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Post by thevoid on Jan 1, 2023 13:31:50 GMT
Did you mean WBA who just appointed a progressive manager and are shooting up the table? I suggest you look more closely at the club. A snapshot of a handful of results isn’t even scratching the surface. Completely irrelevant if they get to the riches of the Premier League before we do (which is a good bet)
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Post by kustokie on Jan 1, 2023 14:02:14 GMT
How’s that make sense, our owners are so far out of date it’s frightening believe me. In what reality would an owner go public saying some bloke who works for my sister, who btw is crap at his job but watches lower league football basically told us to go for NJ.. It’s no coincidence that since the reigns were handed, well you know the rest And yet we are one of the most envied clubs in world football for our ownership. This ridiculous witch hunt has to stop now! where do you get that from?
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Jan 1, 2023 14:03:20 GMT
Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 1, 2023 14:03:20 GMT
Just imagine Mrs Coates junior has woken up this morning and said bollocks to that lot Let’s sell up to anyone that will have it whether they’ve any money or not just get out of there it’s not worth it Do people really think that would be a catalyst for positive change it’s abject nonsense Just imagine thinking that there can’t possibly be owners out there who would do better than the Coates’ have over the past few years. The notion that different owners can’t possibly do better than the Coates’ are right now is abject nonsense. I wonder if we’ll still have fans defending them to the death if they take us down to League 1. “Best stick with them, we can’t do better”. It’s not about could others do better it’s about who wants to put £150m into stoke city with very little chance of getting it back narrows the field somewhat
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Jan 1, 2023 14:53:14 GMT
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jan 1, 2023 14:53:14 GMT
How’s that make sense, our owners are so far out of date it’s frightening believe me. In what reality would an owner go public saying some bloke who works for my sister, who btw is crap at his job but watches lower league football basically told us to go for NJ.. It’s no coincidence that since the reigns were handed, well you know the rest And yet we are one of the most envied clubs in world football for our ownership. This ridiculous witch hunt has to stop now! It's bizarre isn't it. This month is the first real opportunity that the new team JC has bought in get the chance to influence the club and team. There is absolutely no objectivity as to the mess we were in 18 months ago and are just about to come out of thanks to the way JC has navigated FFP. I feel more aggrieved at the unbalanced squad we've been left with and the current teams inability to take instruction and carry out the basics consistently.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 1, 2023 15:53:08 GMT
And yet we are one of the most envied clubs in world football for our ownership. This ridiculous witch hunt has to stop now! It's bizarre isn't it. This month is the first real opportunity that the new team JC has bought in get the chance to influence the club and team. There is absolutely no objectivity as to the mess we were in 18 months ago and are just about to come out of thanks to the way JC has navigated FFP. I feel more aggrieved at the unbalanced squad we've been left with and the current teams inability to take instruction and carry out the basics consistently. What’s bizarre, sorry?
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Jan 1, 2023 16:02:58 GMT
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jan 1, 2023 16:02:58 GMT
It's bizarre isn't it. This month is the first real opportunity that the new team JC has bought in get the chance to influence the club and team. There is absolutely no objectivity as to the mess we were in 18 months ago and are just about to come out of thanks to the way JC has navigated FFP. I feel more aggrieved at the unbalanced squad we've been left with and the current teams inability to take instruction and carry out the basics consistently. What’s bizarre, sorry? JC deserves criticism for the things he has got wrong, absolutely. By the same measure, he also deserves credit for the minefield that has been successful negotiated over the last 18 months to 2 years. The ridiculous assertions that nothing is being done to change our fortunes, within the restrictions that we are currently under or that the family don't care about our current form, performances and position are just plain daft. Maybe if they did an Oprah interview or Netflix documentary every time something or someone pissed them off?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 1, 2023 16:09:17 GMT
JC deserves criticism for the things he has got wrong, absolutely. By the same measure, he also deserves credit for the minefield that has been successful negotiated over the last 18 months to 2 years. The ridiculous assertions that nothing is being done to change our fortunes, within the restrictions that we are currently under or that the family don't care about our current form, performances and position are just plain daft. Maybe if they did an Oprah interview or Netflix documentary every time something or someone pissed them off? The restrictions we’re under are thanks to them though aren’t they? What we’re doing, largely, is the same thing that’s failed over the last five years. If it finally works this time it’ll largely be in spite of them.
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Jan 1, 2023 16:16:58 GMT
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jan 1, 2023 16:16:58 GMT
JC deserves criticism for the things he has got wrong, absolutely. By the same measure, he also deserves credit for the minefield that has been successful negotiated over the last 18 months to 2 years. The ridiculous assertions that nothing is being done to change our fortunes, within the restrictions that we are currently under or that the family don't care about our current form, performances and position are just plain daft. Maybe if they did an Oprah interview or Netflix documentary every time something or someone pissed them off? The restrictions we’re under are thanks to them though aren’t they? What we’re doing, largely, is the same thing that’s failed over the last five years. If it finally works this time it’ll largely be in spite of them. With hindsight, some of the decisions made post relegation did not work out and have ok lead to where we are. Equally, I didn't see any of these sort of threads or posts when we appointed Rowett and spent 50m trying to bounce straight back up.
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Jan 1, 2023 16:26:34 GMT
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Post by march4 on Jan 1, 2023 16:26:34 GMT
I suggest you look more closely at the club. A snapshot of a handful of results isn’t even scratching the surface. Completely irrelevant if they get to the riches of the Premier League before we do (which is a good bet) They have real problems, mate. And of course FFP hasn’t helped one bit.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 1, 2023 16:36:18 GMT
The restrictions we’re under are thanks to them though aren’t they? What we’re doing, largely, is the same thing that’s failed over the last five years. If it finally works this time it’ll largely be in spite of them. With hindsight, some of the decisions made post relegation did not work out and have ok lead to where we are. Equally, I didn't see any of these sort of threads or posts when we appointed Rowett and spent 50m trying to bounce straight back up. There were plenty on the appointments of Lambert and Rowett, but even then, shouldn’t they know more than the average fan anyway? They should’ve sacked Hughes way sooner. Lambert was a dreadful appointment. Rowett’s track record wasn’t one that screamed promotion. They should’ve sacked MON in the summer. But again the biggest problem is that we’re still beholden to individual managers for an identity, and we keep appointing managers who were the opposite of the last bloke, which contributes to the total mess of a squad we have. Our whole approach still depends on luck, essentially.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jan 1, 2023 17:05:24 GMT
With hindsight, some of the decisions made post relegation did not work out and have ok lead to where we are. Equally, I didn't see any of these sort of threads or posts when we appointed Rowett and spent 50m trying to bounce straight back up. There were plenty on the appointments of Lambert and Rowett, but even then, shouldn’t they know more than the average fan anyway? They should’ve sacked Hughes way sooner. Lambert was a dreadful appointment. Rowett’s track record wasn’t one that screamed promotion. They should’ve sacked MON in the summer. But again the biggest problem is that we’re still beholden to individual managers for an identity, and we keep appointing managers who were the opposite of the last bloke, which contributes to the total mess of a squad we have. Our whole approach still depends on luck, essentially. Lambert is the one that he has to take on the chin. Anyone other than Lambert and we would have stayed up. MON should have gone in the summer, but who saw JC pulling the trigger as quickly as he did when it was clear he needed to go. I'm not against criticism where it's due. But some of the comments directed at the family are bang out of order. We all know where we would be without their support and backing. We're finally wriggling free of FFP, now's the time to all stand together and move onwards and upwards.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 1, 2023 17:13:37 GMT
There were plenty on the appointments of Lambert and Rowett, but even then, shouldn’t they know more than the average fan anyway? They should’ve sacked Hughes way sooner. Lambert was a dreadful appointment. Rowett’s track record wasn’t one that screamed promotion. They should’ve sacked MON in the summer. But again the biggest problem is that we’re still beholden to individual managers for an identity, and we keep appointing managers who were the opposite of the last bloke, which contributes to the total mess of a squad we have. Our whole approach still depends on luck, essentially. Lambert is the one that he has to take on the chin. Anyone other than Lambert and we would have stayed up. MON should have gone in the summer, but who saw JC pulling the trigger as quickly as he did when it was clear he needed to go. I'm not against criticism where it's due. But some of the comments directed at the family are bang out of order. We all know where we would be without their support and backing. We're finally wriggling free of FFP, now's the time to all stand together and move onwards and upwards. JC pulling the trigger when he did is just another sign of the mess he made though, we had to undergo another absolute mess of a transfer window when a new man might’ve used it to recruit coherently. It’s constant reactionary stuff, there’s no vision or imagination.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2023 17:15:24 GMT
There were plenty on the appointments of Lambert and Rowett, but even then, shouldn’t they know more than the average fan anyway? They should’ve sacked Hughes way sooner. Lambert was a dreadful appointment. Rowett’s track record wasn’t one that screamed promotion. They should’ve sacked MON in the summer. But again the biggest problem is that we’re still beholden to individual managers for an identity, and we keep appointing managers who were the opposite of the last bloke, which contributes to the total mess of a squad we have. Our whole approach still depends on luck, essentially. Lambert is the one that he has to take on the chin. Anyone other than Lambert and we would have stayed up. MON should have gone in the summer, but who saw JC pulling the trigger as quickly as he did when it was clear he needed to go. I'm not against criticism where it's due. But some of the comments directed at the family are bang out of order. We all know where we would be without their support and backing. We're finally wriggling free of FFP, now's the time to all stand together and move onwards and upwards. Him sacking MoN at about the worst time isn’t an example of a good thing.
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Post by march4 on Jan 1, 2023 17:18:44 GMT
Lambert is the one that he has to take on the chin. Anyone other than Lambert and we would have stayed up. MON should have gone in the summer, but who saw JC pulling the trigger as quickly as he did when it was clear he needed to go. I'm not against criticism where it's due. But some of the comments directed at the family are bang out of order. We all know where we would be without their support and backing. We're finally wriggling free of FFP, now's the time to all stand together and move onwards and upwards. JC pulling the trigger when he did is just another sign of the mess he made though, we had to undergo another absolute mess of a transfer window when a new man might’ve used it to recruit coherently. It’s constant reactionary stuff, there’s no vision or imagination. Their vision is clear and has been for years. They are supportive and loyal to their managers. Normally these would be traits to be admired but you can be too loyal and allow managers to stay in post too long. I think that is where they have made mistakes. I can’t see that they’ve done much else wrong.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2023 17:19:46 GMT
JC pulling the trigger when he did is just another sign of the mess he made though, we had to undergo another absolute mess of a transfer window when a new man might’ve used it to recruit coherently. It’s constant reactionary stuff, there’s no vision or imagination. Their vision is clear and has been for years. They are supportive and loyal to their managers. Normally these would be traits to be admired but you can be too loyal and allow managers to stay in post too long. I think that is where they have made mistakes. I can’t see that they’ve done much else wrong. They haven’t got a vision. They are useless.
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Jan 1, 2023 17:21:48 GMT
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Post by march4 on Jan 1, 2023 17:21:48 GMT
Their vision is clear and has been for years. They are supportive and loyal to their managers. Normally these would be traits to be admired but you can be too loyal and allow managers to stay in post too long. I think that is where they have made mistakes. I can’t see that they’ve done much else wrong. They haven’t got a vision. They are useless. Wrong - they have a clear and very obvious vision. Be loyal and supportive to your manager. You might not agree with the vision but that is what it is, mate.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2023 17:24:40 GMT
They haven’t got a vision. They are useless. Wrong - they have a clear and very obvious vision. Be loyal and supportive to your manager. You might not agree with the vision but that is what it is, mate. It’s an abject failure from them. Arrogance and laziness win the day and we carry being terribly run and in a position we never should have been in. They should be ashamed.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 1, 2023 17:37:05 GMT
JC pulling the trigger when he did is just another sign of the mess he made though, we had to undergo another absolute mess of a transfer window when a new man might’ve used it to recruit coherently. It’s constant reactionary stuff, there’s no vision or imagination. Their vision is clear and has been for years. They are supportive and loyal to their managers. Normally these would be traits to be admired but you can be too loyal and allow managers to stay in post too long. I think that is where they have made mistakes. I can’t see that they’ve done much else wrong. That isn’t a vision. Their lack of one is why we have the mess of a squad we have, they don’t have a ‘type’ of manager or an ethos of identity above them, so when they appoint a manager completely different from the last one they have to basically start again each time. How do we fix it march? Your solution seems to be ‘something something get rid of FFP’, which isn’t going to happen.
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Post by kustokie on Jan 1, 2023 18:14:44 GMT
They haven’t got a vision. They are useless. Wrong - they have a clear and very obvious vision. Be loyal and supportive to your manager. You might not agree with the vision but that is what it is, mate. That may be true but it’s not a vision for success of the club.
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Post by senojbor on Jan 1, 2023 20:41:34 GMT
How’s that make sense, our owners are so far out of date it’s frightening believe me. In what reality would an owner go public saying some bloke who works for my sister, who btw is crap at his job but watches lower league football basically told us to go for NJ.. It’s no coincidence that since the reigns were handed, well you know the rest And yet we are one of the most envied clubs in world football for our ownership. This ridiculous witch hunt has to stop now! No we're not. We've become a laughing stock.
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Jan 1, 2023 20:46:53 GMT
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Post by retrostoke on Jan 1, 2023 20:46:53 GMT
Who is laughing at us 🙄
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Post by Rt Hon Reverend Luvpump on Jan 1, 2023 20:47:09 GMT
So can we spend money this Jan? and if so roughly how much anyone have an idea ?
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Post by retrostoke on Jan 1, 2023 20:58:51 GMT
Be careful what you wish for when you want the Coates family out. I’m not quite sure who is out there with money and the slightest interest in SCFC.
Crazy position to take in my opinion
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 1, 2023 21:08:43 GMT
Be careful what you wish for when you want the Coates family out. I’m not quite sure who is out there with money and the slightest interest in SCFC. Crazy position to take in my opinion Plenty of takers out there but it's not owners solely with money that this clubs needs it's owners with a better footballing acumen who can modernise the way it is controlled and operated. No one and I repeat NO ONE would be against the Coates continuing if they can do just that, but sadly they first of all need to admit that change is required and there is no signs that will happen or ever happen.
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Post by magwitch on Jan 1, 2023 21:27:45 GMT
It seems very strange to me that the Board has made no move to replace Tony Scholes, a man earning the best part of one million per year. It does suggest that he was not needed and didn't really have that much to do.Although I was never a fan of Scholes, he did seem to have a better understanding of the game than anyone else at Board level. Having been aware of the potential catastrophic affects of FFP, it begs the question why the Club ignored it until it was too late.
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Post by lordb on Jan 1, 2023 22:26:22 GMT
It seems very strange to me that the Board has made no move to replace Tony Scholes, a man earning the best part of one million per year. It does suggest that he was not needed and didn't really have that much to do.Although I was never a fan of Scholes, he did seem to have a better understanding of the game than anyone else at Board level. Having been aware of the potential catastrophic affects of FFP, it begs the question why the Club ignored it until it was too late. His job has split up Simon King was appointed new COO
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Post by J-Roar on Jan 1, 2023 23:03:48 GMT
More of this ridiculous witch hunt. Perhaps the posters on this thread should have a little look at our two closest rivals in size and geography - WBA and Derby. I know which owners I would prefer to have and the fans of those two others clubs would crawl over molten glass to swap owners with us. Indeed the fans of nearly every club in the world would quickly swap owners with us. Just because they are rich doesn't make them good owners. And just comparing them to other shit owners doesn't make them good owners. They have mismanaged this club for years with the blips of Macari, Pulis and Hughes.
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Post by J-Roar on Jan 1, 2023 23:05:34 GMT
JC deserves criticism for the things he has got wrong, absolutely. By the same measure, he also deserves credit for the minefield that has been successful negotiated over the last 18 months to 2 years. The ridiculous assertions that nothing is being done to change our fortunes, within the restrictions that we are currently under or that the family don't care about our current form, performances and position are just plain daft. Maybe if they did an Oprah interview or Netflix documentary every time something or someone pissed them off? Set fire to your own house then get credit for calling the fire brigade?
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Post by questionable on Jan 2, 2023 10:23:14 GMT
Arrogance and laziness of the highest order, their decisions or lack of decisions is the reason we are where we are.
There should be a new word created for the above “Lambert”, absolutely frightening that the Coates family even knew of his existence, let alone had the audacity to employ him.
Not exaggerating here but literally anyone could have done what Lambert did.
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