper team with a plan. Fletcher sliding into the advertising hoardings, Campbell against Cardiff when he looked like a top Championship forward, were all a proper kick in the balls. The club has never be healthier in terms of youth development, MON played his part in that by promoting youngsters, FFP had been avoided (partly thanks to Covid I would suggest) and we should be able to look forward finally this summer and have a clean slate. Sometimes a a manager does the dirty work that helps the club move forward and other reap the rewards, I think history will judge MON’s tenure kindly. I think some of that is fair and some of it is overly generous. Agree that he seems like a good bloke and that his promotion of youth, resurrection of Tymon and use of Souttar, Campbell, even DWP were to his credit. I think his transfer dealings even given the situation were dodgy - FFP removed our advantages over other clubs in the division but teams with very little budget managed to use the market better than we did, and the likes of Surridge et al should never have been on our targets list to begin with. I also don't see why he continually moved away from 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 and was so obsessed with a back three/wing-back system (that he then failed to recruit to). Just as I don't see why Neil feels the need to persist with it. Most of MON's best football was played using a back four but he seemed determined to shift away from that. Out of interest, what would it have taken for you to conclude that MON's time was up?More than 5 games this season to judge. The reset was always going to be the summer of 2023 as far as I'm concerned so I would have been happy with mid-table this season but with signs of progress on the pitch to give me hope going into next season. You have to weigh up the risk of relegation (I don't think it was huge and still don't actually) against the benefits of bringing in a new manager with new ideas and compensation paid (in our case). For me we pulled the trigger too early.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 13, 2023 9:10:57 GMT
174 points in a 128 games is not something I’d call a disaster mate and backed to the hilt🤔🤣really?A fit Souttar last season and we’d have been amongst it for me and this weekend last season I had real hope also after playing so well at Forest. That Forest performance was probably one of our best performances since we've been relegated - with a 4-3-3 too. No idea where that came from. Things were briefly looking up, coming after the DWP Hull game and a comfortable Swansea home win. Philogene-Bidace was looking the part. And then.......nothing. We always had the capability of producing a really controlled, impressive away display once every 7-8 weeks which temporarily made you forget the previous 6 weeks of mind-numbing rubbish Yes the Swansea and Forest performances gave me real hope that we’d be more competitive for the rest of the season but 7 games without a win followed Forest but then 5 wins out of the last 9 games,just so inconsistent
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 13, 2023 9:11:38 GMT
We haven’t moved forward:
Indeed the last window of his took us back a year at least.
It may take us to League One.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 13, 2023 9:13:52 GMT
That Forest performance was probably one of our best performances since we've been relegated - with a 4-3-3 too. No idea where that came from. Things were briefly looking up, coming after the DWP Hull game and a comfortable Swansea home win. Philogene-Bidace was looking the part. And then.......nothing. We always had the capability of producing a really controlled, impressive away display once every 7-8 weeks which temporarily made you forget the previous 6 weeks of mind-numbing rubbish Yes the Swansea and Forest performances gave me real hope that we’d be more competitive for the rest of the season but 7 games without a win followed Forest but then 5 wins out of the last 9 games,just so inconsistent One of the strengths we had under MON was the ability to get a couple of wins when the pressure was on, frustratingly we never turned that into a 4/5 match winning streak which is all you need in this division to put you back into the mix.................
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 13, 2023 9:13:54 GMT
I think marginally yes. On the plus side our key players, Tymon Baker Powell Campbell and Brown have all struggled under AN but performed well under MON. We probably would have scored more, giving us a better chance of winning more games. On the minus side he was losing the plot and running out of ideas and we may have shipped a few more goals. So not a lot of difference, which only underlines what little positive impact AN has had on the team and results. It doesn't bode well for the future. Would we have scored more? We’re creating more chances this season, we’re just not taking them. In probability yes the stats of their last 25 games each are on another thread the only thing that separates them is goals scored and conceded MON was 4 ahead in each column WDL was exactly the same. So there’s nothing in the comparison to conclude anything other than we’d have probably seen a few more goals at both ends. I’m completely neutral I don’t rate either of them.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 13, 2023 9:15:27 GMT
Of course it's speculation but I think O'Neill would have done better. He had injured players coming back, an established way of playing, players he had chosen and a happy looking dressing room. Neil has chopped and changed formations, has a set of players that don't suit the way he wants to play and has clearly decided some players don't have a future at the club which, along with his more abrasive style, has got to have a destabilising effect behind the scenes. I think under MoN we would be mid table rather than a relegation battle and maybe he'd taken us as far as he could - which still means we were way better than we were when he took over. Neil has taken us backwards but sometimes you have to go backwards to go forwards and maybe a shake up behind the scenes was necessary. I'm not going to write off Neil having inherited the wrong squad at the wrong time. I'll judge him this time next year when he'd working with his own squad and has had time to bed them in. To be honest I find it astonishing that anyone thought we would have done better this season under Neil - this squad and Neil is a match made on Blind Date. Had we gone for another manager with a similar style to MoN (Mowbray, Robins?) maybe, but not Neil. The players he had chosen didn't suit that established (and fairly unsuccessful) way of playing though. What would an MON XI for the first half of the season have looked like? Bursik Wilmot Jagielka (Souttar when fit) Taylor/Fernandes Clarke (Fosu or -gulp - Sparrow until he was fit again) Laurent/Thompson Baker Smallbone (Powell when fit) Fox (Tymon when fit) Brown/Delap Gayle There are enough glaring problems there in goal, at wing back, in midfield and up front to make me think we'd have struggled even when those key men returned.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 13, 2023 9:18:17 GMT
I think some of that is fair and some of it is overly generous. Agree that he seems like a good bloke and that his promotion of youth, resurrection of Tymon and use of Souttar, Campbell, even DWP were to his credit. I think his transfer dealings even given the situation were dodgy - FFP removed our advantages over other clubs in the division but teams with very little budget managed to use the market better than we did, and the likes of Surridge et al should never have been on our targets list to begin with. I also don't see why he continually moved away from 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 and was so obsessed with a back three/wing-back system (that he then failed to recruit to). Just as I don't see why Neil feels the need to persist with it. Most of MON's best football was played using a back four but he seemed determined to shift away from that. Out of interest, what would it have taken for you to conclude that MON's time was up?More than 5 games this season to judge. The reset was always going to be the summer of 2023 as far as I'm concerned so I would have been happy with mid-table this season but with signs of progress on the pitch to give me hope going into next season. You have to weigh up the risk of relegation (I don't think it was huge and still don't actually) against the benefits of bringing in a new manager with new ideas and compensation paid (in our case). For me we pulled the trigger too early. Fair enough. I don't agree (for me that awful run last season should have seen him handed his cards then and the summer's messy recruitment only reinforced that) but had always wondered quite why you were such a big fan of MON and what you saw that I didn't, and you've answered that eloquently, cheers.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 13, 2023 9:18:47 GMT
Keep repeating it and you will probably believe it but any sensible person would attempt to answer the points that I made. Hope you are happy in the alternative Universe that you inhabit, and hope you get well soon. Nothing you said changed my opinion. If you continue to ramble on with your unfounded comparisons between the 2 your tiny box shaped universe will shrink. Try to formulate an objective by talking solely about subject matter, in this case, MON. His biggest issue was that he was tested in his abilities to shift from International to club level, which is a huge gulf and ultimately he failed due, in my opinion, to his lack of experience in the areas which I pointed to. What Neil has done, or hasn't, since does not change those points. Better? But does answer the thread title asking to compare the two. Do you believe AN has done better than MON? We all know what deficiencies MON had, there are plenty of threads discussing him. This one has a different title. Read it and you'll see that your last comment was misplaced on this thread. It asks whether what Neil has done since has been any better or even worse.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 13, 2023 9:20:35 GMT
Pointless question and pointless thread which helps nothing and nobody (sorry OP). MON got the sack and that's the end of it. We need to concentrate on the current situation. Most threads on a fanzine are pointless then as nothing can be done about anything unless you believe the management come on here and think, yes that's a good idea I'll try that.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 13, 2023 9:25:32 GMT
More than 5 games this season to judge. The reset was always going to be the summer of 2023 as far as I'm concerned so I would have been happy with mid-table this season but with signs of progress on the pitch to give me hope going into next season. You have to weigh up the risk of relegation (I don't think it was huge and still don't actually) against the benefits of bringing in a new manager with new ideas and compensation paid (in our case). For me we pulled the trigger too early. Fair enough. I don't agree (for me that awful run last season should have seen him handed his cards then and the summer's messy recruitment only reinforced that) but had always wondered quite why you were such a big fan of MON and what you saw that I didn't, and you've answered that eloquently, cheers. I just firmly believe that the damage caused by Rowett and Jones is sometimes underestimated and that "steadying the ship" was a damn sight more difficult than some give him credit. People are using words like rancid and toxic which they're more than entitled to do but the culture he inherited from a bunch of underperforming, overpaid players and the stink that was lingering over the club could be summed up by those 2 words. I honestly thought we'd slide into League One oblivion. And I still think AN will push us on (even though I'm disappointed and underwhelmed with his start so far), the squad has never been a top six one but that said it's certainly not a bottom 6 one either in my opinion.......
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Post by potterpaul on Feb 13, 2023 9:26:51 GMT
Nothing you said changed my opinion. If you continue to ramble on with your unfounded comparisons between the 2 your tiny box shaped universe will shrink. Try to formulate an objective by talking solely about subject matter, in this case, MON. His biggest issue was that he was tested in his abilities to shift from International to club level, which is a huge gulf and ultimately he failed due, in my opinion, to his lack of experience in the areas which I pointed to. What Neil has done, or hasn't, since does not change those points. Better? But does answer the thread title asking to compare the two. Do you believe AN has done better than MON? We all know what deficiencies MON had, there are plenty of threads discussing him. This one has a different title. Read it and you'll see that your last comment was misplaced on this thread. It asks whether what Neil has done since has been any better or even worse. Thread title doesn't mention AN. My first post on this thread answered the question. Doubtful. There'd be very little difference if he'd seen us through this season. We were struggling We are struggling We shall continue to struggle
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Post by malisastokie on Feb 13, 2023 9:27:42 GMT
MON continually dropped back to the use of wing backs in my opinion because of Josh Tymon.
AN is replicating the same formation for a different reason as he wants a high press.
With Gayle/ Brown and Campbell the ball needs to be played into open space so they can run onto to it, all 3 can’t play balls where they have to win Ariel battles or balls played into their feet in tight spaces.
Which means 4/2/3/1 or 4/3/3. Is the only formations can best utilise our current squats.
I hate to plaguerise previous threads but it is as plain as day.
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