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Post by xchpotter on Jan 11, 2023 14:58:16 GMT
Hence the reason why we’ll probably let Souttar go for half his worth. We simply need the money to do any real business. What's the point in doing any real business now though ? Unless you feel we're in big danger of getting relegated we've got no chance of suddenly pushing for the play offs so it would be better to hobble through to the summer when we can do serious business without even needing to sell Souttar. I get what you are saying, but until relegation is mathematically out of the question we need to shore up where we can. I also think we need to consider how much more damage "hobbling through" will do to the fan base and future signings. The club needs some positivity and if a player like Bentley helps to turn the odd defeat into a draw and the odd draw into a win then we see benefits through an improving team and the club becomes a much better place. So, whilst he may well not be the goalkeeper Stoke City deserves, he may be the one it needs right now.
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Post by bloodtypered on Jan 11, 2023 15:15:01 GMT
You could stick a pile of steaming Rottweiler shit inbetween the sticks, bang a pair of goalie gloves on it and it would be an upgrade on Bonham and Bursik. So signing an actual human being will be an upgrade no doubt. We'll be with you......be with you,.... be with you...every step along the way
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Post by callas12 on Jan 11, 2023 15:39:26 GMT
The comments from Bristol City fans at the bottom of that article seem very favourable & they judge him one of the best keepers in the league and would be gutted to see him leave. Fans are generally the best judges of players, especially when unanimously singing his praises. Or there's a mass piss-take going on. Did actually get me thinking, weren't Burnley fans very commending of Sam Vokes when he left to join us! 🤔😉😁
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Post by thebet365 on Jan 11, 2023 15:44:39 GMT
What's the point in doing any real business now though ? Unless you feel we're in big danger of getting relegated we've got no chance of suddenly pushing for the play offs so it would be better to hobble through to the summer when we can do serious business without even needing to sell Souttar. I get what you are saying, but until relegation is mathematically out of the question we need to shore up where we can. I also think we need to consider how much more damage "hobbling through" will do to the fan base and future signings. The club needs some positivity and if a player like Bentley helps to turn the odd defeat into a draw and the odd draw into a win then we see benefits through an improving team and the club becomes a much better place. So, whilst he may well not be the goalkeeper Stoke City deserves, he may be the one it needs right now. I Agree about the keeper situation, I was more refering to "Serious business" as in selling someone for good money to bring in players for decent money, January has never really been the time to spend unless you're either A) amongst the promotion pack or B) amongst the relegation pack. We're certainly closer to the relegation pack than I'd like but I do think we have enough now with a new keeper to stay up. I just think selling Souttar now to fund a few sticking plasters would do more damage than keeping him and managing with what we've got plus a bit of wheeling and dealing with loan options to get us through to the summer.
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Post by logdog on Jan 11, 2023 15:51:28 GMT
This sounds a lot better than what my Bristol City supporting mate described. That Arsenal story is quite something. I’m not saying he’s good or bad. Just describing the type of keeper he seems. People say Pickford is great with his feet but I think his ability in that regard is overrated. People rate Ederson who is fantastic with his feet but he also seems to save very little outside of 1v1s. I think he’s a bit of a fraud! Was looking forward to your thoughts on Bentley, Dave. You obvs know your beans when it comes to keepers. What’s your gut feeling, would he be a good signing for us?
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Post by J-Roar on Jan 11, 2023 16:00:24 GMT
Or there's a mass piss-take going on. Did actually get me thinking, weren't Burnley fans very commending of Sam Vokes when he left to join us! 🤔😉😁 My eldest constantly reminds me that I told him Vokes could be our 20 goal a season man, especially as he took penalties. That worked out well.
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Post by spiderpuss on Jan 11, 2023 16:07:23 GMT
Perhaps we've got our wires crossed and we're giving each one of our pampered pooches a Bentley. Would go along nicely with the beano in Dubai.
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Post by ashtonstokie on Jan 11, 2023 16:16:32 GMT
Reminds me of Adam Davies with his reflexes.
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Post by Picasso on Jan 11, 2023 16:30:29 GMT
It would be underwhelming. He can't even get into his own team. He’ll prove to be a Rolls Royce kind of player.
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Post by tachyon on Jan 11, 2023 16:41:31 GMT
He's been in the Championship since 2016/17, largely as a starter until this season.
Overall a very, very slightly above average shot stopper.
He's allowed a whole 1% fewer goals than you'd expect from an average Championship keeper over those seven seasons.
Best season was 17/18 when he prevented 10% more goals than average based on the placement/shot type of the on target attempts he faced.
Worst season was the current one, where he's allowed 9% more goals than an average keeper.
He claims crosses at well below the league average.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 11, 2023 16:45:34 GMT
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Post by UNKLE on Jan 11, 2023 17:03:11 GMT
Underwhelming transfer window, underwhelming signing possibility, underwhelming manager. Know a lot about Bentley do you? I watched him for a couple of seasons at Brentford. Good use of area, commanding with good distribution. Talks to his back line Prone to the odd clanger but fairly consistent. I hadn’t seen too much of Raya at Blackburn before he signed, but he’s definitely been an upgrade on Bentley. I’ll have a lot more confidence with Bentley over Bursik or Bonham. Can’t compare him to the Leicester keeper as I haven’t seen him play.
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Post by nott1 on Jan 11, 2023 17:10:48 GMT
Underwhelming transfer window, underwhelming signing possibility, underwhelming manager. Reviewed by a underwhelming Stoke "fan" Commented on by someone who should put "an" not "a" before underwhelming.
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Post by lordb on Jan 11, 2023 17:15:50 GMT
Know a lot about Bentley do you? I watched him for a couple of seasons at Brentford. Good use of area, commanding with good distribution. Talks to his back line Prone to the odd clanger but fairly consistent. I hadn’t seen too much of Raya at Blackburn before he signed, but he’s definitely been an upgrade on Bentley. I’ll have a lot more confidence with Bentley over Bursik or Bonham. Can’t compare him to the Leicester keeper as I haven’t seen him play. That sounds a lot better my impression was he was average,and Flaps but you've seen a lot more of him Sounds like an OK signing Iverson sounds much better but we can't afford him
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Post by shakermaker on Jan 11, 2023 17:43:13 GMT
I don't really understand those Goals Prevented stats, they don't make much sense to me. Taking last season's stats into account for example, Bentley's Goals Prevented rate is 1.03. Is that per game? If so, that would be 1.03 x 38 = 39.14, but he conceded 122 goals. What I do know is that he saved 70.9% of the 179 Shots on Target he faced, which is a very good return.
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Post by tachyon on Jan 11, 2023 17:44:35 GMT
Yeah, he doesn't come out great in Opta's 'Goals Prevented' stat.
But no idea how much of a meaningful metric it is, and how much stock to put in it. It can be very noisy in small samples. Here's what his 2022/23's shot placement looks like. Attachment DeletedHe's let in most of the difficult to save ones and a couple of the easier ones.
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Post by pretzel on Jan 11, 2023 18:51:15 GMT
Reminds me of Adam Davies with his reflexes. Maybe but he looks to have much stronger hands.. all Davies seemed to do was palm the ball back out into the path of an attacker Bonham always looks like he's frightened of his own shadow whereas this bloke looks like a bit of a nutter... He'd do for me
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Post by ashtonstokie on Jan 11, 2023 19:36:49 GMT
Reminds me of Adam Davies with his reflexes. Maybe but he looks to have much stronger hands.. all Davies seemed to do was palm the ball back out into the path of an attacker Bonham always looks like he's frightened of his own shadow whereas this bloke looks like a bit of a nutter... He'd do for me Anyone who can command his area will do for me 👍
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Post by lordb on Jan 11, 2023 19:53:22 GMT
Maybe but he looks to have much stronger hands.. all Davies seemed to do was palm the ball back out into the path of an attacker Bonham always looks like he's frightened of his own shadow whereas this bloke looks like a bit of a nutter... He'd do for me Anyone who can command his area will do for me 👍 That's not Bentley
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 11, 2023 20:01:06 GMT
Anyone who can command his area will do for me 👍 That's not Bentley They should sign me, I’ve commanded Hartshill for 10 years. A little rectangular patch of grass will be a breeze😉
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jan 11, 2023 20:15:00 GMT
If I remember rightly, he played blinder against us last season up here, Bristol won 0-1 nd I remember being impressed (albeit annoyed) with him!!! Going off that alone.... I'd take him!!! Whoever is in goal against us,they don't concede too msany. Well, there is that yeah!!!
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Post by chumley on Jan 11, 2023 20:25:33 GMT
Isn't Bentley out of Bristol 1st team as he and Pearson have fallen out, which seems easy thing to do, fall out with Nige.
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Post by Stokester on Jan 11, 2023 21:26:04 GMT
What's the point in doing any real business now though ? Unless you feel we're in big danger of getting relegated we've got no chance of suddenly pushing for the play offs so it would be better to hobble through to the summer when we can do serious business without even needing to sell Souttar. I get what you are saying, but until relegation is mathematically out of the question we need to shore up where we can. I also think we need to consider how much more damage "hobbling through" will do to the fan base and future signings. The club needs some positivity and if a player like Bentley helps to turn the odd defeat into a draw and the odd draw into a win then we see benefits through an improving team and the club becomes a much better place. So, whilst he may well not be the goalkeeper Stoke City deserves, he may be the one it needs right now. Absolutely spot on. We have to stay up, but hobbling to safety will still be damaging.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 11, 2023 21:50:20 GMT
I’m not saying he’s good or bad. Just describing the type of keeper he seems. People say Pickford is great with his feet but I think his ability in that regard is overrated. People rate Ederson who is fantastic with his feet but he also seems to save very little outside of 1v1s. I think he’s a bit of a fraud! Was looking forward to your thoughts on Bentley, Dave. You obvs know your beans when it comes to keepers. What’s your gut feeling, would he be a good signing for us? He’s better than what we’ve got for sure and he seems a confident lad who could be a positive in the dressing room. I’m not 100% sure on him but a short term deal be it a loan or taking over the remainder of his contract would give club and player a good chance to have a look at each other. Would rather Iversen if we could get him. He can’t be happy playing 2nd fiddle to ward but maybe we simply can’t afford him. For where we are at right now I think Bentley would be a decent short term option but maybe not longer term if we can ever wish to be a serious promotion contender
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Post by lordb on Jan 11, 2023 21:56:22 GMT
Was looking forward to your thoughts on Bentley, Dave. You obvs know your beans when it comes to keepers. What’s your gut feeling, would he be a good signing for us? He’s better than what we’ve got for sure and he seems a confident lad who could be a positive in the dressing room. I’m not 100% sure on him but a short term deal be it a loan or taking over the remainder of his contract would give club and player a good chance to have a look at each other. Would rather Iversen if we could get him. He can’t be happy playing 2nd fiddle to ward but maybe we simply can’t afford him. For where we are at right now I think Bentley would be a decent short term option but maybe not longer term if we can ever wish to be a serious promotion contender That makes sense Promotion seems a long way away, looking to move away from relegation fight Short term deals for good characters is a good way to go
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Post by liathroid on Jan 11, 2023 22:01:34 GMT
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Post by davethebass on Jan 11, 2023 23:06:33 GMT
Bentley? Rolls Royce of a player
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jan 11, 2023 23:13:22 GMT
Well, we desperately need competent goalkeeper.
It is hard to imagine that Bentley would be anything other than an upgrade on Bursik and Bonham.
It is pretty evident that AN has little faith in either of our current incumbents. Rightly so probably! 😅
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Post by ashtonstokie on Jan 12, 2023 0:17:50 GMT
Anyone who can command his area will do for me 👍 That's not Bentley Where's Begovic at? He's the only keeper I've seen take every player out to get to a cross.
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Post by dirtclod on Jan 12, 2023 0:31:47 GMT
I actually hope he's beyond "vociferous." Would like to see him slap the shit out of players who pass back to the keeper soon as any defender gets within 10 feet of them.
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