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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 12, 2023 19:45:05 GMT
On the other hand, plenty of managers say what a good club Stoke is to work for.
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Post by knype on Jan 12, 2023 20:23:16 GMT
Stoke City - “ the most difficult football team to manage in football with what goes on behind the scenes” a quote from mad Nath this morning. This mirrors previous quotes from the Wigan manager a few years back who stated “everybody in football knows what goes on at Stoke and how difficult it is to manage” We all obviously have our opinion regarding the club, a mixture of: - lack of forward thinking by the owners - lack of structure - previous impact of Scholes - lack of culture However, is there something else in the under current that we as mere fans have missed but is widely known by those Inside football. Intriguing comments, maybe one for the fans council to ask for a response on? Well known in football how bad Stoke is to manage, then leaves his club to manage Stoke...
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 12, 2023 20:35:25 GMT
He headbutted the Xmas party planner whilst naked? Because? We'd lost.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 12, 2023 20:50:05 GMT
Plus Hughes’ comments along the lines of “ who else is gonna do the job” or words there of….. Mind you we’ve known this for a long time as it’s been commented on this board to the “enth” degree. Hughes meant ‘who’s better than me, because I’m great’, he wasn’t talking about dark forces behind the scenes. He was given too much freedom if anything. Not so much too much freedom. He wasn't directed, managed or appraised properly. He could have had total footballing freedom and if these things were in place warning lights would have been flashing long before the owners "didn't know what all the fuss was about".
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Post by nonameface on Jan 12, 2023 20:54:54 GMT
Stoke City - “ the most difficult football team to manage in football with what goes on behind the scenes” a quote from mad Nath this morning. This mirrors previous quotes from the Wigan manager a few years back who stated “everybody in football knows what goes on at Stoke and how difficult it is to manage” We all obviously have our opinion regarding the club, a mixture of: - lack of forward thinking by the owners - lack of structure - previous impact of Scholes - lack of culture However, is there something else in the under current that we as mere fans have missed but is widely known by those Inside football. Intriguing comments, maybe one for the fans council to ask for a response on? he'll probably rinse and repeat about Southampton fairly soon.
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Post by slash on Jan 12, 2023 21:12:46 GMT
It took a whopping six replies before Pulis was predictably mentioned. Good fucking grief. we're tony pulis' barmy army
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Post by cousindupree on Jan 12, 2023 21:13:13 GMT
Our decline has been a bit of a headscratcher to be sure. But his comments are nonsense... Rich owners who totally back their manager. And rightly or wrongly give him a pretty free rein. Facilities at the Mich are exceptional The Academy is doing ok with some young talent coming through A mostly passionate fan base. Appear to be well manages financially with FFP posing a challenge So what's the problem? It has to be the quality of our recruitment team and process which keep on delivering poor options and have done for many years. The manager tells the board and recruitment team what he needs and they seem to continually come up with unimaginative dross quite often their strategy is simply looking down the available list or going back to players who the incumbent manager knows.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 12, 2023 21:36:58 GMT
Our decline has been a bit of a headscratcher to be sure. But his comments are nonsense... Rich owners who totally back their manager. And rightly or wrongly give him a pretty free rein.Facilities at the Mich are exceptional The Academy is doing ok with some young talent coming through A mostly passionate fan base. Appear to be well manages financially with FFP posing a challenge So what's the problem? It has to be the quality of our recruitment team and process which keep on delivering poor options and have done for many years. The manager tells the board and recruitment team what he needs and they seem to continually come up with unimaginative dross quite often their strategy is simply looking down the available list or going back to players who the incumbent manager knows. Here in lies the problem. He's just another employee.
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Post by march4 on Jan 12, 2023 21:48:07 GMT
Tony Pulis never had a problem Just saying ….. Well he did when he was picking his squad for Valencia and shitting himself over Swansea and Norwich Just saying That wasn’t a problem to TP.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 12, 2023 22:14:46 GMT
Well he did when he was picking his squad for Valencia and shitting himself over Swansea and Norwich Just saying That wasn’t a problem to TP. Shame that winning games was around that time.
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 12, 2023 22:28:49 GMT
It's the Fans...let's not kid ourselves 😂😂
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Post by thevoid on Jan 12, 2023 22:33:27 GMT
Well he did when he was picking his squad for Valencia and shitting himself over Swansea and Norwich Just saying That wasn’t a problem to TP. I couldn't care less about him, it was a problem to those he encouraged to travel. Didn't back himself ultimately did he?
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Post by thevoid on Jan 12, 2023 22:34:50 GMT
On the other hand, plenty of managers say what a good club Stoke is to work for. The salary and pay off probably help
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jan 13, 2023 0:58:00 GMT
The same Nathan Jones who has today said he’s got a 50% win ratio at Southampton if you subtract his first game in charge and take into account he’s got a 0% win ratio in the league.
We all know our problems behind the scenes, no need to make out like there’s some satanic cult being operated out of the bet365 just to save face.
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Post by datguy on Jan 13, 2023 1:12:46 GMT
Stoke’s the hardest team to manage?
Well I suppose that’s what happens when you, erm, supposedly choose not to win.
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Post by dirtclod on Jan 13, 2023 1:40:54 GMT
The same Nathan Jones who has today said he’s got a 50% win ratio at Southampton if you subtract his first game in charge and take into account he’s got a 0% win ratio in the league. We all know our problems behind the scenes, no need to make out like there’s some satanic cult being operated out of the bet365 just to save face. You think he's full of shit? I do too. When? Every time his lips move. ....satanic cult....that one gave me a laugh! Have enjoyed some of the conspiracy theories I've seen though. Surprised we haven't worked UFO's and Donald Trump into one of them yet. But the day's still young. Let's see, Trump and Smurthwaite on a train together with Mogda from the planet Argon were assigned to pick a manager...
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Post by senojbor on Jan 13, 2023 1:55:30 GMT
Tony Pulis never had a problem Just saying ….. Well he did when he was picking his squad for Valencia and shitting himself over Swansea and Norwich Just saying Still the best manager we've had in your lifetime. Just sayin'
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Jan 13, 2023 6:37:05 GMT
Well he did when he was picking his squad for Valencia and shitting himself over Swansea and Norwich Just saying Still the best manager we've had in your lifetime. Just sayin' Don't disagree but it's a completely different game and club from the time Pulis was in charge. He wouldn't have the same success with the club in it's current state and needing to deal with FFP.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 13, 2023 6:38:33 GMT
Well he did when he was picking his squad for Valencia and shitting himself over Swansea and Norwich Just saying Still the best manager we've had in your lifetime. Just sayin' And yet he'll never be universally loved. That's got to sting- sorry buddy 😠
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Post by theonlooker on Jan 13, 2023 8:06:04 GMT
There could be an element of truth in it though. Hughes said that he'd never been in a job where the manager had so much to do before coming to Stoke. He was experienced at the top end of football as player and manager.
The current manager is clearly struggling and has admitted that this is the first time he's not had a reaction after going into a club.
There are a lot of variables in the current situation that might mask or replicate issues we don't know about but to dismiss what Jones is saying out of hand I think is a bit dangerous, even if you accept that he is over icing the cake somewhat.
The evidence is there for us to see. Pro rata we must be the most underperforming football clubs in Europe spanning 5+ years now and there has to be a bigger reason for that.
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 13, 2023 8:10:42 GMT
There could be an element of truth in it though. Hughes said that he'd never been in a job where the manager had so much to do before coming to Stoke. He was experienced at the top end of football as player and manager. The current manager is clearly struggling and has admitted that this is the first time he's not had a reaction after going into a club. There are a lot of variables in the current situation that might mask or replicate issues we don't know about but to dismiss what Jones is saying out of hand I think is a bit dangerous, even if you accept that he is over icing the cake somewhat. The evidence is there for us to see. Pro rata we must be the most underperforming football clubs in Europe spanning 5+ years now and there has to be a bigger reason for that. The problem with Jones is that whatever comes out of his mouth, the opposite is the absolute truth.
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Post by LGH87 on Jan 13, 2023 8:15:33 GMT
I'd love for one of the press gang to ask AN about the god bothering twat's comments in the Sheff presser.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 13, 2023 10:21:11 GMT
Seems a secretive club to me, not sure any of us know what the problems are but over the past six years of gross incompetence, the common denominator has been the growth of influence of John Coates. I don't know for sure if he is the problem or what he even does ut I do know that taking Stoke from where we were to where we are now is remarkable decline.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 13, 2023 10:27:15 GMT
I don't know anything about John Coates one way or the other really but he seems to have assumed the bogeyman role that Scholes and Carto used to occupy.
What do people think would be different if Peter was still running the show, we've broadly followed the same practices and processes we have from his day? All that's really happened is that times have changed since they came back and we, as ever, have failed to change with them.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jan 13, 2023 10:38:26 GMT
Stoke’s the hardest team to manage? Well I suppose that’s what happens when you, erm, supposedly choose not to win. Also pisses me off about him, he basically surrendered about 15 games for us with his fabled fucking diamond, and doesn’t bother with it anymore.
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Post by scfcnicholas on Jan 13, 2023 10:43:13 GMT
Stoke City - “ the most difficult football team to manage in football with what goes on behind the scenes” a quote from mad Nath this morning. This mirrors previous quotes from the Wigan manager a few years back who stated “everybody in football knows what goes on at Stoke and how difficult it is to manage” We all obviously have our opinion regarding the club, a mixture of: - lack of forward thinking by the owners - lack of structure - previous impact of Scholes - lack of culture However, is there something else in the under current that we as mere fans have missed but is widely known by those Inside football. Intriguing comments, maybe one for the fans council to ask for a response on? Wasn’t he berating the Havant manager for talking about other manager’s just the other day. He should take some of his own advice and shut the fuck up about other football clubs the wanker.
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Post by flea79 on Jan 13, 2023 10:43:53 GMT
come on we are all missing the obvious culprit
KITSON!!!
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Post by hoppo96 on Jan 13, 2023 11:47:40 GMT
It's a problem now because we've got ourselves into a hole and can't magically spend our way out of bother.
Tbh, it's a good job given the infrastructure but the lack of knowledge on the board's part is a huge problem. The fact Alex Neil is seemingly ripping everything up behind the scenes says a lot. We have been left behind, and it's quite shocking given our owners are supposedly forward thinking business people.
Brighton saw a manager, two key players and another player have to retire in recent months. Yet have a plan to deal with all of that. If (when) Alex Neil leaves we won't have any plan. It'll be back to hoping for a new Pulis to pop up. Or the original one...
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Post by nott1 on Jan 13, 2023 12:16:20 GMT
No, it was because he was organising a party behind TP's back after being told not to I believe.
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Post by nott1 on Jan 13, 2023 12:21:14 GMT
Still the best manager we've had in your lifetime. Just sayin' Don't disagree but it's a completely different game and club from the time Pulis was in charge. He wouldn't have the same success with the club in it's current state and needing to deal with FFP. Oh yes he would, better than the current village idiot!
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