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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 2, 2023 20:37:27 GMT
It's not "eminently better" than being found not guilty. It's different to a not guilty verdict as in that case he could not be charged again for the same offence, even if some highly convincing new evidence comes to light at some point in the future. As it stands, he could still be. Not completely accurate but fair point. I've known a prosecution to recommence never after a discontinuance in my 14 years. Actually scrap the above. I think you are totally wrong. You can only discontinue proceedings before the indictment has been preferred. This was listed for trial was it not? So not guilty pleas recorded against the indictment. That means the CPS would have offered no evidence at the CC and the case would have been dismissed and NG verdicts recorded. So yes. It is eminently better. I don't think that's right mate. You're describing Withdrawal of Proceedings. This matter has been Discontinued which can be done at any stage of the process up until the commencement of the trial and as with Withdrawal but unlike with the offering of no evidence, proceedings can be re-instituted later if further evidence should emerge. Which means he'll potentially have it hanging over him for some time. At least I think that's how it works.
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Post by franklin on Feb 2, 2023 20:45:58 GMT
Not completely accurate but fair point. I've known a prosecution to recommence never after a discontinuance in my 14 years. Actually scrap the above. I think you are totally wrong. You can only discontinue proceedings before the indictment has been preferred. This was listed for trial was it not? So not guilty pleas recorded against the indictment. That means the CPS would have offered no evidence at the CC and the case would have been dismissed and NG verdicts recorded. So yes. It is eminently better. I don't think that's right mate. You're describing Withdrawal of Proceedings. This matter has been Discontinued which can be done at any stage of the process up until the commencement of the trial and as with Withdrawal but unlike with the offering of no evidence, proceedings can be re-instituted later if further evidence should emerge. Which means he'll potentially have it hanging over him for some time. At least I think that's how it works. Correct if it was discontinued it can be continued/ bought back before a court with the discovery of "new evidence" Withdrawal would end the case as it would constitute a "trail" and a not guilty result would be entered.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 2, 2023 20:53:21 GMT
I don't think that's right mate. You're describing Withdrawal of Proceedings. This matter has been Discontinued which can be done at any stage of the process up until the commencement of the trial and as with Withdrawal but unlike with the offering of no evidence, proceedings can be re-instituted later if further evidence should emerge. Which means he'll potentially have it hanging over him for some time. At least I think that's how it works. Correct if it was discontinued it can be continued/ bought back before a court with the discovery of "new evidence" Withdrawal would end the case as it would constitute a "trail" and a not guilty result would be entered. Not that it matters but I think that's still wrong. Withdrawal could also result in a resumption of the case in certain circumstances. Only 'offering no evidence' acts as an acquittal which would invoke the double jeopardy rule and means proceedings are unlikely to be re-instated.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 2, 2023 21:04:31 GMT
My opinion on him as a human being is irrelevant he should be free to earn a living. Man Utd of course may feel his actions are still in breach of his contract which is a separate debate.
And any potential future clubs may choose not touch him with a barge pole (I know I wouldn’t) but we all know that someone will…….
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Post by franklin on Feb 2, 2023 21:08:19 GMT
Correct if it was discontinued it can be continued/ bought back before a court with the discovery of "new evidence" Withdrawal would end the case as it would constitute a "trail" and a not guilty result would be entered. Not that it matters but I think that's still wrong. Withdrawal could also result in a resumption of the case in certain circumstances. Only 'offering no evidence' acts as an acquittal which would invoke the double jeopardy rule and means proceedings are unlikely to be re-instated. My understanding is that if it were Crown Court they( CPS ) can ONLY withdraw with "no evidence" the judge can order for the charges to "lie on file" but that's only if the defendant has plead guilty on other charges and that this case would have no bearing on the existing sentence, ie already serving a life sentence. In these circumstances the case can only be reopened by a High Court appeal. He hasn't plead to charges in another case so the Judge wouldn't allow the charges to "lie on file" so in those circumstances that is the end of the matter, not guilty recorded.
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Feb 2, 2023 21:09:02 GMT
Anyone who feels the need to carry on abusing the bloke on social media now and at the game when he starts playing, when the CPS are saying it is now clear, that there is , no witness and no evidence,and no case to answer, is odd. If these people themselves were being abused by the public, when they are not being charged, and not going to trial. Would they still be defending people's right to abuse them . With the boot on the other foot , and them being the abused rather than the abuser . I doubt it ? Jesus fucking Christ, what a painfully ignorant view. Would you be saying this if it was your daughter who had been battered and had her bloodied face covering every media outlet? I doubt it.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 2, 2023 21:20:14 GMT
Anyone who feels the need to carry on abusing the bloke on social media now and at the game when he starts playing, when the CPS are saying it is now clear, that there is , no witness and no evidence,and no case to answer, is odd. If these people themselves were being abused by the public, when they are not being charged, and not going to trial. Would they still be defending people's right to abuse them . With the boot on the other foot , and them being the abused rather than the abuser . I doubt it ? Jesus fucking Christ, what a painfully ignorant view. Would you be saying this if it was your daughter who had been battered and had her bloodied face covering every media outlet? I doubt it. Correct, the bloke is a vile cunt and he’ll do it again. Hopefully she doesn’t regret it but I’m sure she will. Some folk just can’t be helped. Live your best life or regret it forever
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 2, 2023 21:21:06 GMT
My opinion on him as a human being is irrelevant he should be free to earn a living. Man Utd of course may feel his actions are still in breach of his contract which is a separate debate. And any potential future clubs may choose not touch him with a barge pole (I know I wouldn’t) but we all know that someone will……. I would have though it was a clear breach of his contract. Some disciplinary action would seem inevitable, the vast majority of codes of discipline are decided on probability and it's more than probable his actions have bought disrepute to the club. Hopefully they'll deal with it swiftly and allow him to move on with his career either there or elsewhere.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 2, 2023 21:21:20 GMT
My opinion on him as a human being is irrelevant he should be free to earn a living. Man Utd of course may feel his actions are still in breach of his contract which is a separate debate. And any potential future clubs may choose not touch him with a barge pole (I know I wouldn’t) but we all know that someone will……. He should be in prison
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 2, 2023 21:26:48 GMT
My opinion on him as a human being is irrelevant he should be free to earn a living. Man Utd of course may feel his actions are still in breach of his contract which is a separate debate. And any potential future clubs may choose not touch him with a barge pole (I know I wouldn’t) but we all know that someone will……. He should be in prison What sharing a cell with Ched Evans and Benjamin Mendy?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 2, 2023 21:30:04 GMT
What sharing a cell with Ched Evans and Benjamin Mendy? The Ched Evans case was totally different. Mendy, that’s subjective but multiple women came forward, whether that was a conspire against him I don’t know. But we’ve all seen the evidence of Greenwood, there is no doubt
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 2, 2023 21:31:42 GMT
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Post by willieeetmiout on Feb 2, 2023 21:34:02 GMT
Not completely accurate but fair point. I've known a prosecution to recommence never after a discontinuance in my 14 years. Actually scrap the above. I think you are totally wrong. You can only discontinue proceedings before the indictment has been preferred. This was listed for trial was it not? So not guilty pleas recorded against the indictment. That means the CPS would have offered no evidence at the CC and the case would have been dismissed and NG verdicts recorded. So yes. It is eminently better. I don't think that's right mate. You're describing Withdrawal of Proceedings. This matter has been Discontinued which can be done at any stage of the process up until the commencement of the trial and as with Withdrawal but unlike with the offering of no evidence, proceedings can be re-instituted later if further evidence should emerge. Which means he'll potentially have it hanging over him for some time. At least I think that's how it works. That's how it works at the Magistrates Court for a discontinuance. At the CC you can discontinue after sending and before the preferred indictment. 23A of the Prosecution of Offences Act 1985. If it's after the preferred indictment, which will be the case here as matter was listed for trial then the only method by which the prosecutor can terminate proceedings altogether is to offer no evidence. Where a jury has been sworn, it will be asked to return a formal verdict of not guilty. If the jury has not been sworn, the judge will enter the not guilty verdict under section 17 Criminal Justice Act 1967. This concludes the proceedings and fresh proceedings cannot be started as the verdict has the same effect as if the defendant had been tried and acquitted. As an aside you can't withdraw proceedings at the CC. That can only happen at the Mags.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 2, 2023 21:41:29 GMT
What sharing a cell with Ched Evans and Benjamin Mendy? The Ched Evans case was totally different. Mendy, that’s subjective but multiple women came forward, whether that was a conspire against him I don’t know. But we’ve all seen the evidence of Greenwood, there is no doubt What you mean is you've seen some of the evidence. You're normally meant to hear/see all of the evidence before you convict. It's a little like seeing a video of a man shooting someone and saying there is no need for a trial he's guilty of murder. That's not how justice works.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Feb 2, 2023 21:43:31 GMT
The Ched Evans case was totally different. Mendy, that’s subjective but multiple women came forward, whether that was a conspire against him I don’t know. But we’ve all seen the evidence of Greenwood, there is no doubt What you mean is you've seen some of the evidence. You're normally meant to hear/see all of the evidence before you convict. It's a little like seeing a video of a man shooting someone and saying there is no need for a trial he's guilty of murder. That's not how justice works. Absolutely spot on. Highlights the perils of trial by social media.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 2, 2023 21:49:31 GMT
My opinion on him as a human being is irrelevant he should be free to earn a living. Man Utd of course may feel his actions are still in breach of his contract which is a separate debate. And any potential future clubs may choose not touch him with a barge pole (I know I wouldn’t) but we all know that someone will……. He should be in prison For reasons not totally clear that’s not happening though, I’m not judge and jury. I don’t have to like the guy but he either tries to earn a living (he may not have that luxury still) or what sits at home for the rest of his life?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 2, 2023 21:51:53 GMT
For reasons not totally clear that’s not happening though, I’m not judge and jury. I don’t have to like the guy but he either tries to earn a living (he may not have that luxury still) or what sits at home for the rest of his life? Not at all he can do something else can’t he? DPD are after drivers, they’ll take anyone on
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 2, 2023 21:56:18 GMT
This whole thing stinks. As someone said this does not mean he’s innocent it just means charges are dropped. The recordings certainly sounded pretty damning which tells you all you need to know about the type of person he appears to be. I’m sure it won’t take long for him to be involved in something else as he must feel bulletproof right now. Let’s just hope he’s learnt from what’s happened and gets some advice from Marcus Rashford about being the right sort of role model for the fans. Funny how the Man U fans are showing no class and talking like they’ve won the jackpot getting him back a bit like Chelsea when it came to winning trophies with dirty money. It's 2023 yet we are still living in an age where a guy can pay a victim millions to escape jail. What about the welfare of other females he might encounter in the future? All the video and audio evidence points to this guy being a violent rapist. Convince me otherwise.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 2, 2023 21:57:28 GMT
This whole thing stinks. As someone said this does not mean he’s innocent it just means charges are dropped. The recordings certainly sounded pretty damning which tells you all you need to know about the type of person he appears to be. I’m sure it won’t take long for him to be involved in something else as he must feel bulletproof right now. Let’s just hope he’s learnt from what’s happened and gets some advice from Marcus Rashford about being the right sort of role model for the fans. Funny how the Man U fans are showing no class and talking like they’ve won the jackpot getting him back a bit like Chelsea when it came to winning trophies with dirty money. It's 2023 yet we are still living in an age where a guy can pay a victim millions to escape jail. What about the welfare of other females he might encounter in the future? All the video and audio evidence points to this guy being a violent rapist. Convince me otherwise. Exactly, it stinks
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 2, 2023 21:58:36 GMT
For reasons not totally clear that’s not happening though, I’m not judge and jury. I don’t have to like the guy but he either tries to earn a living (he may not have that luxury still) or what sits at home for the rest of his life? Why are the reasons not clear. The victim refuses to give evidence against him because they have resumed their relationship and a victimless prosecution is not in the public interest. See Caroline Flack, when society's need for retribution was considered paramount to the wishes of the injured party. Are/were Mason Greenwood Ryan Giggs or Caroline Flack a danger to the general public?
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Post by willieeetmiout on Feb 2, 2023 22:07:00 GMT
This whole thing stinks. As someone said this does not mean he’s innocent it just means charges are dropped. The recordings certainly sounded pretty damning which tells you all you need to know about the type of person he appears to be. I’m sure it won’t take long for him to be involved in something else as he must feel bulletproof right now. Let’s just hope he’s learnt from what’s happened and gets some advice from Marcus Rashford about being the right sort of role model for the fans. Funny how the Man U fans are showing no class and talking like they’ve won the jackpot getting him back a bit like Chelsea when it came to winning trophies with dirty money. It's 2023 yet we are still living in an age where a guy can pay a victim millions to escape jail. What about the welfare of other females he might encounter in the future? All the video and audio evidence points to this guy being a violent rapist. Convince me otherwise. Unlikely to get seen but that's a pretty libellous 1st comment
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 2, 2023 22:07:19 GMT
This whole thing stinks. As someone said this does not mean he’s innocent it just means charges are dropped. The recordings certainly sounded pretty damning which tells you all you need to know about the type of person he appears to be. I’m sure it won’t take long for him to be involved in something else as he must feel bulletproof right now. Let’s just hope he’s learnt from what’s happened and gets some advice from Marcus Rashford about being the right sort of role model for the fans. Funny how the Man U fans are showing no class and talking like they’ve won the jackpot getting him back a bit like Chelsea when it came to winning trophies with dirty money. It's 2023 yet we are still living in an age where a guy can pay a victim millions to escape jail. What about the welfare of other females he might encounter in the future? All the video and audio evidence points to this guy being a violent rapist. Convince me otherwise. Perhaps they'd ought to think who they're getting involved with. It's not like he's roamed the streets attacking random victims. It would be a bit like the woman who took up with Giggs then lost the plot because he was unfaithful. Why do some blokes jump to the conclusion that because it's a female she's an innocent victim.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 2, 2023 22:09:19 GMT
It's 2023 yet we are still living in an age where a guy can pay a victim millions to escape jail. What about the welfare of other females he might encounter in the future? All the video and audio evidence points to this guy being a violent rapist. Convince me otherwise. Unlikely to get seen but that's a pretty libellous 1st comment No it's not. Stop trying to be dramatic.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 2, 2023 22:10:12 GMT
It's 2023 yet we are still living in an age where a guy can pay a victim millions to escape jail. What about the welfare of other females he might encounter in the future? All the video and audio evidence points to this guy being a violent rapist. Convince me otherwise. Perhaps they'd ought to think who they're getting involved with. It's not like he's roamed the streets attacking random victims. It would be a bit like the woman who took up with Giggs then lost the plot because he was unfaithful. Why do some blokes jump to the conclusion that because it's a female she's an innocent victim. I can only think you haven't properly read my post or seen the footage.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Feb 2, 2023 22:11:54 GMT
Unlikely to get seen but that's a pretty libellous 1st comment No it's not. Stop trying to be dramatic. Absolutely is. You'd be getting sued if it was about me
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Feb 2, 2023 22:14:01 GMT
Perhaps they'd ought to think who they're getting involved with. It's not like he's roamed the streets attacking random victims. It would be a bit like the woman who took up with Giggs then lost the plot because he was unfaithful. Why do some blokes jump to the conclusion that because it's a female she's an innocent victim. I can only think you haven't properly read my post or seen the footage. If I'd seen the footage of the bloke shooting someone he'd still be entitled to present a defence and mitigation but not in your court.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 2, 2023 22:16:02 GMT
I can only think you haven't properly read my post or seen the footage. If I'd seen the footage of the bloke shooting someone he'd still be entitled to present a defence and mitigation but not in your court. Absolutely they'd be entitled to present a defence. Where have I questioned that?
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Post by willieeetmiout on Feb 2, 2023 22:21:49 GMT
If I'd seen the footage of the bloke shooting someone he'd still be entitled to present a defence and mitigation but not in your court. Absolutely they'd be entitled to present a defence. Where have I questioned that? Well he's effectively been found not guilty so you don't need question anything really
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 2, 2023 22:21:56 GMT
For reasons not totally clear that’s not happening though, I’m not judge and jury. I don’t have to like the guy but he either tries to earn a living (he may not have that luxury still) or what sits at home for the rest of his life? Not at all he can do something else can’t he? DPD are after drivers, they’ll take anyone on Why should DPD staff be subjected to Greenwood but not his Man Utd team mates, he’s either entitled to get his life back on track or he’s not?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 2, 2023 22:24:51 GMT
Not at all he can do something else can’t he? DPD are after drivers, they’ll take anyone on Why should DPD staff be subjected to Greenwood but not his Man Utd team mates, he’s either entitled to get his life back on track or he’s not? That’s true. Didn’t think about that.
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