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Post by Rick Grimes on Dec 27, 2022 10:16:56 GMT
There are glimpses of a really good player in there. He will still probably develop into one and I’m sure he’ll have learned plenty during his time here but it’s clear he’s far more raw than the hype around him suggested he would be.
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Post by questionable on Dec 27, 2022 10:58:00 GMT
He's slowly getting better, I can see him going on a goalscoring run for the last third of the season . [br Just don’t see anything in him to get excited about whatsoever, in improvement he’s getting into goal scoring positions now but woefully making a pigs ear of them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2022 11:23:30 GMT
He does remind me of Lee Chapman as a youngster. Similarly hounded by Stoke fans . Good coaching and experience and it will all click as it did with Chapman. Question is are we willing to wait. I think it's more can we afford to wait. Unfortunately the answer is probably no. We need a fully functioning target man now.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Dec 28, 2022 11:30:19 GMT
Aside from missing chances galore the other day, I have to say his hold up and general play was much improved, he was going past players and being actually stronger than them instead of constantly looking to tussle with the defender and ignoring the ball.
I still can't undersand how someone who is so highly rated and can clearly finish (you don't get to be a striker who is so highly rated without that ability), and yet can't seem to even kick the ball properly in front of goal for us.
I didn't expect him to be some sort of messiah to save us, but he's been underwhelming even for the average really.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 28, 2022 11:42:34 GMT
Aside from missing chances galore the other day, I have to say his hold up and general play was much improved, he was going past players and being actually stronger than them instead of constantly looking to tussle with the defender and ignoring the ball. I still can't undersand how someone who is so highly rated and can clearly finish (you don't get to be a striker who is so highly rated without that ability), and yet can't seem to even kick the ball properly in front of goal for us. I didn't expect him to be some sort of messiah to save us, but he's been underwhelming even for the average really. I agree, misses aside I thought it was the first time he's actually looked anything like showing the promise expected, I was beginning to wonder what they saw in training.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 28, 2022 11:43:57 GMT
He at least gets involved and shows for the ball , loads to learn ,been hard for him playing in such a poor side
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Dec 28, 2022 11:48:27 GMT
He at least gets involved and shows for the ball , loads to learn ,been hard for him playing in such a poor side I don't think you can really blame his performances, or the performances of any of our forward players, on the poor side they're in, they've all had plenty of chances. As shown by our overall xG stats, the lot of them, and Delap being one of the worst, just miss buckets of chances or break down endless numbers of promising moves. But like I said, and to be fair to Delap, the other day he did look up for it, battled properly and was good up until the finishing.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Dec 28, 2022 12:45:35 GMT
He at least gets involved and shows for the ball , loads to learn ,been hard for him playing in such a poor side I don't think you can really blame his performances, or the performances of any of our forward players, on the poor side they're in, they've all had plenty of chances. As shown by our overall xG stats, the lot of them, and Delap being one of the worst, just miss buckets of chances or break down endless numbers of promising moves. But like I said, and to be fair to Delap, the other day he did look up for it, battled properly and was good up until the finishing. I was thinking more in terms of spirit than stats , the whole club is totally flat , I imagine if he left us now and went to Burnley he would improve quite quickly in a team full of positivity Harwood Bellis looks way more confident there , did ok for us but often had a mistake in him .
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 28, 2022 12:55:52 GMT
Thinking about it and it being a few days after the game he was getting into good positions again and has been linking up very well with Campbell.
But his control is just so bad and there’s no excuse. He needs to spend some hours having balls passed into him, turning etc because that’s what is letting him down. And a player of his alleged calibre shouldn’t have such a bad touch.
Is it nerves? Is he trying too hard? Is he just a bit crap?
He has to try and figure it out and find a solution.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 28, 2022 12:56:27 GMT
He really isn’t the type of game changer we thought we were getting when he arrived. He’s shown a few glimpses that he might be ok in a few years but nothing more. We’d be better off giving our own teenage striker a run in Tezgel, at least he’s a Stoke player and we might get some long term benefit.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Dec 28, 2022 13:08:58 GMT
He really isn’t the type of game changer we thought we were getting when he arrived. He’s shown a few glimpses that he might be ok in a few years but nothing more. We’d be better off giving our own teenage striker a run in Tezgel, at least he’s a Stoke player and we might get some long term benefit. That my concern with Delap, he’ll iron out his flaws just in time for the summer and then Burnley, Anderlecht, Rangers or someone will reap the rewards next season……..
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Post by theonlooker on Dec 28, 2022 13:11:00 GMT
We've ended up with exactly what I thought we were getting. A good lad with a good attitude, a game forward who would fight for everything with obvious talent but very inexperienced.
The shout above about getting him next season was a great shout.
Too many people expected he would come in and have the same effect on us that Defoe had on Bournemouth all those years ago. Never going to happen in reality.
I like him and he's going to be a very good forward in time.
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Post by mickstupp on Dec 28, 2022 13:16:34 GMT
He really isn’t the type of game changer we thought we were getting when he arrived. He’s shown a few glimpses that he might be ok in a few years but nothing more. We’d be better off giving our own teenage striker a run in Tezgel, at least he’s a Stoke player and we might get some long term benefit. That my concern with Delap, he’ll iron out his flaws just in time for the summer and then Burnley, Anderlecht, Rangers or someone will reap the rewards next season…….. Yep we’ve taken a lad on loan and punished ourselves on the pitch while he makes costly errors for the long term benefit of someone else.
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Post by lordb on Dec 28, 2022 13:28:39 GMT
That my concern with Delap, he’ll iron out his flaws just in time for the summer and then Burnley, Anderlecht, Rangers or someone will reap the rewards next season…….. Yep we’ve taken a lad on loan and punished ourselves on the pitch while he makes costly errors for the long term benefit of someone else. Unless we loan him again
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Post by dirtygary69 on Dec 28, 2022 14:12:01 GMT
I still like him, he just needs to do the right things at the right times. I don’t think there’s many defenders who will say he’s been easy to play against, but he just needs to try and do less fighting and more work with the ball because he clearly has attributes to terrify defences if it all comes together.
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Post by danceswithclams on Dec 28, 2022 14:29:49 GMT
Thinking about it and it being a few days after the game he was getting into good positions again and has been linking up very well with Campbell. But his control is just so bad and there’s no excuse. He needs to spend some hours having balls passed into him, turning etc because that’s what is letting him down. And a player of his alleged calibre shouldn’t have such a bad touch. Is it nerves? Is he trying too hard? Is he just a bit crap? He has to try and figure it out and find a solution. I think it's a combination of the first two. There's definitely a player in there and as others have mentioned, his hold-up play has visibly improved and he does get himself into good positions. Finishing and first touch is letting him down massively though and he seems to spend most of his time on his arse and remonstrating with referees over the failure to award free-kicks that are never going to be given in this dogshit league. I dare say that he would look almost instantly better if he was somewhere like Burnley with more intelligent and dynamic players around him but for now, it looks like we'll just have to to wait and watch as he slowly improves the various elements of his game that need improvement and hope he can stitch them all together in time for him to be successful during his time with us (as opposed to on loan somewhere else next season after we've honed him).
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 29, 2022 11:46:25 GMT
I think he is improving each game he has, id stick with him as he seems to be getting to grips with this level. He was never going to come in and hit it off straight away he's a young lad still learning his trade but I think it will come.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Dec 29, 2022 11:51:49 GMT
The other thing to remember is he’s 19. What ever line of work you are in, at 19 you have a lot to learn.
Good shout about next season, if he is the player many of us thought we’d see, then next season should bare fruit- whichever team that’s for
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Post by ravey123 on Dec 29, 2022 11:52:05 GMT
I think he is improving each game he has, id stick with him as he seems to be getting to grips with this level. He was never going to come in and hit it off straight away he's a young lad still learning his trade but I think it will come. I actually think we need to try to loan him next season too. As others have said you can clearly see improvements as he adapts his game slowly. I can see him continuing to improve this season then doing really well wherever he goes next season
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Post by leicspotter on Dec 29, 2022 11:52:35 GMT
I just want to see this "bucket lad" of chances he has missed...'cos we don't create that many real chances, which is still the biggest problem we have.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Dec 29, 2022 14:09:06 GMT
I think he is improving each game he has, id stick with him as he seems to be getting to grips with this level. He was never going to come in and hit it off straight away he's a young lad still learning his trade but I think it will come. I actually think we need to try to loan him next season too. As others have said you can clearly see improvements as he adapts his game slowly. I can see him continuing to improve this season then doing really well wherever he goes next season Exactly, I can see him shining next season and hopefully that is with us. We'd have to be favourites to get him on loan again as we are giving him plenty of playing time and we are his preferred option aswell.
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Post by drippinggoatsnob on Dec 29, 2022 14:12:23 GMT
I like how he has started to spin off his marker and run with the ball. Like so many young players his end product needs to be brushed up on. Time on the pitch helps.
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Post by idle on Jan 10, 2023 9:49:32 GMT
There are some on here now saying we should get rid of Liam now that Rory is gone: What good would that do unless we loan (yes loan, we can't afford any striker right now) another striker? Are there players we should be using instead of him in the squad?
Gayle, Campbell and Brown have hardly set the world on fire, have they. Tezgel is too young, but should be given playing time as a sub and maybe a couple of starts (in away games to not ruin his self-confidence), but other than that we don't really have many alternatives.
And if Gayle gets injured again we have to start with Campbell and Brown. Those two just don't work together as a pairing.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jan 10, 2023 10:13:56 GMT
Dad leaving might be the making of him.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 10, 2023 10:55:53 GMT
Dad leaving might be the making of him. Exactly. It can't be easy having your dad as coach. Even at schoolboy level you get comments like you're only in the team cos your dad runs the training sessions. If the split was amicable I see no reason why Liam's situation would change and I don't think Man City would have allowed him to become cup tied on Sunday if the intention was for him to go back or somewhere else.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 10, 2023 11:28:26 GMT
If Delap actually had a midfield behind him it would help massively. He’s learning and young, how about directing annoyance towards Baker, Smallbone, Thompson etc
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Post by a on Jan 10, 2023 12:24:39 GMT
He really isn’t the type of game changer we thought we were getting when he arrived. He’s shown a few glimpses that he might be ok in a few years but nothing more. We’d be better off giving our own teenage striker a run in Tezgel, at least he’s a Stoke player and we might get some long term benefit. That my concern with Delap, he’ll iron out his flaws just in time for the summer and then Burnley, Anderlecht, Rangers or someone will reap the rewards next season…….. Probably!
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Post by a on Jan 10, 2023 12:26:53 GMT
I like how he has started to spin off his marker and run with the ball. Like so many young players his end product needs to be brushed up on. Time on the pitch helps. Nobody could argue he hasn’t been given a chance. Played 22, started 14, 3 goals. I really hope he finds some form and soon, otherwise he’ll no doubt get dropped, he can’t continue to play if he isn’t contributing.
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Post by a on Jan 10, 2023 12:29:49 GMT
If Delap actually had a midfield behind him it would help massively. He’s learning and young, how about directing annoyance towards Baker, Smallbone, Thompson etc The strikers are getting service though. We average 4.2 shots per game. Top Burnley average 4.6, scoring 52 goals, We’ve scored 28… I’d argue the issue is poor finishing from not the midfielders, but the strikers.
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Post by peterthornesboots on Jan 10, 2023 12:31:03 GMT
I actually think we need to try to loan him next season too. As others have said you can clearly see improvements as he adapts his game slowly. I can see him continuing to improve this season then doing really well wherever he goes next season Exactly, I can see him shining next season and hopefully that is with us. We'd have to be favourites to get him on loan again as we are giving him plenty of playing time and we are his preferred option aswell. It might depend on what division we are playing in! 😂 It would be interesting to know what Manchester City think about how his season has gone so far. He has struggled a little with that jump from u23 (or is it u21?) football into the mad, bad world of the professional game. He will be better for his season with us, but I sense that some other club will be getting the benefit next year rather than us ...
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