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Post by swampySCFC on Dec 30, 2022 22:46:26 GMT
Absolutely agree made big decisions taking over from the Icelandic’s and appointed Pulis for a second time amid vastly adverse opinion, funding the transfers and initially big loan players but the success that followed probably isn’t going to be repeated.. certainly not with this collection of no marks (and throw outs) from average clubs who know they haven’t got it. Big pressure on Neill to work the oracle in his first Transfer window having failed to get a tune out of the players that aren’t his.
Don’t think the latest Coates knows what he’s doing I’m afraid
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Post by cheadlepotter on Dec 30, 2022 22:49:06 GMT
I wouldn’t trust Coates Jnr to run a bath.
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 30, 2022 22:53:02 GMT
We might aswell be absolutely potless skint for all the use their money is. I mean, 4th, 5th or 6th richest owners in the country and just look at what they've spent it on and lumbered the club with. Expensive dross on top of expensive dross, to the point where we are here.
You could pick a right imbecile off the streets and they wouldn't be that bad in the hot seat.
You couldn't be this bad if you tried. It's virtually impossible.
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Dec 31, 2022 11:31:49 GMT
Post by magwitch on Dec 31, 2022 11:31:49 GMT
We might aswell be absolutely potless skint for all the use their money is. I mean, 4th, 5th or 6th richest owners in the country and just look at what they've spent it on and lumbered the club with. Expensive dross on top of expensive dross, to the point where we are here. You could pick a right imbecile off the streets and they wouldn't be that bad in the hot seat. You couldn't be this bad if you tried. It's virtually impossible. It appears that John Coates has nothing to say about the current situation. I remember Peter Coates saying 'what's all the fuss about' shortly before sacking Mark Hughes. So which is better, the quiet man or the deluded boss? Hopefully they will give Richard Smith a go sooner rather than later. Why not set up a development fund in the name of Stoke City, which can be built up in good years to rescue the club from situations like the present in future years?
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Post by thevoid on Dec 31, 2022 12:08:27 GMT
Only Stoke could have the 6th richest owners in the country and be essentially where we were 20 years ago. In a way this is worse as you could use lack of money as an excuse before.
We've been strugglers more than challengers in tier 2 under the Coates' and that is down to rank poor ownership.
Still, free coaches to Exeter...
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Dec 31, 2022 21:42:46 GMT
Post by swampySCFC on Dec 31, 2022 21:42:46 GMT
Only Stoke could have the 6th richest owners in the country and be essentially where we were 20 years ago. In a way this is worse as you could use lack of money as an excuse before. We've been strugglers more than challengers in tier 2 under the Coates' and that is down to rank poor ownership. Still, free coaches to Exeter... Totally mismanaged relegation
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Post by chigstoke on Dec 31, 2022 21:50:22 GMT
I wouldn’t trust Coates Jnr to run a bath. The sort who would empty an entire bottle of bubble bath because it’s ‘funny’ and makes loads of nice bubbles, but doesn’t realise how much he’s just fucking wasted.
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Dec 31, 2022 22:16:18 GMT
Post by iglugluk on Dec 31, 2022 22:16:18 GMT
Only Stoke could have the 6th richest owners in the country and be essentially where we were 20 years ago. In a way this is worse as you could use lack of money as an excuse before. We've been strugglers more than challengers in tier 2 under the Coates' and that is down to rank poor ownership. Still, free coaches to Exeter... Totally mismanaged relegation That statement is kind of an oxymoron, but none the less you're quite right.. unfortunately.
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Post by march4 on Jan 1, 2023 1:09:00 GMT
More of this ridiculous witch hunt.
Perhaps the posters on this thread should have a little look at our two closest rivals in size and geography - WBA and Derby.
I know which owners I would prefer to have and the fans of those two others clubs would crawl over molten glass to swap owners with us.
Indeed the fans of nearly every club in the world would quickly swap owners with us.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 1, 2023 9:04:05 GMT
More of this ridiculous witch hunt. Perhaps the posters on this thread should have a little look at our two closest rivals in size and geography - WBA and Derby. I know which owners I would prefer to have and the fans of those two others clubs would crawl over molten glass to swap owners with us. Indeed the fans of nearly every club in the world would quickly swap owners with us. Did you mean WBA who just appointed a progressive manager and are shooting up the table?
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Jan 1, 2023 9:07:57 GMT
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Post by Billy the kid on Jan 1, 2023 9:07:57 GMT
More of this ridiculous witch hunt. Perhaps the posters on this thread should have a little look at our two closest rivals in size and geography - WBA and Derby. I know which owners I would prefer to have and the fans of those two others clubs would crawl over molten glass to swap owners with us. Indeed the fans of nearly every club in the world would quickly swap owners with us. Did you mean WBA who just appointed a progressive manager and are shooting up the table? Yeah the same ones that have just taken out a 20 million loan for running costs, after the new owner took 12 million out for personal spends.
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Post by thevoid on Jan 1, 2023 9:10:21 GMT
Did you mean WBA who just appointed a progressive manager and are shooting up the table? Yeah the same ones that have just taken out a 20 million loan for running costs, after the new owner took 12 million out for personal spends. Yeah because every potential owner would be like that
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Jan 1, 2023 9:18:19 GMT
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Post by Billy the kid on Jan 1, 2023 9:18:19 GMT
Yeah the same ones that have just taken out a 20 million loan for running costs, after the new owner took 12 million out for personal spends. Yeah because every potential owner would be like that The question was specifically about wba and derby
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Post by questionable on Jan 1, 2023 9:21:39 GMT
More of this ridiculous witch hunt. Perhaps the posters on this thread should have a little look at our two closest rivals in size and geography - WBA and Derby. I know which owners I would prefer to have and the fans of those two others clubs would crawl over molten glass to swap owners with us. Indeed the fans of nearly every club in the world would quickly swap owners with us. How’s that make sense, our owners are so far out of date it’s frightening believe me. In what reality would an owner go public saying some bloke who works for my sister, who btw is crap at his job but watches lower league football basically told us to go for NJ.. It’s no coincidence that since the reigns were handed, well you know the rest
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Post by march4 on Jan 1, 2023 9:57:41 GMT
More of this ridiculous witch hunt. Perhaps the posters on this thread should have a little look at our two closest rivals in size and geography - WBA and Derby. I know which owners I would prefer to have and the fans of those two others clubs would crawl over molten glass to swap owners with us. Indeed the fans of nearly every club in the world would quickly swap owners with us. Did you mean WBA who just appointed a progressive manager and are shooting up the table? I suggest you look more closely at the club. A snapshot of a handful of results isn’t even scratching the surface.
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Post by march4 on Jan 1, 2023 9:58:59 GMT
More of this ridiculous witch hunt. Perhaps the posters on this thread should have a little look at our two closest rivals in size and geography - WBA and Derby. I know which owners I would prefer to have and the fans of those two others clubs would crawl over molten glass to swap owners with us. Indeed the fans of nearly every club in the world would quickly swap owners with us. How’s that make sense, our owners are so far out of date it’s frightening believe me. In what reality would an owner go public saying some bloke who works for my sister, who btw is crap at his job but watches lower league football basically told us to go for NJ.. It’s no coincidence that since the reigns were handed, well you know the rest And yet we are one of the most envied clubs in world football for our ownership. This ridiculous witch hunt has to stop now!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 1, 2023 10:00:32 GMT
How’s that make sense, our owners are so far out of date it’s frightening believe me. In what reality would an owner go public saying some bloke who works for my sister, who btw is crap at his job but watches lower league football basically told us to go for NJ.. It’s no coincidence that since the reigns were handed, well you know the rest And yet we are one of the most envied clubs in world football for our ownership. This ridiculous witch hunt has to stop now! And yet we continue to be in the doldrums with no sign of so much as breaking into the top half of the Championship. How does that happen to such an ‘envied’ club?
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Post by iamstokie on Jan 1, 2023 10:02:22 GMT
And yet we are one of the most envied clubs in world football for our ownership. This ridiculous witch hunt has to stop now! And yet we continue to be in the doldrums with no sign of so much breaking into the top half of the Championship. How does that happen to such an ‘envied’ club? Because March is a deluded fool
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Post by Sfance on Jan 1, 2023 10:16:08 GMT
It’s no coincidence that since the reigns were handed, well you know the rest [/quote]And yet we are one of the most envied clubs in world football for our ownership.
This ridiculous witch hunt has to stop now! [/quote]
Is that ‘envied’ as in ‘laughing stock?’
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 1, 2023 10:49:40 GMT
Just imagine Mrs Coates junior has woken up this morning and said bollocks to that lot Let’s sell up to anyone that will have it whether they’ve any money or not just get out of there it’s not worth it
Do people really think that would be a catalyst for positive change it’s abject nonsense
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Post by hoppo96 on Jan 1, 2023 10:55:42 GMT
It's staggering that people still adore them after everything that has happened. You don't have to hate them but they've ran the club pretty abysmally in the past few years.
It's a really dreadful position to be in relying on fundamentally useless people because it's our only option
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Jan 1, 2023 11:05:13 GMT
Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 1, 2023 11:05:13 GMT
We might aswell be absolutely potless skint for all the use their money is. I mean, 4th, 5th or 6th richest owners in the country and just look at what they've spent it on and lumbered the club with. Expensive dross on top of expensive dross, to the point where we are here. You could pick a right imbecile off the streets and they wouldn't be that bad in the hot seat. You couldn't be this bad if you tried. It's virtually impossible. It appears that John Coates has nothing to say about the current situation. I remember Peter Coates saying 'what's all the fuss about' shortly before sacking Mark Hughes. So which is better, the quiet man or the deluded boss? Hopefully they will give Richard Smith a go sooner rather than later. Why not set up a development fund in the name of Stoke City, which can be built up in good years to rescue the club from situations like the present in future years? Why would Richard Smith likely be any better? The club lacks any football brains, experience or success in the executive. There is no consistent footballing philosophy or ethos at the club. A blueprint needs to be set for a manager/coach to manage to but here whoever is the given manager on the day is the blueprint. Our directors are directionless they hop from the cult of one manager to another with complete blind faith.
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Jan 1, 2023 11:15:44 GMT
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Post by scfc75 on Jan 1, 2023 11:15:44 GMT
Just imagine Mrs Coates junior has woken up this morning and said bollocks to that lot Let’s sell up to anyone that will have it whether they’ve any money or not just get out of there it’s not worth it Do people really think that would be a catalyst for positive change it’s abject nonsense Just imagine thinking that there can’t possibly be owners out there who would do better than the Coates’ have over the past few years. The notion that different owners can’t possibly do better than the Coates’ are right now is abject nonsense. I wonder if we’ll still have fans defending them to the death if they take us down to League 1. “Best stick with them, we can’t do better”.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Jan 1, 2023 11:21:24 GMT
How’s that make sense, our owners are so far out of date it’s frightening believe me. In what reality would an owner go public saying some bloke who works for my sister, who btw is crap at his job but watches lower league football basically told us to go for NJ.. It’s no coincidence that since the reigns were handed, well you know the rest And yet we are one of the most envied clubs in world football for our ownership. This ridiculous witch hunt has to stop now! Thats a ridiculous comment & just not true they do not have a clue its not just about having all the money in the world its knowing how to use it & sadly the idiot in charge has not got a clue.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jan 1, 2023 11:26:45 GMT
I think there is a distinction between owning a club and supporting it but having the wisdom to put in place a football structure rather than getting too involved yourself . Neither Peter or John wanted to do that.
As owners, they are second to none but as football strategists, they are below average at best and the fall from where we were six years ago to now reeks of incompetence. Still, nothing has really changed.
Stoke feels like a bit of an old boy's network to me and they have always over-relied on the manager it did work with Lou and TP and Hughes to an extent before he wrecked things but more failure than success over the years .
We are still in pretty much the same place as we were when PC employed Mick Mills when he first took over first team-wise.
The training side is of course way better and hopefully, we can see the fruits of the academy although Neil does not seem to want to go that way.
One of the biggest disappointments to me as an old git is the ground move, still hate the location
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Jan 1, 2023 11:32:03 GMT
Post by eddyclamp on Jan 1, 2023 11:32:03 GMT
More of this ridiculous witch hunt. Perhaps the posters on this thread should have a little look at our two closest rivals in size and geography - WBA and Derby. I know which owners I would prefer to have and the fans of those two others clubs would crawl over molten glass to swap owners with us. Indeed the fans of nearly every club in the world would quickly swap owners with us. Did you mean WBA who just appointed a progressive manager and are shooting up the table? I know a baggies season ticket holder and he has been telling me all season about the shit they are in regards the ownership and the financial meltdown. He often tells me how lucky we are having local owners.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 1, 2023 11:58:03 GMT
Did you mean WBA who just appointed a progressive manager and are shooting up the table? I know a baggies season ticket holder and he has been telling me all season about the shit they are in regards the ownership and the financial meltdown. He often tells me how lucky we are having local owners. The Baggies’ situation sounds very dodgy and worrying for them and obviously the stability we have is preferable to how they’re being run and how clubs like Birmingham have been run. Equally though, just as they rightly deserve credit for getting us promoted and our stay in the Prem, they have to take the blame for our decline. It’s on them and the decisions they’ve made. And it’s frustrating that they don’t seem interested in doing anything differently, meaning we’re stuck in this tedious cycle of mediocrity with little hope that it’ll improve beyond them lucking into a good appointment.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jan 1, 2023 12:57:07 GMT
We need the Coates family,But Jon Coates needs to change the way he is running the club.
If his father hasn't had a word in Jons ear,he really should do,him been a Stoke supporter,he must see what the rest of the Stoke fans see,that he is taking this club nowhere but down.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 1, 2023 13:14:26 GMT
We need the Coates family,But Jon Coates needs to change the way he is running the club. If his father hasn't had a word in Jons ear,he really should do,him been a Stoke supporter,he must see what the rest of the Stoke fans see,that he is taking this club nowhere but down. This. Clear as day.
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Post by sportsman on Jan 1, 2023 13:19:01 GMT
Right owners, just need right people employed to run everything. Simple as that
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