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Post by moon on Oct 10, 2022 8:15:17 GMT
In front of both Campbell and Gayle and I'd argue ahead of Delap too. Ability wise they are all on a different level to Brown, if they find their form (which there are glimpses of in recent matches) then he's going to have to wait for his chance, when he is fit again though he still has a role to play as the games come thick and fast and it's good to have fresh options up front in the last 30 minutes of a game.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 10, 2022 8:20:45 GMT
Of all the players we have Brown looks the one most suited to play Neil's preferred high energy game so I expect him to get picked quite regularly when he recovers.
Campbell looks the one least suited to a Neil team but he has an eye for goal which will keep him in contention.
Delap has been disappointing for me and in particular he's not linked up well with his strike partners - he looks like he's playing for himself rather than the team at the moment but he's here to learn and hopefully will earn his place in the team.
In terms of nous Gayle has looked way ahead of any of our strikers and I've been really impressed by his teamwork and graft. He's also been incredibly unlucky not to register a goal.
Fosu has been decent in several positions and was outstanding in the forward role on Saturday. The forward most likely to be squeezed out of the match day squad at the moment is DWP who looks too lightweight for this league at the moment and could benefit from a loan.
If we continue with 3 at the front there is room 5 in the match day squad and based on contribution rather than reputation I'd go for Brown, Gayle and Fosu as starters with Delap and Campbell on the bench. However form and injuries could easily see a shuffling of the pack and it's great to have those options.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 10, 2022 8:21:08 GMT
Away from home playing Brown is a no brainer he gives us the energy and work rate we need particularly playing on the break against the better teams in the division........
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Post by GeneralFaye on Oct 10, 2022 8:41:30 GMT
Playing Tyrese Campbell wide is imperative, I'd argue he'd be one of the first names on my team sheet.
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Post by franklin on Oct 10, 2022 9:08:05 GMT
In front of both Campbell and Gayle and I'd argue ahead of Delap too. Ability wise they are all on a different level to Brown, if they find their form (which there are glimpses of in recent matches) then he's going to have to wait for his chance, when he is fit again though he still has a role to play as the games come thick and fast and it's good to have fresh options up front in the last 30 minutes of a game.
Have many have they scored that's the only stat I'm interested in. And I'm not sure Campbell is any better footballer than Brown his touch is atrocious.
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Post by femark on Oct 10, 2022 9:28:50 GMT
It's shaping up to be Gayle or Campbell / Brown or Delap I reckon but all 4 should be reasonable interchangeable.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2022 12:55:23 GMT
Ability wise they are all on a different level to Brown, if they find their form (which there are glimpses of in recent matches) then he's going to have to wait for his chance, when he is fit again though he still has a role to play as the games come thick and fast and it's good to have fresh options up front in the last 30 minutes of a game.
Have many have they scored that's the only stat I'm interested in. And I'm not sure Campbell is any better footballer than Brown his touch is atrocious. He isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2022 8:51:20 GMT
Agreed Campbell is one footed but his touch and finishing with his left foot is very good Obviously in a perfect world we don't want one footed players like Campbell ( left ) and brown ( right )
We want two footed players like Arnie and shaquiri .The problem is you are unlikely to be signing those sort of players when you are bottom half of the championship and shopping in the bargain basement.
Campbell's good foot is very good and realistically we are probably going to have to accept one good foot as the best we are going to get for now ( hope I am wrong!)
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Post by foxysgloves on Oct 11, 2022 8:58:26 GMT
Great to have options.
If a striker is scoring and playing well he plays. If he isn’t he gets benched.
Now we have the options to do that.
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Post by stokesupporter on Oct 11, 2022 9:50:17 GMT
Should be the first name on the team sheet in my opinion.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Oct 11, 2022 9:53:38 GMT
Agreed Campbell is one footed but his touch and finishing with his left foot is very good Obviously in a perfect world we don't want one footed players like Campbell ( left ) and brown ( right ) We want two footed players like Arnie and shaquiri .The problem is you are unlikely to be signing those sort of players when you are bottom half of the championship and shopping in the bargain basement. Campbell's good foot is very good and realistically we are probably going to have to accept one good foot as the best we are going to get for now ( hope I am wrong!) Campbell's right foot really isn't that bad.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 11, 2022 10:41:12 GMT
The beauty of having Campbell in a 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 with Clarke/Sterling behind him as opposed to Smith is that they are both athletes who can get up and down the pitch quickly which negates some of Campbell's lack of tracking back ability shall we say. He is freer to focus on what he's good at.............
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Post by misterj on Oct 11, 2022 18:32:16 GMT
What was good to see Saturday was a number of players were ‘up for it’ and giving 100%, it’s often been just Baker & Brown. I think Jacob will prob be a squad player/impact player from now on, like DWP, Neil has sure got selection headache when Tymon Souttar Powell etc all return! Question: in all honesty, would you rather have the skill (and petulance!) of Arnie & Shaq versus the graft & effort of Baker & Brown? I’d go for the latter, seven days a week!
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Post by kjpt140v on Oct 13, 2022 12:51:32 GMT
Brown should go straight back in the team. Nothing has changed, he's still our most consistent scorer.
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Post by cvillestokie on Oct 13, 2022 13:25:20 GMT
Brown’s all round game is far more effective than that of Campbell’s. Campbell has had one good spell for us and hasn’t come close to consistently reaching that level. You can’t just wait around for someone to finally find their form again.
For me, Brown gets fit, gets a few sub appearances and will force his way back into the starting 11, especially if Gayle still hasn’t scored by then.
I’d personally like to see Brown develop more in the air. When he does, he’ll be the first name on the team sheet.
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Post by Ron on Oct 13, 2022 14:15:39 GMT
He should start. Up front. Simple as that really. Top scorer last season and a handful
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Post by march4 on Oct 13, 2022 16:24:28 GMT
I think we should try Brown in the attacking midfielder role behind the strikers.
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Post by cvillestokie on Oct 13, 2022 16:28:03 GMT
I think we should try Brown in the attacking midfielder role behind the strikers. What part of his game would that suit? His link up play is one of his less good attributes.
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Post by iamstokie on Oct 13, 2022 16:38:07 GMT
I think we should try Brown in the attacking midfielder role behind the strikers. His passing is nowhere near good enough for that role
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Post by lordb on Oct 13, 2022 16:43:50 GMT
I think we should try Brown in the attacking midfielder role behind the strikers. What part of his game would that suit? His link up play is one of his less good attributes. Well, just that the link up play His intelligent running and excellent shooting from distance might play well too However he's not a creative visionary passer type so might not work Think would want him pushing defenders back but it's an interesting suggestion
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Post by kustokie on Oct 13, 2022 17:08:16 GMT
In front of both Campbell and Gayle and I'd argue ahead of Delap too. Ability wise they are all on a different level to Brown, if they find their form (which there are glimpses of in recent matches) then he's going to have to wait for his chance, when he is fit again though he still has a role to play as the games come thick and fast and it's good to have fresh options up front in the last 30 minutes of a game.
I beg to differ. Brown played primarily as a striker last season and was the top scorer. He’s been side-lined (no pun intended) to an unfamiliar position and his striker replacements have scored two between them (Campbell 1, Gayle 0 and Delap 1), with almost 1/3 of the season played. That’s not good enough.
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Post by walrus on Oct 13, 2022 17:12:34 GMT
I can’t believe people are suggesting he should used as a ten.
That would force him to play a role that exposes the weaker aspects of his game (close control, passing, awareness of teammates) while simultaneously not allowing him to do the things he’s best at (pressing defenders, running channels, getting on the end of balls into the box).
What’s next, DWP in goal?
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Post by werrington on Oct 13, 2022 17:14:05 GMT
He starts and the rest fit around him
It’s that simple
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 13, 2022 17:44:53 GMT
He starts and the rest fit around him It’s that simple Really? Good sub.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 13, 2022 17:45:47 GMT
I can’t believe people are suggesting he should used as a ten. That would force him to play a role that exposes the weaker aspects of his game (close control, passing, awareness of teammates) while simultaneously not allowing him to do the things he’s best at (pressing defenders, running channels, getting on the end of balls into the box). What’s next, DWP in goal? Can’t be any worse than what we have😉
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Post by loosestools on Oct 13, 2022 18:17:30 GMT
He should start every game and as a minimum wear out the opposition defence with his running ability and strength, if they are leggy or things just aint happening, bring on Gayle to add another dimension to the attacking line up. Only if he is either having a mare or being nullified should he be hooked. Have faith, I know he struggles to control a cannonball but - more like him for me please.
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Post by march4 on Oct 13, 2022 20:19:04 GMT
I think we should try Brown in the attacking midfielder role behind the strikers. His passing is nowhere near good enough for that role Who is bothered about passing? And creativity is a nonsense. I want to see him putting the opposition under pressure and causing mistakes. One of our greatest ever attacking midfielders was Mama and he wasn’t exactly the most creative of players. A strong, combative, hard running player is what we need.
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Post by gawa on Oct 14, 2022 10:19:41 GMT
This shouldn't even be a discussion. One of the first names on the team sheet end of.
Gayle - 13 games 0 goals Campbell - 43 games 5 goals (since last season) Liam Delap - 9 games 1 goal Jacob Brown - 62 games 16 goals (since last season)
Goals per game:
Gayle - 0 Delap - 0.11 Campbell - 0.12 Brown - 0.26
Brown scores more goals per game than the other 3 added together. It's a no brainer.
These games when Brown is out injured is the opportunity for other players to stake their claim for a starting place. And nobody has done that yet. It would be an injustice for him to not be starting.
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Post by gawa on Oct 14, 2022 10:27:59 GMT
If you want to include assists then those figures become Name | Games | Goals | Assists | Goals/Assists per game | Jacob Brown | 62 | 16 | 5 | 0.34 | Tyrese Campbell | 43 | 5 | 4 | 0.21 | Dwight Gayle | 13 | 0 | 2 | 0.15 | Liam Delap | 9 | 1 | 0 | 0.11 |
And he's the hardest working player out of all of them. Like I said, it's a no brainer in my opinion. Nobody has done enough to oust him and he's still our top goalscorer this season out of the strikers despite playing the least games up front out of all of them. He played 2 or 3 games as a defender under Alex Neil...
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Post by slother on Oct 15, 2022 15:03:38 GMT
My front 3 would be: Fosu-Campbell-Brown
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