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Alex neil
Nov 12, 2022 18:01:28 GMT
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Post by potterfox1011 on Nov 12, 2022 18:01:28 GMT
Pretty much blaming the whole of today's shambles on Nick Powell going off injured, on Radio Stoke at the moment 🤦 unfortunately we need to stop relying on nick Powell as he rarely completes 90 minutes.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 12, 2022 18:02:27 GMT
As the games pass us by,I keep thinking it's early days and Neil will prove himself but it's been a very uninspiring transition from O'Neill.Kept reading on here that the squad was good enough to be top 6,well there's not been an easier season to reach those heights,and he's looking way out of his depth. Just because some fans are saying the squad is top 6… doesn’t mean that it is. Maybe he’s achieving par for the squad he has. Maybe the squad is shit. No shit.
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Alex neil
Nov 12, 2022 18:03:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2022 18:03:36 GMT
Backed every manager. Another lame excuse This I can't disagree with, they all had money to get players in even with FFP, the last bloke even had enough to waste 3.5mil on a player he didn't want. Said from day 1 his football is awful and a poor appointment. Am really hoping to be proved wrong. He knew the squad when he signed up and is serving up utter dross with them. At least we won't have to listen to his rubbish for a month now and watch it either
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Post by silsdenstokie on Nov 12, 2022 18:04:54 GMT
The same feeling I had with Rowett, Jones and MON is creeping in! To be fair, MON was initially pretty good, certainly for his first 12 months As per usual though we let him stay long past his shelf life
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2022 18:06:08 GMT
Now would be the best time to sack him if the board were of a mind to do so….. I get he's had no window etc but I wouldn't think the worst idea in the world. Will be too late come March . Won't happen though. It's not just the results , it's his inability to set teams up . It's appalling
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 12, 2022 18:07:02 GMT
The same feeling I had with Rowett, Jones and MON is creeping in! To be fair, MON was initially pretty good, certainly for his first 12 months As per usual though we let him stay long past his shelf life It's just a pity his first 12 months didn't encompass a whole season just 2 halves of 2 different seasons!
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Post by loosestools on Nov 12, 2022 18:10:22 GMT
He like O'Neil without the O
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Post by independent on Nov 12, 2022 18:11:56 GMT
I wish people would shut the fuck up about Neil going as it's not going to happen. He has clearly come here for the cash and patently bitten off more than he can chew but he is here now for at least the rest of the season. whilst I agree, your comment does beg the question of who the hell is up to taking on the job? The Club clearly has something unmanageable going on, it seems. I think we need a bit of patience. Hopefully get a few players in next January that will make a difference. If not, we will have to limp to June. Then AN should be able to get his own team together. There has to be 3 teams even worse than us in this league.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Nov 12, 2022 18:14:05 GMT
To be fair, MON was initially pretty good, certainly for his first 12 months As per usual though we let him stay long past his shelf life It's just a pity his first 12 months didn't encompass a whole season just 2 halves of 2 different seasons! Yeah, great job keeping us up then he was going great guns the following season until Campbell got injured (December time?). Pretty much downhill after that save for a short period at the start of 21/22
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Post by LGH87 on Nov 12, 2022 18:15:27 GMT
I said at the time Carrick would’ve been my no.1 target.
Alex Neil may only be 41 but he’s not an up and coming manager, he peaked 6 years ago.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Nov 12, 2022 18:17:31 GMT
Did he start this evenings summary with "To all the Stoke City fans in attendance, and all those listening or watching I want to apologise for the spineless shower of shit on the pitch today, and the utter pig swill they offered as some sort of excuse of football...."
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Post by loosestools on Nov 12, 2022 18:17:35 GMT
I said at the time Carrick would’ve been my no.1 target. Alex Neil may only be 41 but he’s not an up and coming manager, he peaked 6 years ago. Defiantly the age and type of manager that is required.
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Alex neil
Nov 12, 2022 18:18:29 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Nov 12, 2022 18:18:29 GMT
Utter dog shit, a Watford board would sack him!
The fans were letting the players know their feelings at the end and they had the good sense to hightail it back to the safety of the dressing room
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 12, 2022 18:20:47 GMT
The recruitment looked questionable - and it's looking worse as time has gone on. It takes some doing to have a below average transfer window in this division where nobody has tuppence to rub together - but we've gone and done it.
Obviously not helped by building a team over the summer for MONball, then handing the keys to Neil who wants completely different profiles.
We had nothing to go on with Smallbone and Kilkenny, and one's been really poor and one hasn't played.
Flint looked a shocker - and so it's proved. Clarke is willing, but raw, and has only shone at Inverness. Delap is obviously a massive disappointment - and one that most of the division would have taken. Nobody really knew which version of Gayle we'd be getting as he'd been a Ferrari who'd been in the garage for 2-3 years. There was always a risk parts were falling off.
Baker has regressed terribly, Tymon, Brown, Powell, Souttar and Campbell haven't had a run of games - and Campbell particularly looks completely off the pace, Laurent hasn't got going yet - and we haven't got a Champ-standard keeper.
Fosu, the afterthought, is maybe the only one who has offered anything but hasn't really been used in his position.
So as thoroughly underwhelming as Neil has been, there is some mitigation. He's probably another manager who's shocked to see the state of the squad once you look under the bonnet.
It's been desperately, desperately poor though. We're not even getting the very impressive away performance every 5-6 weeks (followed by a month of shit) we got under MON.
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Post by independent on Nov 12, 2022 18:23:18 GMT
The same feeling I had with Rowett, Jones and MON is creeping in! To be fair, MON was initially pretty good, certainly for his first 12 months As per usual though we let him stay long past his shelf life He was given the job of dismantllng the team that he inherited,with no money to spend. While at the same time reducing the wage bill to a third or a quarter of what it was when he arrived. I thought that he should have seen his contract out and left in June '23. Personally, I think he would have done better than AN has done so far. It looks to me that AN has lost the dressing room, so the sooner he can get his own players in the better. I think it is obvious that he can't get the present players to play for him.
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Post by gawa on Nov 12, 2022 18:23:47 GMT
Few unfair comments on here.
Considering the squad he inherited and the terrible state of fitness they were in too, I actually think Alex Neil has done a tremendous job so far to keep us out of the relegation zone.
We do have a bit of a rebuild ahead but im sure we can challenge for top half in a few seasons. Just got to give him time and a few windows to get his own players in.
Literally don't think any manager could do better than AN has given the circumstances.
Few unfair comments on here tonight.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 12, 2022 18:26:01 GMT
To be fair, MON was initially pretty good, certainly for his first 12 months As per usual though we let him stay long past his shelf life He was given the job of dismantllng the team that he inherited,with no money to spend. While at the same time reducing the wage bill to a third or a quarter of what it was when he arrived. I thought that he should have seen his contract out and left in June '23. Personally, I think he would have done better than AN has done so far. It looks to me that AN has lost the dressing room, so the sooner he can get his own players in the better. I think it is obvious that he can't get the present players to play for him. MON's results were bad. AN is doing badly too but I just don't see a single relevant metric related to MON's last six or so months in the job to suggest he'd be doing better, and more damningly it's the squad he assembled. What was going to get better? Was he going to unmuddle the muddle he'd created?
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Alex neil
Nov 12, 2022 18:27:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2022 18:27:08 GMT
Few unfair comments on here. Considering the squad he inherited and the terrible state of fitness they were in too, I actually think Alex Neil has done a tremendous job so far to keep us out of the relegation zone. We do have a bit of a rebuild ahead but im sure we can challenge for top half in a few seasons. Just got to give him time and a few windows to get his own players in. Literally don't think any manager could do better than AN has given the circumstances. Few unfair comments on here tonight. West Brom have managed to get 3 wins out if 4 with a squad below us and plenty of weaker squads above us in the league. Saying he needs his own players before he can do anything I'd basically saying he is incapable of managing
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Alex neil
Nov 12, 2022 18:28:41 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Nov 12, 2022 18:28:41 GMT
To be fair, MON was initially pretty good, certainly for his first 12 months As per usual though we let him stay long past his shelf life He was given the job of dismantllng the team that he inherited,with no money to spend. While at the same time reducing the wage bill to a third or a quarter of what it was when he arrived. I thought that he should have seen his contract out and left in June '23. Personally, I think he would have done better than AN has done so far. It looks to me that AN has lost the dressing room, so the sooner he can get his own players in the better. I think it is obvious that he can't get the present players to play for him. Today was the first time I’ve thought it but they certainly didn’t look like they were playing for him today, downed tools or complete incompetence, neither is good
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Post by independent on Nov 12, 2022 18:33:10 GMT
He was given the job of dismantllng the team that he inherited,with no money to spend. While at the same time reducing the wage bill to a third or a quarter of what it was when he arrived. I thought that he should have seen his contract out and left in June '23. Personally, I think he would have done better than AN has done so far. It looks to me that AN has lost the dressing room, so the sooner he can get his own players in the better. I think it is obvious that he can't get the present players to play for him. MON's results were bad. AN is doing badly too but I just don't see a single relevant metric related to MON's last six or so months in the job to suggest he'd be doing better, and more damningly it's the squad he assembled. What was going to get better? Was he going to unmuddle the muddle he'd created? YES. I think he would have shaped them into a team. Not a very good one, but one that wanted to play for him. I really think that he would have gotten more out of them and more points than AN has so far. But I could be wrong. We just have to hope that we can survive this season.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Nov 12, 2022 18:35:19 GMT
The recruitment looked questionable - and it's looking worse as time has gone on. It takes some doing to have a below average transfer window in this division where nobody has tuppence to rub together - but we've gone and done it. Obviously not helped by building a team over the summer for MONball, then handing the keys to Neil who wants completely different profiles. We had nothing to go on with Smallbone and Kilkenny, and one's been really poor and one hasn't played. Flint looked a shocker - and so it's proved. Clarke is willing, but raw, and has only shone at Inverness. Delap is obviously a massive disappointment - and one that most of the division would have taken. Nobody really knew which version of Gayle we'd be getting as he'd been a Ferrari who'd been in the garage for 2-3 years. There was always a risk parts were falling off. Baker has regressed terribly, Tymon, Brown, Powell, Souttar and Campbell haven't had a run of games - and Campbell particularly looks completely off the pace, Laurent hasn't got going yet - and we haven't got a Champ-standard keeper. Fosu, the afterthought, is maybe the only one who has offered anything but hasn't really been used in his position. So as thoroughly underwhelming as Neil has been, there is some mitigation. He's probably another manager who's shocked to see the state of the squad once you look under the bonnet. It's been desperately, desperately poor though. We're not even getting the very impressive away performance every 5-6 weeks (followed by a month of shit) we got under MON. But surely he should have noticed once he peaked under the bonnet that the engine needs a bit of a tune up? Get the most out of what you've got rather than tinkering with everything before each trip out. Keep it running until January when you might get a recon engine that allows for a bit more adventurous performance. Or maybe topping up the oil is beyond him?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 12, 2022 18:37:10 GMT
MON's results were bad. AN is doing badly too but I just don't see a single relevant metric related to MON's last six or so months in the job to suggest he'd be doing better, and more damningly it's the squad he assembled. What was going to get better? Was he going to unmuddle the muddle he'd created? YES. I think he would have shaped them into a team. Not a very good one, but one that wanted to play for him. I really think that he would have gotten more out of them and more points than AN has so far. But I could be wrong. We just have to hope that we can survive this season. What are you basing that on? He hadn’t managed to shape them into a team prior to that and he didn’t manage to do it last season either? He’s a partial architect of this situation.
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Alex neil
Nov 12, 2022 18:37:16 GMT
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Post by gawa on Nov 12, 2022 18:37:16 GMT
Few unfair comments on here. Considering the squad he inherited and the terrible state of fitness they were in too, I actually think Alex Neil has done a tremendous job so far to keep us out of the relegation zone. We do have a bit of a rebuild ahead but im sure we can challenge for top half in a few seasons. Just got to give him time and a few windows to get his own players in. Literally don't think any manager could do better than AN has given the circumstances. Few unfair comments on here tonight. West Brom have managed to get 3 wins out if 4 with a squad below us and plenty of weaker squads above us in the league. Saying he needs his own players before he can do anything I'd basically saying he is incapable of managing I get that. But let's at least give him January to see what quality he can bring in before jumping to conclusions. I'm not a big fan but I was for giving MON time and I feel AN deserves the same. The thing that frustrates me most atm is the lack of game time for young academy players and persisting with players who could do with a rest too. Jagielka being one. But I'll try to reserve judgement for now until January unless we look like going down. In which case a change may be needed. But then who do you bring in to save us and who'd be interested.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 12, 2022 18:39:15 GMT
He was given the job of dismantllng the team that he inherited,with no money to spend. While at the same time reducing the wage bill to a third or a quarter of what it was when he arrived. I thought that he should have seen his contract out and left in June '23. Personally, I think he would have done better than AN has done so far. It looks to me that AN has lost the dressing room, so the sooner he can get his own players in the better. I think it is obvious that he can't get the present players to play for him. MON's results were bad. AN is doing badly too but I just don't see a single relevant metric related to MON's last six or so months in the job to suggest he'd be doing better, and more damningly it's the squad he assembled. What was going to get better? Was he going to unmuddle the muddle he'd created? You were a fan of changing the manager to move sideways.When does it stop being O'Neill's fault and Neil can take some reponsibility?
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 12, 2022 18:39:51 GMT
whilst I agree, your comment does beg the question of who the hell is up to taking on the job? The Club clearly has something unmanageable going on, it seems. I think we need a bit of patience. Hopefully get a few players in next January that will make a difference. If not, we will have to limp to June. Then AN should be able to get his own team together. There has to be 3 teams even worse than us in this league. I say between that thought process and one of a darker nature lol. I find it strange that people are advocating getting rid before a previously successful manager has even had a chance to shape the team according to what he's seeing I must say.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 12, 2022 18:42:01 GMT
MON's results were bad. AN is doing badly too but I just don't see a single relevant metric related to MON's last six or so months in the job to suggest he'd be doing better, and more damningly it's the squad he assembled. What was going to get better? Was he going to unmuddle the muddle he'd created? You were a fan of changing the manager to move sideways.When does it stop being O'Neill's fault and Neil can take some reponsibility? I was and am a fan of changing the manager when that manager is clearly running on fumes and doing more harm than good. I’ve never said Neil has no responsibility. He’s underperforming and overall has been a huge disappointment so far. It’ll stop being O’Neill’s fault entirely when it starts looking more like Neil’s team, ie when he’s had a couple of windows.
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Post by gawa on Nov 12, 2022 18:50:05 GMT
YES. I think he would have shaped them into a team. Not a very good one, but one that wanted to play for him. I really think that he would have gotten more out of them and more points than AN has so far. But I could be wrong. We just have to hope that we can survive this season. What are you basing that on? He hadn’t managed to shape them into a team prior to that and he didn’t manage to do it last season either? He’s a partial architect of this situation. www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:championship/daterange/fromdate:2019-Nov-08/todate:2021-Mar-21/type:home-and-away/This is the league table for the period when MON was Stoke manager and AN was Preston manager. It's based from the date MON was appointed so like AN now, it's from mid season when he was working with another man's squad. Except Mon inherited a team bottom and AN was using a team he built. Stoke - 7th - 100 Points - 69 played Preston - 15th - 82 points - 69 played So I think if you're going to argue MON couldn't shape Stoke into a team. On the basis of that table, Alex Neil couldn't do so with Preston either. Sometimes we all need to take off our rose tinted glasses. And despite the above and Alex's poor start. Like with MON, I believe AN needs a bit more patience. For me a competent goalkeeper could turn this time 180. I feel our demise started last autumn/winter when Souttar got injured and Davies left. A new goalkeeper and a returning Souttar is your first 2 pieces to your spine. Few other astute signings and we can be back to winning ways.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 12, 2022 18:51:08 GMT
You were a fan of changing the manager to move sideways.When does it stop being O'Neill's fault and Neil can take some reponsibility? I was and am a fan of changing the manager when that manager is clearly running on fumes and doing more harm than good. I’ve never said Neil has no responsibility. He’s underperforming and overall has been a huge disappointment so far. It’ll stop being O’Neill’s fault entirely when it starts looking more like Neil’s team, ie when he’s had a couple of windows. Bit harsh saying O'Neill was doing more harm than good imo when our best 3/4 players were all injured at the same time. It's the overall narrative on here that's changing which isn't right. There was plenty wanting O'Neill out cos our squad was good enough to be challenging for top 6,now he's gone,the general feeling is Neil needs 2 or more windows to sort out the problems,can't have it both ways.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 12, 2022 18:53:45 GMT
What are you basing that on? He hadn’t managed to shape them into a team prior to that and he didn’t manage to do it last season either? He’s a partial architect of this situation. www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables/competition:championship/daterange/fromdate:2019-Nov-08/todate:2021-Mar-21/type:home-and-away/This is the league table for the period when MON was Stoke manager and AN was Preston manager. It's based from the date MON was appointed so like AN now, it's from mid season when he was working with another man's squad. Except Mon inherited a team bottom and AN was using a team he built. Stoke - 7th - 100 Points - 69 played Preston - 15th - 82 points - 69 played So I think if you're going to argue MON couldn't shape Stoke into a team. On the basis of that table, Alex Neil couldn't do so with Preston either. Sometimes we all need to take off our rose tinted glasses. And despite the above and Alex's poor start. Like with MON, I believe AN needs a bit more patience. For me a competent goalkeeper could turn this time 180. I feel our demise started last autumn/winter when Souttar got injured and Davies left. A new goalkeeper and a returning Souttar is your first 2 pieces to your spine. Few other astute signings and we can be back to winning ways. Why are you taking the dates from when they were appointed though? It doesn’t work like that. Managers have shelf lives. MON had more than reached his with us and the MON who did so well with us when he first arrived was long gone. Neil likewise at Preston, the manager who took them, with one of the smallest budgets and wage bills in the division, to the brink of the play offs twice had lost it by the time he left. Context is everything.
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 12, 2022 18:54:01 GMT
Few unfair comments on here. Considering the squad he inherited and the terrible state of fitness they were in too, I actually think Alex Neil has done a tremendous job so far to keep us out of the relegation zone. We do have a bit of a rebuild ahead but im sure we can challenge for top half in a few seasons. Just got to give him time and a few windows to get his own players in. Literally don't think any manager could do better than AN has given the circumstances. Few unfair comments on here tonight. As I said previously, getting rid of a manager before he has even had one solitary transfer window would represent a new low.. let's face it it's not going to happen and nor should it!
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