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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2022 18:57:04 GMT
I think this from Homzy is exactly right. He doesn't put a high enough premium on just getting hold of the ball. His mind is already whirring away trying to think of his next move, and he ends up getting caught between the 2 stools. He probably could get away with it in the u23s, against a young 18 year-old lad but he can't at this level. He's got the strength to do it. And there are loads of flashes of real potential in his general play. For a 19yo playing his first few games of men's football, there's loads to work with. He isn't a wonderkid, but he's still capable of developing into a real player. It's an interesting point, but all the best professional players know in their head where they're going to play the ball before it's even got to them. Perhaps that's a mentality of being coached at Man City?
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Post by milky on Dec 26, 2022 18:58:43 GMT
I think there's definitely something there.
He started the 2nd half pretty well but his decision making is awful and he is as clumsy as fuck.
Currently he is looking like a poor version of Lee Chapman.
Again though he has age on his side.
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Post by gingerninja on Dec 26, 2022 19:00:29 GMT
I know I keep banging on about it, but our coaching staff just sit there liked stuffed monkeys during the game, not nearly proactive enough. Delap's body position when receiving the ball is all wrong, he's almost trying to half turn before the balls arrived. We lose so many balls played into our strikers feet. For me a big receptive target man to play off would be my number one target in January.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2022 19:02:32 GMT
He seems a bit too pumped up. Needs to be taught a bit of composure. That will come with experience. But he won’t be here for us to see it.
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Post by Davef on Dec 26, 2022 19:04:37 GMT
I think this from Homzy is exactly right. He doesn't put a high enough premium on just getting hold of the ball. His mind is already whirring away trying to think of his next move, and he ends up getting caught between the 2 stools. He probably could get away with it in the u23s, against a young 18 year-old lad but he can't at this level. He's got the strength to do it. And there are loads of flashes of real potential in his general play. For a 19yo playing his first few games of men's football, there's loads to work with. He isn't a wonderkid, but he's still capable of developing into a real player. The club should be really looking at getting Liam on another year's loan. This season will have been a massive learning curve for him, coming up against vastly experienced centre halves. It seems pointless for us to give him a year's experience at this level and then see him sign for another Championship club and potentially see him start to blossom somewhere else.
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 26, 2022 19:09:02 GMT
I think this from Homzy is exactly right. He doesn't put a high enough premium on just getting hold of the ball. His mind is already whirring away trying to think of his next move, and he ends up getting caught between the 2 stools. He probably could get away with it in the u23s, against a young 18 year-old lad but he can't at this level. He's got the strength to do it. And there are loads of flashes of real potential in his general play. For a 19yo playing his first few games of men's football, there's loads to work with. He isn't a wonderkid, but he's still capable of developing into a real player. The club should be really looking at getting Liam on another year's loan. This season will have been a massive learning curve for him, coming up against vastly experienced centre halves. It seems pointless for us to give him a year's experience at this level and then see him sign for another Championship club and potentially see him start to blossom somewhere else. Or we could look elsewhere for someone who’s actually good enough? The only thing more laughable than spending a fortune to loan a kid whose best strength *is* his strength and play him in a league full of stronger centre backs, is to waste the time and effort to do it again the year after.
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Post by liathroid on Dec 26, 2022 19:09:05 GMT
I think this from Homzy is exactly right. He doesn't put a high enough premium on just getting hold of the ball. His mind is already whirring away trying to think of his next move, and he ends up getting caught between the 2 stools. He probably could get away with it in the u23s, against a young 18 year-old lad but he can't at this level. He's got the strength to do it. And there are loads of flashes of real potential in his general play. For a 19yo playing his first few games of men's football, there's loads to work with. He isn't a wonderkid, but he's still capable of developing into a real player. The club should be really looking at getting Liam on another year's loan. This season will have been a massive learning curve for him, coming up against vastly experienced centre halves. It seems pointless for us to give him a year's experience at this level and then see him sign for another Championship club and potentially see him start to blossom somewhere else. good shout that
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Post by Davef on Dec 26, 2022 19:17:56 GMT
The club should be really looking at getting Liam on another year's loan. This season will have been a massive learning curve for him, coming up against vastly experienced centre halves. It seems pointless for us to give him a year's experience at this level and then see him sign for another Championship club and potentially see him start to blossom somewhere else. Or we could look elsewhere for someone who’s actually good enough? The only thing more laughable than spending a fortune to loan a kid whose best strength *is* his strength and play him in a league full of stronger centre backs, is to waste the time and effort to do it again the year after. Like who? Benik Afobe? Sam Vokes? Dwight Gayle? You'll be among the first to moan your sorry backside off if Liam rocked up at Preston next season and scored 15-20 goals.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Dec 26, 2022 19:21:43 GMT
He's showing some good signs recently, and with coaching, eg taking his time gathering in the ball, he could improve massively very quickly, once he calms down If we could for a reasonable fee I'd sign him in the summer. I think he'll be available
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Post by nonameface on Dec 26, 2022 19:26:09 GMT
The club should be really looking at getting Liam on another year's loan. This season will have been a massive learning curve for him, coming up against vastly experienced centre halves. It seems pointless for us to give him a year's experience at this level and then see him sign for another Championship club and potentially see him start to blossom somewhere else. Or we could look elsewhere for someone who’s actually good enough? The only thing more laughable than spending a fortune to loan a kid whose best strength *is* his strength and play him in a league full of stronger centre backs, is to waste the time and effort to do it again the year after. In his last few games his awareness of the opposition's defenders has been much better, as has his awareness of the rest of our team. If he continues to improve at the same rate he has so far he'll be top end championship / bottom end premier league by the end of the season. Its crazy to think he's 19.
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Post by cvillestokie on Dec 26, 2022 19:26:43 GMT
Or we could look elsewhere for someone who’s actually good enough? The only thing more laughable than spending a fortune to loan a kid whose best strength *is* his strength and play him in a league full of stronger centre backs, is to waste the time and effort to do it again the year after. Like who? Benik Afobe? Sam Vokes? Dwight Gayle? You'll be among the first to moan your sorry backside off if Liam rocked up at Preston next season and scored 15-20 goals. I wouldn’t. I didn’t want him here in the first place. I’m not a scout, so the “like who” argument is kind of stupid. Jutkiewicz and Joao both spring to mind as players who could do a much, much better job as a target man than Delap though. Delap is among the worst strikers in the league. He may have potential, he may well not fulfill it.
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Post by theblackdeath on Dec 26, 2022 19:58:57 GMT
I thought he looked dangerous but today wasn't his day. I really don't understand radio jokes agenda with him they were way over the top in his criticism today has he refused an interview or something?
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Dec 26, 2022 20:46:37 GMT
His decision making is extremely woeful!!!
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Post by generationex on Dec 26, 2022 20:55:19 GMT
We’re providing an excellent apprenticeship for him. He will come good but after he’s left annoyingly (not necessarily at Man City).
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Post by lordb on Dec 26, 2022 21:06:16 GMT
I see Josh Maja has scored 7 goals in 11 for Bordeaux an example of sticking with a goalscorer
Everyone is correct to point to Delap decision making, poor touch and lack of nous re getting into grappling matches
However he's scored at every level right though and scored all sorts of quality goals
Stick with him Another loan is a great suggestion
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Post by owdestokie2 on Dec 26, 2022 21:30:20 GMT
I have to smile at some of the comments on here about a 19 year old forward playing for the first time in a league of men.
Today.
1. Quality of service?
2. He consistently searched for, and tried to link up play from within 20 yards of his own half. He “lone” battled against older and some could argue more experienced EPL defenders, yes he gave away fouls. Yes he could have done better with some opportunities.
3. How many chances were created “for him” to miss?
4. Who was more of a threat as a forward (defenders thinking about him) …..him or Campbell?
Stato’s. More positive touches….him or Campbell?
I’m simply trying to put forward an alternative viewpoint
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 26, 2022 21:39:37 GMT
I have to smile at some of the comments on here about a 19 year old forward playing for the first time in a league of men. Today.
1. Quality of service? 2. He consistently searched for, and tried to link up play from within 20 yards of his own half. He “lone” battled against older and some could argue more experienced EPL defenders, yes he gave away fouls. Yes he could have done better with some opportunities. 3. How many chances were created “for him” to miss? 4. Who was more of a threat as a forward (defenders thinking about him) …..him or Campbell? Stato’s. More positive touches….him or Campbell? I’m simply trying to put forward an alternative viewpoint The answer to question 3 is 3 in 25 mins and he missed them all his finishing is diabolical I actually can't recall worse its Bamber Lightborne and Scott like he makes Jacob brown look like Jimmy Greaves
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Post by owdestokie2 on Dec 26, 2022 21:43:07 GMT
I have to smile at some of the comments on here about a 19 year old forward playing for the first time in a league of men. Today.
1. Quality of service? 2. He consistently searched for, and tried to link up play from within 20 yards of his own half. He “lone” battled against older and some could argue more experienced EPL defenders, yes he gave away fouls. Yes he could have done better with some opportunities. 3. How many chances were created “for him” to miss? 4. Who was more of a threat as a forward (defenders thinking about him) …..him or Campbell? Stato’s. More positive touches….him or Campbell? I’m simply trying to put forward an alternative viewpoint The answer to question 3 is 3 in 25 mins and he missed them all his finishing is diabolical I actually can't recall worse its Bamber Lightborne and Scott like he makes Jacob brown look like Jimmy Greaves He’s a shit 19 year old. Fuck him off.
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Post by lordb on Dec 26, 2022 21:48:03 GMT
I have to smile at some of the comments on here about a 19 year old forward playing for the first time in a league of men. Today.
1. Quality of service? 2. He consistently searched for, and tried to link up play from within 20 yards of his own half. He “lone” battled against older and some could argue more experienced EPL defenders, yes he gave away fouls. Yes he could have done better with some opportunities. 3. How many chances were created “for him” to miss? 4. Who was more of a threat as a forward (defenders thinking about him) …..him or Campbell? Stato’s. More positive touches….him or Campbell? I’m simply trying to put forward an alternative viewpoint The answer to question 3 is 3 in 25 mins and he missed them all his finishing is diabolical I actually can't recall worse its Bamber Lightborne and Scott like he makes Jacob brown look like Jimmy Greaves The 3 chances First he made himself with good footwork (which none of the 3 you reference did once between them) before his shot was blocked by superb defending the second was outside box when he showed worse footwork than even those 3 so black mark there however he still would have had a lot to do the third was a header he was stretching to get to an overhit cross, wasn't a chance at all The worst misses today were Campbell one on one (which he's normally good at) and Brown's horror miss with a gaping goal
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Post by questionable on Dec 26, 2022 21:49:05 GMT
I thought he looked dangerous but today wasn't his day. I really don't understand radio jokes agenda with him they were way over the top in his criticism today has he refused an interview or something? Dangerous, come off it, He’s far from dangerous. I’d rather Tezquel on the pitch than him.
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Post by malisastokie on Dec 26, 2022 22:11:59 GMT
He was sent out on loan by Man C for a couple of reasons:
1. He is still work in progress and will not develop any further playing against under 21 sides.
- He has improved and is a genuine threat to opposing sides defences.
- he will continue to improve because at 19 their in a decent centre forward at this level.
2. To access him further and decide if he has a future at Man C.
- After half a season and the style of centre forward he is , he is more suited to a championship side of bottom half PL side not a side competing at Champions League level.
The outcome from this loan spell I think is he will continue improve and never play for Man C again.
We as a club are developing him and I personally would love him to stay at the club and we continue his football development.
Does Neil need to play him week in week out… at present yes because Brown is the only other option and he an athlete not a footballer.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 26, 2022 22:16:51 GMT
He was sent out on loan by Man C for a couple of reasons: 1. He is still work in progress and will not develop any further playing against under 21 sides. - He has improved and is a genuine threat to opposing sides defences. - he will continue to improve because at 19 their in a decent centre forward at this level. 2. To access him further and decide if he has a future at Man C. - After half a season and the style of centre forward he is , he is more suited to a championship side of bottom half PL side not a side competing at Champions League level. The outcome from this loan spell I think is he will continue improve and never play for Man C again. We as a club are developing him and I personally would love him to stay at the club and we continue his football development. Does Neil need to play him week in week out… at present yes because Brown is the only other option and he an athlete not a footballer. Browns q better finisher and that's a low bar but hew a better centre forward than delap right now
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Post by trout-licker on Dec 26, 2022 22:18:38 GMT
He's a 19 year old kid playing his first senior season. I'm not sure what people expected
He's been used to being the best in his age group and overpowering the kids he was playing against. He's realised he can't do that now and is naive and too enthusiastic at times but experience will sort that out.
There is no doubt he's a class player.
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Post by a on Dec 26, 2022 22:18:43 GMT
Easily our biggest threat Size-wise? 😆 he’s young to be fair. perhaps he was overhyped
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 26, 2022 22:22:45 GMT
He's a 19 year old kid playing his first senior season. I'm not sure what people expected He's been used to being the best in his age group and overpowering the kids he was playing against. He's realised he can't do that now and is naive at times but experience will sort that out. There is no doubt he's a class player. I see not a shred of class in him his shooting is atrocious his first touch as bad his football brain worse than both he is a trier for sure but so was Andy Cooke and lovely committed guy he was he was he wasnt the answer so i hope your right and seeing something I can't
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2022 22:28:50 GMT
Pro striker should be, one touch and BANG
One touch to take it away from the defender and then a strike at the goal
He is nowhere near this ( the basics)
Never mind smart arse stuff , like getting the defender where you want him , before suddenly arriving on the ball
Amazingly he is not the worse we have
What do they do in training?
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Post by trout-licker on Dec 26, 2022 23:20:00 GMT
He's a 19 year old kid playing his first senior season. I'm not sure what people expected He's been used to being the best in his age group and overpowering the kids he was playing against. He's realised he can't do that now and is naive at times but experience will sort that out. There is no doubt he's a class player. I see not a shred of class in him his shooting is atrocious his first touch as bad his football brain worse than both he is a trier for sure but so was Andy Cooke and lovely committed guy he was he was he wasnt the answer so i hope your right and seeing something I can't The fact we possess zero creativity is making things a lot harder for him too
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Post by stokemark on Dec 26, 2022 23:35:13 GMT
Our forward line is shit - Delap and Brown (when the latter plays there) are both poor finishers and let's face it Dwight Gayle an unmitigated disaster.
Campbell is our biggest threat and he blows hot and cold.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 26, 2022 23:42:51 GMT
He's slowly getting better, I can see him going on a goalscoring run for the last third of the season .
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Post by kev4chaz on Dec 27, 2022 9:03:12 GMT
He does remind me of Lee Chapman as a youngster. Similarly hounded by Stoke fans . Good coaching and experience and it will all click as it did with Chapman. Question is are we willing to wait.
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