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Post by a on Oct 2, 2022 16:39:12 GMT
He was given time. It’s far too early, it’s ludicrous to write him off after 5 games. I’ll be more critical after 3 seasons of the same shit. O’Neill did excellently initially. I’m certainly not writing AN off and he has my full support. I just can’t believe the same manager that was confidently telling us he has no problems in making early substitutions to change things (as he did as Sunderland manager at the Bet365 recently) didn’t make a substitution until after they went 2-0 up and even then it was like for like…….. Yea I know you’re not, and I know what you mean, he had nothing to lose from changing a failed system and it’s infuriating that he didn’t. He’d better either change things next game or get ready for some vocal disapproval!
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Post by BuzzB on Oct 2, 2022 19:47:53 GMT
We created a chance for Delap, he tried to be a clever bastard and scoop it in to the top corner instead of doing what Davis did…. It was a weird finish but I'd argue he created the chance all by himself. Nobody else was creating anything for the strikers. Harsh on Delap. Watch it back, by the time he was approaching the bye line they had men back, too many to try and thread a pass. So, he tried to be inventive, clever if you like, took most in the ground by surprise. If thats being a clever bastard then I hope the clever bastard tries it more often. He worked his nads off today, never shirked like some, he is the least of our problems right now.
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Post by dirtclod on Oct 2, 2022 19:50:34 GMT
Only Stoke could take a prolific Championship goalscorer and one of the most sought after young strikers in the country and turn them to shit. It is incredible really. Been called out on here previously for calling us a strikers graveyard. How much more evidence do we need?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 2, 2022 19:55:46 GMT
I’m waiting for the opportunity to moan when either Delap or Gayle actually miss a chance. The service to both is absolutely abysmal.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 2, 2022 20:05:31 GMT
I’m waiting for the opportunity to moan when either Delap or Gayle actually miss a chance. The service to both is absolutely abysmal. However a contributing factor is every time the ball goes up there delap loses it or runs into trouble head down or fouls his opponent.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 2, 2022 20:06:42 GMT
Our best forward line is this imo
Campbell Powell Fosu
Delap
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 2, 2022 20:49:46 GMT
I’m waiting for the opportunity to moan when either Delap or Gayle actually miss a chance. The service to both is absolutely abysmal. However a contributing factor is every time the ball goes up there delap loses it or runs into trouble head down or fouls his opponent. Mate I thought Delap had a good game. He puts himself about. He gets absolutely no service from midfield or out wide and the only chances/half chances he gets are created by himself or Gayle when the ball is lumped up to them. That's why he puts his head down and runs, what's the point of passing to any of the other useless tossers. He was battered from the first minute by their centre halves and the dick in black only penalised one in the 2nd minute of injury time. He was completely wiped out in front of the Sentinel stand totally off the ball right under the nose of the tosser with the flag who did nothing so it was hardly surprising he got booked for losing his rag.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Oct 2, 2022 21:37:13 GMT
Prolific? How many goals has he scored in the championship since we got relegated? He scored 23 goals in each of the last 2 seasons in which he played in the Championship. I'd call that prolific. Not sure why you mention "since we got relegated". He didn't play for us. So we have signed a pensioner who did well 4 seasons ago? Since then he had scored 5 goals in over 60 appearances and hasn't scored since December 2020.....to include 10 games with us. I know we have pissed money away but 20k a week for 2 years on him. Jesus Hates Christ.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Oct 2, 2022 21:38:17 GMT
I’m waiting for the opportunity to moan when either Delap or Gayle actually miss a chance. The service to both is absolutely abysmal. Delap missed one today. Gayle has missed several.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Oct 2, 2022 21:41:31 GMT
What I don’t understand is why we’re sticking with the O’Neill blueprint that clearly wasn’t working? He’s supposedly a manager who makes an impact at new clubs yet he’s clinging onto the issues he inherited, continuing to utilise them, and is somehow making them worse. I don’t get it. He’s been an absolute shower of shit so far and no one could tell me otherwise. If he went tomorrow I wouldn’t bat an eyelid.
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Post by independent on Oct 2, 2022 21:57:25 GMT
Only if you don't count the 2 Brown has scored. Tyrese has 1 as has wright philips.
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Post by Gods on Oct 2, 2022 22:04:31 GMT
"Strike force"
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Post by musik on Oct 2, 2022 22:11:00 GMT
The most worrying thing for me watching my first Stoke game on big screen tv so far this season - was the lack of technique and the slow movement.
Compared with Watford we played in slow motion. It looked dangerous each time they moved into our half.
We didn't create one single goal chance.
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Post by gawa on Oct 2, 2022 22:13:58 GMT
We're averaging 1 shot on target per hour over the last 2 games. So while neither are doing great (although I think Gayle has been Unlucky), the service into them in the last 2 games has been lacking too.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Oct 3, 2022 9:19:33 GMT
I’m waiting for the opportunity to moan when either Delap or Gayle actually miss a chance. The service to both is absolutely abysmal. Delap missed one today. Gayle has missed several. I must have been asleep on all occasions
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 3, 2022 9:42:35 GMT
We don't create anything for them, Delap is either back to goal or having to do it all on his own, nothing will change until the set up allows for some creativity.
Lumping it to Gayle's head all game didn't help either.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 3, 2022 9:43:40 GMT
Just a month ago this was a promotion capable squad and Alex Neil came in saying he expects to take us out of the division this season or next with the squad available. I didn't realise he meant into League One. Aside from beating a Hull side which last lost 5 in a row. We've been shocking under Alex Neil. Wrong appointment. You’ve written Neil off after 5 games? 😮 gawa wrote him off before he stepped through the front door.
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Post by miggo on Oct 3, 2022 10:04:52 GMT
I got laughed at on here for suggesting Gayle might not be the player he once was after barely kicking a ball in 5 years.
Ty - Average Delap - worldie of a player (vs u19), unproven. Gayle - Past it Brown - limited but the best we have Tezgel - unproven needs a loan.
Lets be honest, our entire squad is not very good.
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Post by femark on Oct 3, 2022 10:05:01 GMT
I don’t get this best strike force on paper thing. Gayle and Delap are both punts, one is unproven the other is getting on
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Oct 3, 2022 18:49:20 GMT
It was a weird finish but I'd argue he created the chance all by himself. Nobody else was creating anything for the strikers. Harsh on Delap. Watch it back, by the time he was approaching the bye line they had men back, too many to try and thread a pass. So, he tried to be inventive, clever if you like, took most in the ground by surprise. If thats being a clever bastard then I hope the clever bastard tries it more often. He worked his nads off today, never shirked like some, he is the least of our problems right now. I like him. I just thought it was weird as I expected him to put his foot through it that close to goal. Especially as he's been starved of scoring chances.
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Oct 3, 2022 18:52:22 GMT
He scored 23 goals in each of the last 2 seasons in which he played in the Championship. I'd call that prolific. Not sure why you mention "since we got relegated". He didn't play for us. So we have signed a pensioner who did well 4 seasons ago? Since then he had scored 5 goals in over 60 appearances and hasn't scored since December 2020.....to include 10 games with us. I know we have pissed money away but 20k a week for 2 years on him. Jesus Hates Christ. If 32 (nearly 33) is a pensioner then there are a hell of a lot of them around. 5 is 60 is a bullshit stat as was almost always a substitute. I'd be interested to know his goals per minute ratio. And that is in the Premier League too.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Oct 4, 2022 20:44:53 GMT
So we have signed a pensioner who did well 4 seasons ago? Since then he had scored 5 goals in over 60 appearances and hasn't scored since December 2020.....to include 10 games with us. I know we have pissed money away but 20k a week for 2 years on him. Jesus Hates Christ. If 32 (nearly 33) is a pensioner then there are a hell of a lot of them around. 5 is 60 is a bullshit stat as was almost always a substitute. I'd be interested to know his goals per minute ratio. And that is in the Premier League too. 0 in 10 in the Championship isn't a bullshit stay though is it?
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Post by stokefanone on Oct 4, 2022 21:31:31 GMT
I went to watch the Blackpool.match and this was my second game. A good performance against Blackpool, we looked strong organised and up for it. Sunday I was dumbfounded at the inept, lacklustre performance. Players not willing to work for one another especially delap who seems to be going through the motions here at Stoke. I was disgusted with a bunch of players who could not be arsed. The beef burger before the match was the highlight of the day. If this manager does not instill some passion in his players very soon, I fear for us this season
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 4, 2022 22:16:20 GMT
I went to watch the Blackpool.match and this was my second game. A good performance against Blackpool, we looked strong organised and up for it. Sunday I was dumbfounded at the inept, lacklustre performance. Players not willing to work for one another especially delap who seems to be going through the motions here at Stoke. I was disgusted with a bunch of players who could not be arsed. The beef burger before the match was the highlight of the day. If this manager does not instill some passion in his players very soon, I fear for us this season A mass sulk-off due to having to actually put 90 minutes of effort in? Hopefully the manager can get them to realise they're professional sportsmen!
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Oct 5, 2022 12:12:08 GMT
If 32 (nearly 33) is a pensioner then there are a hell of a lot of them around. 5 is 60 is a bullshit stat as was almost always a substitute. I'd be interested to know his goals per minute ratio. And that is in the Premier League too. 0 in 10 in the Championship isn't a bullshit stay though is it? No, which goes towards my original point. Not sure what is so confusing.
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Post by Los Alfareros on Oct 5, 2022 12:30:45 GMT
I got laughed at on here for suggesting Gayle might not be the player he once was after barely kicking a ball in 5 years. Ty - Average Delap - worldie of a player (vs u19), unproven. Gayle - Past it Brown - limited but the best we have Tezgel - unproven needs a loan. Lets be honest, our entire squad is not very good. Alarmingly accurate.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Oct 5, 2022 12:37:05 GMT
0 in 10 in the Championship isn't a bullshit stay though is it? No, which goes towards my original point. Not sure what is so confusing. Your original point is he is prolific in this division is it not?
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Post by onionman on Oct 5, 2022 12:44:34 GMT
I can see Jacob Brown becoming quite popular if Delap and Gayle continue their current form while he's out injured.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2022 13:03:26 GMT
You’ve written Neil off after 5 games? 😮 gawa wrote him off before he stepped through the front door. So did I but more a personal dislike of the bloke . Obviously don't want him to mess things up I would consider not playing Delap tonight if contractually obliged that we can do that.
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Oct 5, 2022 20:04:05 GMT
No, which goes towards my original point. Not sure what is so confusing. Your original point is he is prolific in this division is it not? Yes and the facts prove it. You've chosen the ten game spell in which he hasn't been prolific. That came since being at Stoke which is my original point exactly.
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