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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 1, 2023 9:26:22 GMT
He is indeed an excellent player for this level and if he'd arrived along with another decent CB I would have had no complaints at all
BUT in isolation it's an extremely risky move from the manager.
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Post by lordb on Feb 1, 2023 9:27:49 GMT
He is indeed an excellent player for this level and if he'd arrived along with another decent CB I would have had no complaints at all BUT in isolation it's an extremely risky move from the manager. can understand that we couldn't agree terms with Cresswell , have to wonder why Edwards from Peterborough hasn't come in instead
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2023 9:44:47 GMT
Celina makes sense , if he does well, we have an option to buy .
Pearson makes sense, if he impresses , we MIGHT be able to sign him.
Tuanzebe makes little sense, if,huge if , we get him fit and playing to his potential. Then firstly the season will be over by then and secondly,he will definitely be leaving. He's a top prem player on huge wages , if he gets his fitness back( by which time the season is over anyway)
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 1, 2023 9:47:36 GMT
Such nonsense spouted on this thread - Tuanzebe is a class act. He's played champions league footy and had Mbappe in his pocket. He's better than Soutar Don't think too many question his ability, the worrying part is related to fitness I guess.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 1, 2023 9:49:17 GMT
It’s very rare that you see a professional athlete make a full recovery from a serious back injury (look at Tiger Woods), I would like to know what type of back injury it was but I think this is a risk too far.
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Post by J-Roar on Feb 1, 2023 10:39:48 GMT
Can we sing his name to Zambezi by The Piranhas? Or don't you pronounce it that way?
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Post by Veritas on Feb 1, 2023 10:50:13 GMT
Back conditions have a nasty habit of becoming chronic and long lasting. Ryan’s experience tells us all we need to know on that front. Who knows we may get a bit of long overdue luck on the injury front and he bounces back wonderfully but signing an urgently needed defender who hasn’t actually played a game for a year is a jaw dropping gamble. i remember Man Citys attempts to get to the bottom of the back problems that were plaguing Kompany and after weeks of analysing every inch of his life it turned out his car seat was causing him issues similar was Etherington with his back problems, im sure it was something to do with the alignment of his jaw pushing him slightly out of place, wouldnt bother the average man on the street but as he aged and carried on being an elite sportsman it caused him discomfort fascinating stuff in medical science i guess Yes I remember some player, I don't think it was Etherington, having their wisdom teeth removed to resolve a back pain problem caused by a jaw alignment issue.
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Post by clarkeda on Feb 1, 2023 10:55:30 GMT
It’s already been said but Tuanzebe + Edwards/ Cresswell would have made me a whole lot more comfortable.
I said previously as well, I don’t like the fact this is a loan. There’s not really a lot of upside apart from getting a very good player for a couple of months.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Feb 1, 2023 11:02:50 GMT
Isn't Tuanzebe out of contract in the Summer? If so, we get the chance to look at him and if impressed we're in with a shout of offering him a fresh start. He was an excellent player in the recent past so fingers crossed he gets his mojo back.
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Post by flea79 on Feb 1, 2023 11:58:31 GMT
i remember Man Citys attempts to get to the bottom of the back problems that were plaguing Kompany and after weeks of analysing every inch of his life it turned out his car seat was causing him issues similar was Etherington with his back problems, im sure it was something to do with the alignment of his jaw pushing him slightly out of place, wouldnt bother the average man on the street but as he aged and carried on being an elite sportsman it caused him discomfort fascinating stuff in medical science i guess Yes I remember some player, I don't think it was Etherington, having their wisdom teeth removed to resolve a back pain problem caused by a jaw alignment issue. i could well be wrong but i seem to remember it being Ethers
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Post by Billy the kid on Feb 1, 2023 12:04:33 GMT
Isn't Tuanzebe out of contract in the Summer? If so, we get the chance to look at him and if impressed we're in with a shout of offering him a fresh start. He was an excellent player in the recent past so fingers crossed he gets his mojo back. His wages are listed as 2.6million a year so its unlikely we would want to get anywhere close to that you would have thought.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 1, 2023 12:17:26 GMT
Isn't Tuanzebe out of contract in the Summer? If so, we get the chance to look at him and if impressed we're in with a shout of offering him a fresh start. He was an excellent player in the recent past so fingers crossed he gets his mojo back. His wages are listed as 2.6million a year so its unlikely we would want to get anywhere close to that you would have thought. And if he does stay fit he (which would be great) he will prove himself for elsewhere. The problem there is that he will take time to get to fitness and that puts a lot of pressure on Jagielka, who isn’t meant for a full season. I don’t understand why we let go of Flint so early. We should have just kept him until after Souttar left.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 1, 2023 12:27:20 GMT
He is indeed an excellent player for this level and if he'd arrived along with another decent CB I would have had no complaints at all BUT in isolation it's an extremely risky move from the manager. can understand that we couldn't agree terms with Cresswell , have to wonder why Edwards from Peterborough hasn't come in instead Weren't they asking silly money in the summer for him? Probably put us off somewhat if so.
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 1, 2023 12:28:17 GMT
His wages are listed as 2.6million a year so its unlikely we would want to get anywhere close to that you would have thought. And if he does stay fit he (which would be great) he will prove himself for elsewhere. The problem there is that he will take time to get to fitness and that puts a lot of pressure on Jagielka, who isn’t meant for a full season. I don’t understand why we let go of Flint so early. We should have just kept him until after Souttar left. We let Flint go because he was shite. We replaced our best player with an unfit, long term injury problem who hasn’t played for over a year, because we are mental or so skint we had no option.
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Post by tqstokie on Feb 1, 2023 12:38:08 GMT
Perhaps we got Axel after the wheels came off plan A.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 1, 2023 12:43:23 GMT
Axl Rose has more chance of starting on Satdee
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Post by gawa on Feb 1, 2023 12:57:46 GMT
Isn't Tuanzebe out of contract in the Summer? If so, we get the chance to look at him and if impressed we're in with a shout of offering him a fresh start. He was an excellent player in the recent past so fingers crossed he gets his mojo back. His wages are listed as 2.6million a year so its unlikely we would want to get anywhere close to that you would have thought. Wonder how much of that were paying. That's over 50k a week.
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Post by jeycov on Feb 1, 2023 13:29:51 GMT
And if he does stay fit he (which would be great) he will prove himself for elsewhere. The problem there is that he will take time to get to fitness and that puts a lot of pressure on Jagielka, who isn’t meant for a full season. I don’t understand why we let go of Flint so early. We should have just kept him until after Souttar left. We let Flint go because he was shite. We replaced our best player with an unfit, long term injury problem who hasn’t played for over a year, because we are mental or so skint we had no option. Possibly few other options Players need to want to join the club We need to support whoever is selected to play
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 1, 2023 13:50:19 GMT
Interesting that Andy Mitten, who's got really good connections there, says the Man Utd coaching staff still thought he could develop into a Ferdinand/Vidic-level player as recently as the summer of 2020.
If he does stay fit and does well, you'd think there'd be a taker in the lower reaches of the Prem or abroad. Big if though. Reported to be on £50k-a-week at Utd, so it'd be interesting to know what % we're paying (probably not much?)
He knows how he performs over the next few months will decide his earning power over his next contract. They have the option of an additional year, but you'd think they're reasonably unlikely to take it unless he has a monstrous few months here.
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Post by shakermaker on Feb 1, 2023 14:44:25 GMT
It’s already been said but Tuanzebe + Edwards/ Cresswell would have made me a whole lot more comfortable. I said previously as well, I don’t like the fact this is a loan. There’s not really a lot of upside apart from getting a very good player for a couple of months. I would much rather we take a player with serious fitness issues on loan than splash out on another crock who'll only play a handful of games for us if he doesn't get fit. If he does the business for us and there is clear improvement in team performance, there's every reason to believe he might want to sign permanently in the summer if we offer him a deal. For now though, this is a good low-risk move.
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Post by slash on Feb 1, 2023 14:49:44 GMT
we must truly be desperate to get Ryan back if we're bringing in a player with a back injury.
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 1, 2023 19:48:04 GMT
Be really interesting to hear how far away from starting he is at the press conference and Neil's thought process behind the risky policy with Souttar leaving.
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 1, 2023 21:05:50 GMT
Be really interesting to hear how far away from starting he is at the press conference and Neil's thought process behind the risky policy with Souttar leaving. Reckon it will be one of those “2 to 3 weeks away” which turns into months.
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Post by iamstokie on Feb 1, 2023 21:38:38 GMT
Be really interesting to hear how far away from starting he is at the press conference and Neil's thought process behind the risky policy with Souttar leaving. 59 league games in 7 years , I’d be surprised if he plays three times for us
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Post by iglugluk on Feb 1, 2023 21:56:09 GMT
His wages are listed as 2.6million a year so its unlikely we would want to get anywhere close to that you would have thought. Wonder how much of that were paying. That's over 50k a week. It's actually exactly 50k a week.. unless your year has less than 52 weeks that is
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Post by gawa on Feb 1, 2023 23:16:01 GMT
Wonder how much of that were paying. That's over 50k a week. It's actually exactly 50k a week.. unless your year has less than 52 weeks that is Oops you're right lol! To be further pedantic though it's technically slightly less given there are just over 52 weeks in a year
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Post by yardstick on Feb 2, 2023 7:39:24 GMT
Does anyone know what his current fitness status actually is? I’ve read loads of articles but none say whether he’s not ready for selection or not?
Is he fit but needs a couple of u21 games?
Or is he still injured and not available for x weeks?
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Post by Gods on Feb 2, 2023 7:43:39 GMT
I woke up this morning pondering exactly this.
Knowing our luck my best guess is not fit.
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Post by gogogadget on Feb 2, 2023 7:49:01 GMT
I woke up this morning pondering exactly this. he was out for 10 months and played his first game back against PSG, keeping Mbape quiet and drawing great reviews So I think he is the type to to be ready when injury free and minutes on the training ground
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 2, 2023 7:51:06 GMT
Two levels of fitness at play aren't there?
Actual fitness to get him on the pitch after 6 months out with a chronic back issue and haven't played first team football for 12 months match fitness!
If everything goes smoothly I doubt we'll see anywhere near the best of him until Easter at the very earliest.
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