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Post by pushon on Mar 21, 2023 12:36:16 GMT
Without wanting to sound harsh, if you watch/listen to Delap interviews he doesn't seem to be the sharpest tool in the box so to speak, when you watch him on the pitch it seems to me he lacks a bit of intelligence there too. It's looking likely that he was so good at youth level due to his physical attributes rather than his technique and intelligence. He was a flat track bully at that level who so far appears to be struggling with the step up. He'll no doubt have a decent career and may well find himself in the Championship or maybe eventually lower Prem but I don't think he'll ever amount to much more as he just isn't capable. I was thinking exactly the same thing. I suspect it runs in the family. Intelligence is often a quality that's underrated in the British game it seems to me and the army style approach to player development and discipline within the game doesn't encourage development of critical thinking skills, so it's hard for intelligence and creativity to flourish even where it does exist, I'd say. It rather suggests he should be taken back into the Man City fold, for some intense Pep one on one coaching. He certainly has the intensity to be the next Shearer (if that's possible) but unfortunately not the nous.
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Post by flea79 on Mar 21, 2023 12:44:11 GMT
I was thinking exactly the same thing. I suspect it runs in the family. Intelligence is often a quality that's underrated in the British game it seems to me and the army style approach to player development and discipline within the game doesn't encourage development of critical thinking skills, so it's hard for intelligence and creativity to flourish even where it does exist, I'd say. It rather suggests he should be taken back into the Man City fold, for some intense Pep one on one coaching. He certainly has the intensity to be the next Shearer (if that's possible) but unfortunately not the nous. He is young and needs the right manager/coaching too tease out what could well be inside him
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Post by nott1 on Mar 21, 2023 12:57:44 GMT
The guy at Notts County would have taken most of the chances Brown keeps missing! Not knocking him at all as he's certainly banged them in this season, albeit in the conference but he's 26 years old and has only really scored goals for one season at Gateshead and this season looking at his stats. I know you've got to have the instinct to be a goal scorer at whatever level but what makes you think he'd get into those positions in our league which is a much higher step up and get the goals he has in the conference league? I'm not saying he wouldn't as other than the goals this season I don't know an awful lot about him and obviously you've got players like Vardy who made the step up and banged the goals in, but for every Vardy there is twenty players who tear the conference up but are shit at our level and even lower. He scored 34 last year too. Worth a punt but could be £1m now.
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Post by bgreen13 on Mar 21, 2023 14:19:20 GMT
With how he played and how we're playing now does anyone else feel it was a bit hasty on all fronts to get rid/leave? He was a busy energetic sort, over eager with the fouls but you'd hope that could be coached out of him. More of a presence than Gayle/Brown and a slight bit more of a threat. No one wanted to seemingly keep the loan alive but with how things have gone, looks a bad call on definitely Man City's and his front. Obviously doesn't look bad for us at all but he does seem suited to this style and I'd fancy him to be more a threat than the current 2 that have played up front. 😂😂 Clutching at straws for negativity. Absolutely hating the positivity around Stoke at the moment aren't you?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2023 14:27:45 GMT
I was really surprised how bad his touch and use of his body was.
He should be scanning ( looking over his shoulder) when the ball is on its way to him and taking the ball on the half turn, so he is half way past his man with his first touch .
His awareness, body shape, first touch was surprisingly poor for a player arriving from man city .
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Post by shakermaker on Mar 21, 2023 15:40:37 GMT
And whilst Liam is floundering on Preston’s bench doing his best to resemble a Championship striker, Ferguson at Brighton has broken through into the first team and looks the part.
Maybe when we take on U21 loans, we should look past the goals scored at reserve level or the club they come from, and try and look harder at technical ability and movement. That’s what decent scouts should be doing.
If someone had spotted that about Ferguson at the start of the season and we’d inquired about him, he may well have been here for at least half a season.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Mar 21, 2023 18:08:42 GMT
Not knocking him at all as he's certainly banged them in this season, albeit in the conference but he's 26 years old and has only really scored goals for one season at Gateshead and this season looking at his stats. I know you've got to have the instinct to be a goal scorer at whatever level but what makes you think he'd get into those positions in our league which is a much higher step up and get the goals he has in the conference league? I'm not saying he wouldn't as other than the goals this season I don't know an awful lot about him and obviously you've got players like Vardy who made the step up and banged the goals in, but for every Vardy there is twenty players who tear the conference up but are shit at our level and even lower. He scored 34 last year too. Worth a punt but could be £1m now. Yes with Gateshead wasn't it? I mean other than seeing some of his goals this season I've not seen alot of him but like you say could be worth a punt. I'm sure they'll want decent money for him especially if they go up as he is their main man.
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Post by boltonstokie on Mar 21, 2023 18:17:21 GMT
With how he played and how we're playing now does anyone else feel it was a bit hasty on all fronts to get rid/leave? He was a busy energetic sort, over eager with the fouls but you'd hope that could be coached out of him. More of a presence than Gayle/Brown and a slight bit more of a threat. No one wanted to seemingly keep the loan alive but with how things have gone, looks a bad call on definitely Man City's and his front. Obviously doesn't look bad for us at all but he does seem suited to this style and I'd fancy him to be more a threat than the current 2 that have played up front. I’d have anyone playing rather than Brown!! Gayle however offers far more than you realise.
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Post by stokie1 on Mar 21, 2023 18:35:25 GMT
With how he played and how we're playing now does anyone else feel it was a bit hasty on all fronts to get rid/leave? He was a busy energetic sort, over eager with the fouls but you'd hope that could be coached out of him. More of a presence than Gayle/Brown and a slight bit more of a threat. No one wanted to seemingly keep the loan alive but with how things have gone, looks a bad call on definitely Man City's and his front. Obviously doesn't look bad for us at all but he does seem suited to this style and I'd fancy him to be more a threat than the current 2 that have played up front. I’d have anyone playing rather than Brown!! Gayle however offers far more than you realise. So does Brown
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Mar 21, 2023 19:27:06 GMT
With how he played and how we're playing now does anyone else feel it was a bit hasty on all fronts to get rid/leave? He was a busy energetic sort, over eager with the fouls but you'd hope that could be coached out of him. More of a presence than Gayle/Brown and a slight bit more of a threat. No one wanted to seemingly keep the loan alive but with how things have gone, looks a bad call on definitely Man City's and his front. Obviously doesn't look bad for us at all but he does seem suited to this style and I'd fancy him to be more a threat than the current 2 that have played up front. I’d have anyone playing rather than Brown!! Gayle however offers far more than you realise. I find myself sticking up for Gayle on a number of occasions. I watch games and I genuinely see what he brings, His touch and the way he can links up a counter attack with a quick first touch and gets us moving up the pitch. People judge him solely on goals, I do get it but I think we saw on Saturday the difference in quality on the ball between Gayle and Brown. I think back to his ball infield to Smallbone against Sunderland and his cross for Hoever against Blackburn. He brings attributes to the side.
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Post by boltonstokie on Mar 22, 2023 4:19:04 GMT
I’d have anyone playing rather than Brown!! Gayle however offers far more than you realise. So does Brown We can agree to disagree. As far as I’m concerned, he’s horrific and playing at a level several leagues higher than he belongs. Next season you won’t see his name anywhere near our squad.
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