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Post by lordb on Nov 7, 2022 16:08:47 GMT
He is more or less DoF. I am on record as saying that people who can't select a good manager are unlikely to be good at picking a DoF. Interesting to see how this works out. Some people, I'm sure, will be thrilled to see the club adopting a modern club structure that will undoubtedly contribute hugely to our club's future success. This appears to be an AN appointment
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Post by lordb on Nov 7, 2022 16:09:52 GMT
Now given the manager is few games form the sack none survives 7 defeats in 8 etc. this is madness and where does it else cousins just feels like we are reducing our options when 4 games from now we may need as many as we can get come on AN is not going to get sacked this season, they won't roil the dice again, just not their style you should know that by now
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Post by kidcrewbob on Nov 7, 2022 16:10:34 GMT
Technical director - as daft as technical areas and assistant referees
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Post by Gods on Nov 7, 2022 16:10:43 GMT
He is more or less DoF. I am on record as saying that people who can't select a good manager are unlikely to be good at picking a DoF. Interesting to see how this works out. Some people, I'm sure, will be thrilled to see the club adopting a modern club structure that will undoubtedly contribute hugely to our club's future success. This appears to be an AN appointment I'm surprised he is making other appointments, he is hanging on by a thread himself!
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Post by LGH87 on Nov 7, 2022 16:12:41 GMT
Academy Manager to Technical Director. He seems to have missed out at least 2 stages in his meteoric career progression! He was technical director at Norwich.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 7, 2022 16:17:43 GMT
We just don't learn, even when it seems like we're trying to.
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Post by Pugsley on Nov 7, 2022 16:19:39 GMT
We just don't learn, even when it seems like we're trying to. You've got to want to learn. They appear just lazy.
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Post by march4 on Nov 7, 2022 17:28:37 GMT
Hopefully it says in his contract he will leave the club when AN leaves.
I can’t believe any of O’Neill’s people are still around.
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Post by nottsover60 on Nov 7, 2022 17:32:07 GMT
So all the people who last week were saying that the club remain in the Dark Ages until they realise the way forward is a DoF are getting their excuses in early and predicting failure because this is a terrible appointment and a man chosen by AN.
Firstly how many people actually know anything about the bloke and know who the other options were. Secondly considering he's going to work with AN isn't it a good idea to get on with him. The way of modern recruitment is to have someone who will be working with the recruit on the interview panel. Even children get taught by their prospective new teachers and then asked their opinion on which they like. But of course for the agenda of some people the Coates don't do anything which is progressive or modern day.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 7, 2022 17:43:40 GMT
So all the people who last week were saying that the club remain in the Dark Ages until they realise the way forward is a DoF are getting their excuses in early and predicting failure because this is a terrible appointment and a man chosen by AN. Firstly how many people actually know anything about the bloke and know who the other options were. Secondly considering he's going to work with AN isn't it a good idea to get on with him. The way of modern recruitment is to have someone who will be working with the recruit on the interview panel. Even children get taught by their prospective new teachers and then asked their opinion on which they like. But of course for the agenda of some people the Coates don't do anything which is progressive or modern day. Do children get to appoint their friends as teachers? This is that. It’s what MON was allowed to do as well.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Nov 8, 2022 0:30:29 GMT
Now given the manager is few games form the sack none survives 7 defeats in 8 etc. this is madness and where does it else cousins just feels like we are reducing our options when 4 games from now we may need as many as we can get Few games from the sack? He’s been here 5 fucking minutes man. No one anywhere survives a long run of defeats 2 more before the break and hes under pressure that would be 6 from 7
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Post by nott1 on Nov 8, 2022 9:28:34 GMT
Move confirmed, hope he is a miracle worker.
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Post by shakermaker on Nov 8, 2022 14:50:23 GMT
So all the people who last week were saying that the club remain in the Dark Ages until they realise the way forward is a DoF are getting their excuses in early and predicting failure because this is a terrible appointment and a man chosen by AN. Firstly how many people actually know anything about the bloke and know who the other options were. Secondly considering he's going to work with AN isn't it a good idea to get on with him. The way of modern recruitment is to have someone who will be working with the recruit on the interview panel. Even children get taught by their prospective new teachers and then asked their opinion on which they like. But of course for the agenda of some people the Coates don't do anything which is progressive or modern day. Do children get to appoint their friends as teachers? This is that. It’s what MON was allowed to do as well. That cordiality obviously didn't do any harm at Norwich when AN got them promoted, so if they can replicate that at Stoke it can only be a good thing. There needs to be harmony between manager and the ruling hierarchy, and Ricky will know what tools and support AN requires to do the job required.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 8, 2022 15:01:16 GMT
Do children get to appoint their friends as teachers? This is that. It’s what MON was allowed to do as well. That cordiality obviously didn't do any harm at Norwich when AN got them promoted, so if they can replicate that at Stoke it can only be a good thing. There needs to be harmony between manager and the ruling hierarchy, and Ricky will know what tools and support AN requires to do the job required. That isn't the point though. The role is supposed to exist above the manager, allowing for continuity after the manager has gone. They appoint the managers. It's arse about face.
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Post by clarkeda on Nov 8, 2022 16:45:43 GMT
We got any idea of the recruitment he oversaw while at Norwich?
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Post by shakermaker on Nov 8, 2022 16:46:03 GMT
That cordiality obviously didn't do any harm at Norwich when AN got them promoted, so if they can replicate that at Stoke it can only be a good thing. There needs to be harmony between manager and the ruling hierarchy, and Ricky will know what tools and support AN requires to do the job required. That isn't the point though. The role is supposed to exist above the manager, allowing for continuity after the manager has gone. They appoint the managers. It's arse about face. This is true, and ideally we should have had a technical director in place long before. Short term, it's good that Ricky and AN have a relationship and can now establish a strategy for the January window. Long term, Ricky is the technical director who appointed AN for Norwich in the first place, who went on to lead them to success. So there is at least reason to believe that should AN not work out, Ricky could unearth another good manager.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Nov 8, 2022 16:52:10 GMT
If the role of the technical director is the same as of those on Football Manager, where their areas of expertise are finding the right staff (non-playing) and negotiating their contracts then it’s not so bad the manager influencing the choice of the TD. Ideally though the board would be making that appointment, or the DoF (who themselves would be appointed by the board).
I say ‘the’ board, I wouldn’t trust our board to employ anyone.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 8, 2022 16:55:06 GMT
That isn't the point though. The role is supposed to exist above the manager, allowing for continuity after the manager has gone. They appoint the managers. It's arse about face. This is true, and ideally we should have had a technical director in place long before. Short term, it's good that Ricky and AN have a relationship and can now establish a strategy for the January window. Long term, Ricky is the technical director who appointed AN for Norwich in the first place, who went on to lead them to success. So there is at least reason to believe that should AN not work out, Ricky could unearth another good manager. I guess, although the caveat is that he also left them with a fractured, expensive squad struggling after relegation with the second-highest wage bill in Championship history. Hence Norwich restructuring with the Sporting Director model under Webber.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 9, 2022 17:03:57 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 9, 2022 17:07:45 GMT
"Ricky's reputation in the game speaks for itself"
Well, it doesn't really, does it?
Maybe you could attempt to put it into words, Alex!
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Post by theonlooker on Nov 9, 2022 20:31:29 GMT
"Ricky's reputation in the game speaks for itself" Well, it doesn't really, does it? Maybe you could attempt to put it into words, Alex! I'll do it for him:
"Great, me mates here so I can sign a load of expensive shit and all those joey's upstairs will pay for it. If we fail, we'll both get a nice, fat, juicy pay off.
'Rick-o, get the latest stats on Jayden Stockley' "
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Post by gingerninja on Nov 9, 2022 20:42:42 GMT
Where does this leave Andy Cousins?.
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Post by iamstokie on Nov 9, 2022 20:44:33 GMT
"Ricky's reputation in the game speaks for itself" Well, it doesn't really, does it? Maybe you could attempt to put it into words, Alex! I'll do it for him:
"Great, me mates here so I can sign a load of expensive shit and all those joey's upstairs will pay for it. If we fail, we'll both get a nice, fat, juicy pay off.
'Rick-o, get the latest stats on Jayden Stockley' "
Any idea what their signing were like whilst at Norwich together , I’ve seen the strikers they signed and not impressed tbh ??
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Post by FullerMagic on Nov 9, 2022 20:48:00 GMT
To be fair, he played a part in signing man-of-the moment James Maddison at Norwich
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Post by gingerninja on Nov 9, 2022 20:51:07 GMT
For once, can we just see how it maps out before we start slaughtering him.
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Post by theonlooker on Nov 9, 2022 21:00:58 GMT
To be fair, he played a part in signing man-of-the moment James Maddison at Norwich They also signed Ben Godfrey from York, who didn't turn out three bad either.
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Post by theonlooker on Nov 9, 2022 21:01:27 GMT
For once, can we just see how it maps out before we start slaughtering him. It's just a joke, with a little tip towards the backwards way we are doing things.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Nov 9, 2022 21:12:31 GMT
I can’t so won’t even try to comment upon this gentleman’s appointment. I wish him a very successive tenure at SCFC in the knowledge that if he is we all benefit.
Turning the clock back IMHO the mismanagement of this club by the family and their so called CEO Tony Scholes set the downward trend of the club by the employment of a former Leek Town Goalkeeper as Technical Director. Experience and competence, I’ll let others consider.
Whether they did or didn’t (I doubt we’ll ever know) I’d have thrown the kitchen sink at David Moyes to become DoF prior to, or immediately on the sacking of MH.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 9, 2022 21:14:00 GMT
I can’t so won’t even try to comment upon this gentleman’s appointment. I wish him a very successive tenure at SCFC in the knowledge that if he is we all benefit. Turning the clock back IMHO the mismanagement of this club by the family and their so called CEO Tony Scholes set the downward trend of the club by the employment of a former Leek Town Goalkeeper as Technical Director. Experience and competence, I’ll let others consider. Whether they did or didn’t (I doubt we’ll ever know) I’d have thrown the kitchen sink at David Moyes to become DoF prior to, or immediately on the sacking of MH. Moyes wants to be a manager and Cartwright’s impact on who we signed was minimal.
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Post by shakermaker on Nov 9, 2022 21:25:52 GMT
To be fair, he played a part in signing man-of-the moment James Maddison at Norwich They also signed Ben Godfrey from York, who didn't turn out three bad either. Both these players weren’t just down to Ricky. The Head of Recruitment at the time and his scouting team would have done the groundwork in identifying these players. However, for all the credit in unearthing these two gems, you have to also raise them a Ricky van Wolfswinkel!
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