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Post by peterthornesboots on Nov 12, 2022 17:25:55 GMT
Ultimately AN needs time and a couple of transfer windows.
However, he should be getting more out of this group of players. Although this squad has deficiencies, it should not be two points off the relegation zone at this point in the season.
My concern is two-fold:
a) First, that we constantly chop and change (both personnel and formation). There is no continuity or stability. Part of this might be because AN simply hasn't worked out what his best team is yet, but, equally, I don't think that it is rocket science either.
b) Second, that I have no idea how we are meant to be playing. Are we a team that goes long and plays percentages? Are we a team that looks to play through the thirds? Are we a team that sits back and plays on te counter? I genuinely have no idea what our style is meant to be at the moment.
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Post by Glory Hunter on Nov 12, 2022 17:26:39 GMT
Yes we can he has been awful and tactically inept.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 12, 2022 17:26:40 GMT
This I can't disagree with, they all had money to get players in even with FFP, the last bloke even had enough to waste 3.5mil on a player he didn't want. Given the thread is about Neil, it isn't correct that he's been backed as of yet, anyway. In fact I'd say the finger absolutely needs to be directed towards Jon Coates with respect to allowing a 'dead man walking' to begin a rebuild then bringing in Neil in the last week of the window.. hard to understand the thinking behind that but one can but assume it's representative of virtually no thinking at all. Fair enough, I wasn't including Neil tbh. It is a strange thing to do, maybe they lost confidence really quickly with MON and felt at least if we give the new man a bit of time it could make a difference, in reality if there was any doubt to begin with they should have got shot then.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 12, 2022 17:27:01 GMT
Now would be the best time to sack him if the board were of a mind to do so….. They shouldn't be.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Nov 12, 2022 17:29:36 GMT
Ultimately AN needs time and a couple of transfer windows. However, he should be getting more out of this group of players. Although this squad has deficiencies, it should not be two points off the relegation zone at this point in the season. My concern is two-fold: a) First, that we constantly chop and change (both personnel and formation). There is no continuity or stability. Part of this might be because AN simply hasn't worked out what his best team is yet, but, equally, I don't think that it is rocket science either. b) Second, that I have no idea how we are meant to be playing. Are we a team that goes long and play percentages? Are we a team that looks to play through the thirds? Are we a team that sits back and plays on te counter? I genuinely have no idea what our style is meant to be at the moment. And c) there is no fight, spirit or leadership on the pitch A B & C are all down to Neil - the modern game doesn’t allow for time and a couple of transfer window…….
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Post by kidcrewbob on Nov 12, 2022 17:31:30 GMT
Now would be the best time to sack him if the board were of a mind to do so….. They shouldn't be. I’d be tempted in their shoes……
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Post by peterthornesboots on Nov 12, 2022 17:31:33 GMT
I didn’t want AN in the first place but now he’s here we have to back him. Yes he picks the team, but it’s not his team. He does need a couple of transfer windows. I think we should be looking at the players rather than the manager… 4 managers now is it? SCFC is the work place which pays good money & is so relaxed & laid back that it doesn’t matter how you perform. The club is/has been a shambles for years now. I was not particularly keen on AN either, but our owners clearly like him (based on that fact that we wanted him when he was in charge of Preston). He seems to have always have done well wherever he has been - so maybe we will be the first blip on his CV? Regardless, there is no point in constantly changing manager. We need to hope that AN can find his feet and get this club moving in the right direction!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Nov 12, 2022 17:33:50 GMT
I’d be tempted in their shoes…… I wouldn't, they've made their choice now they need to stick with it. Most of us wouldn't have wasted the summer on a manager that hadn't looked the part for two seasons so you never know.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Nov 12, 2022 17:35:22 GMT
I’d be tempted in their shoes…… I wouldn't, they've made their choice now they need to stick with it. Most of us wouldn't have wasted the summer on a manager that hadn't looked the part for two seasons so you never know. Fair comment - they’re not the full shilling for sure
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Post by stokesaint1 on Nov 12, 2022 17:35:59 GMT
He needs to find himself a big ugly barsteward to bring in as captain to replace Baker. Baker has been a shadow of himself since he took the armband. Absolutely no leadership on the pitch at all.
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 12, 2022 17:40:27 GMT
Given the thread is about Neil, it isn't correct that he's been backed as of yet, anyway. In fact I'd say the finger absolutely needs to be directed towards Jon Coates with respect to allowing a 'dead man walking' to begin a rebuild then bringing in Neil in the last week of the window.. hard to understand the thinking behind that but one can but assume it's representative of virtually no thinking at all. True but he doesnt pick the team , determine the selection or act like clough in his press conferences and perform like kamara in the dug out Nope, but JC is the point man in respect of poor timing and bad decision making over and over again. Now Neil is here he needs to be given minimum the next window to prove his vision.. whatever that happens to be. I know you have a strong dislike for his style and approach but he's here and he will be given more time.. that much is clear.
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Post by loosestools on Nov 12, 2022 17:43:47 GMT
Can anyone List the differences between AN and Corberan?
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 12, 2022 17:47:20 GMT
Given the thread is about Neil, it isn't correct that he's been backed as of yet, anyway. In fact I'd say the finger absolutely needs to be directed towards Jon Coates with respect to allowing a 'dead man walking' to begin a rebuild then bringing in Neil in the last week of the window.. hard to understand the thinking behind that but one can but assume it's representative of virtually no thinking at all. Fair enough, I wasn't including Neil tbh. It is a strange thing to do, maybe they lost confidence really quickly with MON and felt at least if we give the new man a bit of time it could make a difference, in reality if there was any doubt to begin with they should have got shot then. Given O'Neill had shown remarkably poor form in the second half of both his full seasons it was madness to give him the summer.. I mean shit I know fuck all about management of a football team or running a club, but even I could see O'Neill was a busted flush! It really does beggar belief how bad the club has become since PC started handing over the reins to his idiot of a son.
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Post by scfcwebby on Nov 12, 2022 17:49:56 GMT
Pretty much blaming the whole of today's shambles on Nick Powell going off injured, on Radio Stoke at the moment 🤦
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Post by telfordstokie on Nov 12, 2022 17:50:16 GMT
A few weeks now to reassess things will hopefully make a positive difference. But so far, there’s been no real improvement at all on MON - it’s been a massive disappointment.
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Post by pottersrule on Nov 12, 2022 17:50:31 GMT
Should have waited and got Wilder for free Yes he was brilliant at Boro!
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Post by wuzza on Nov 12, 2022 17:51:07 GMT
Well his tone has changed a bit hasn’t it. Doesn’t sound half as sure of himself. Very defensive interview.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Nov 12, 2022 17:51:12 GMT
They wont get rid of him (and at the moment they shoukdnt)
Theyve wanted him for so long that even if he took us to L2 they probably wouldnt sack him
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Post by scfcwebby on Nov 12, 2022 17:51:24 GMT
Pretty much blaming the whole of today's shambles on Nick Powell going off injured, on Radio Stoke at the moment 🤦 "We've finished in and around 14th for the last few seasons so it's not that much of a drop off"
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Post by stokemark on Nov 12, 2022 17:51:51 GMT
I wish people would shut the fuck up about Neil going as it's not going to happen. He has clearly come here for the cash and patently bitten off more than he can chew but he is here now for at least the rest of the season.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 12, 2022 17:51:59 GMT
Pretty much blaming the whole of today's shambles on Nick Powell going off injured, on Radio Stoke at the moment 🤦 Yes I find that a little strange and especially the fact Powell was designated to pick up Bartley is equally as concerning.Didn’t use Flint or Taylor’s height because of Asante’s pace,a trade off🤔
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Post by scfcwebby on Nov 12, 2022 17:54:26 GMT
Pretty much blaming the whole of today's shambles on Nick Powell going off injured, on Radio Stoke at the moment 🤦 Yes I find that a little strange and especially the fact Powell was designated to pick up Bartley is equally as concerning.Didn’t use Flint or Taylor’s height because of Asante’s pace,a trade off🤔 Awful interview again. We were conerned about Asante's pace so we played the rapid pace of Jagielka and Wilmot 🤦
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Post by bagnallboothen on Nov 12, 2022 17:54:28 GMT
Ultimately AN needs time and a couple of transfer windows. However, he should be getting more out of this group of players. Although this squad has deficiencies, it should not be two points off the relegation zone at this point in the season. My concern is two-fold: a) First, that we constantly chop and change (both personnel and formation). There is no continuity or stability. Part of this might be because AN simply hasn't worked out what his best team is yet, but, equally, I don't think that it is rocket science either. b) Second, that I have no idea how we are meant to be playing. Are we a team that goes long and plays percentages? Are we a team that looks to play through the thirds? Are we a team that sits back and plays on te counter? I genuinely have no idea what our style is meant to be at the moment. Paul Lambert arrived and announced my teams don't play one particular shape or style ... whilst this hasn't been quite that bad it's certainly not far off.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 12, 2022 17:55:29 GMT
Yes I find that a little strange and especially the fact Powell was designated to pick up Bartley is equally as concerning.Didn’t use Flint or Taylor’s height because of Asante’s pace,a trade off🤔 Awful interview again. We were conerned about Asante's pace so we played the rapid pace of Jagielka and Wilmot 🤦 Yes it was bizzare to say the least,got it totally wrong today
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Post by stokemark on Nov 12, 2022 17:56:36 GMT
Yes we can he has been awful and tactically inept. Christ almighty give it a rest
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Post by telfordstokie on Nov 12, 2022 17:56:43 GMT
Pretty much blaming the whole of today's shambles on Nick Powell going off injured, on Radio Stoke at the moment 🤦 "We've finished in and around 14th for the last few seasons so it's not that much of a drop off" Love how all these managers come in on £1.5m a year, talk up how they are going to turn things around then a few months later are rocking out the same excuses and expectation management as the last guy.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 12, 2022 17:59:09 GMT
The same feeling I had with Rowett, Jones and MON is creeping in!
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Post by stokerstayinup on Nov 12, 2022 17:59:14 GMT
As the games pass us by,I keep thinking it's early days and Neil will prove himself but it's been a very uninspiring transition from O'Neill.Kept reading on here that the squad was good enough to be top 6,well there's not been an easier season to reach those heights,and he's looking way out of his depth.
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Post by iglugluk on Nov 12, 2022 17:59:44 GMT
I wish people would shut the fuck up about Neil going as it's not going to happen. He has clearly come here for the cash and patently bitten off more than he can chew but he is here now for at least the rest of the season. whilst I agree, your comment does beg the question of who the hell is up to taking on the job? The Club clearly has something unmanageable going on, it seems.
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Post by scfc75 on Nov 12, 2022 18:00:42 GMT
As the games pass us by,I keep thinking it's early days and Neil will prove himself but it's been a very uninspiring transition from O'Neill.Kept reading on here that the squad was good enough to be top 6,well there's not been an easier season to reach those heights,and he's looking way out of his depth. Just because some fans are saying the squad is top 6… doesn’t mean that it is. Maybe he’s achieving par for the squad he has. Maybe the squad is shit.
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