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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 12:19:29 GMT
To be determined by Alex Neil's tenure of course. I'm increasingly glad we sacked him before things turned truly sour, I feel he leaves not far off of someone like Hughes in my eyes.
The bloke truly saved the club from League One, when he came in we had what... two wins in 15 and four points from safety. A squad at it's absolute lowest ebb, to say the atmosphere was toxic doesn't begin to do it justice.
Michael came in, saved us, signed Tyrese up to a new contract at a time he had Premier League interest and he has introduced young players like Souttar, Tymon and Taylor into the fold.
The squad has a great togetherness, the average age is much improved and most of all there's a sense that the dressing room has a lot of good relationships and positive characters in it.
I think the legacy of MON might be that he exorcised our demons and created a good foundation for someone else (Alex Neil hopefully) to come in and succeed.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 28, 2022 12:25:49 GMT
I'm hopeful that if O'Neill has a legacy, it's that the young players he has blooded continue to give opportunities and are able to grasp them. I'm not sure youth is normally Neil's MO, but their prospects can't be harmed by now being semi-established in the first team squad.
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 28, 2022 12:35:13 GMT
To be determined by Alex Neil's tenure of course. I'm increasingly glad we sacked him before things turned truly sour, I feel he leaves not far off of someone like Hughes in my eyes. The bloke truly saved the club from League One, when he came in we had what... two wins in 15 and four points from safety. A squad at it's absolute lowest ebb, to say the atmosphere was toxic doesn't begin to do it justice. Michael came in, saved us, signed Tyrese up to a new contract at a time he had Premier League interest and he has introduced young players like Souttar, Tymon and Taylor into the fold. The squad has a great togetherness, the average age is much improved and most of all there's a sense that the dressing room has a lot of good relationships and positive characters in it. I think the legacy of MON might be that he exorcised our demons and created a good foundation for someone else (Alex Neil hopefully) to come in and succeed. Well not for me is his legacy like Hughes I like mon as a person but as a manager fraud springs to mind |
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 28, 2022 12:45:13 GMT
He leaves us in a good place.
A few holes in the squad, most notably in goal.
But lots of young players in. A decent dressing room seemingly.
It’s a top half of the table squad but maybe falls short of play off material.
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Post by retrostoke on Aug 28, 2022 12:54:34 GMT
He leaves us in a good place. A few holes in the squad, most notably in goal. But lots of young players in. A decent dressing room seemingly. It’s a top half of the table squad but maybe falls short of play off material. Top 4 squad for me with everyone fit. Ridiculous attacking options for this level |
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 28, 2022 12:56:14 GMT
He leaves us in a good place. A few holes in the squad, most notably in goal. But lots of young players in. A decent dressing room seemingly. It’s a top half of the table squad but maybe falls short of play off material. Top 4 squad for me with everyone fit. Ridiculous attacking options for this level Maybe. I think we’re still a bit soft centred. Hopefully Neil sorts that. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 12:57:57 GMT
To be determined by Alex Neil's tenure of course. I'm increasingly glad we sacked him before things turned truly sour, I feel he leaves not far off of someone like Hughes in my eyes. The bloke truly saved the club from League One, when he came in we had what... two wins in 15 and four points from safety. A squad at it's absolute lowest ebb, to say the atmosphere was toxic doesn't begin to do it justice. Michael came in, saved us, signed Tyrese up to a new contract at a time he had Premier League interest and he has introduced young players like Souttar, Tymon and Taylor into the fold. The squad has a great togetherness, the average age is much improved and most of all there's a sense that the dressing room has a lot of good relationships and positive characters in it. I think the legacy of MON might be that he exorcised our demons and created a good foundation for someone else (Alex Neil hopefully) to come in and succeed. Well not for me is his legacy like Hughes I like mon as a person but as a manager fraud springs to mind Fraud as in left us a good squad, saved us from the mess we were in when took over and took his nation to the first ever Euros. Ok |
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Post by anchorman on Aug 28, 2022 13:01:42 GMT
My over riding feeling of MON’s legacy is that in saving us from relegation to League One I will be forever grateful to him. He is obviously a decent man, a man of integrity who did a fantastic job in restructuring the club, reshaping the squad & providing a real link between the academy & senior squad as well as a clear pathway for young players to the first team. He’s done a lot of the dirty work, the spade work & has laid solid foundations to build something very solid from. Unfortunately, he won’t be the one who sees the whole rebuild home. His job and top priority was to get results and he hasn’t managed that. 35 points from 33 games tells it’s own story. Nowhere near good enough and the decision to sack him was 100%!correct. I wish him and Dean Holden all the very best and thank them wholeheartedly for their efforts. It wasn’t good enough and now we’re about to enter a new era under Alex Neil and one that I believe will see us challenging for promotion.
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Post by stokeranger on Aug 28, 2022 13:07:44 GMT
My over riding feeling of MON’s legacy is that in saving us from relegation to League One I will be forever grateful to him. He is obviously a decent man, a man of integrity who did a fantastic job in restructuring the club, reshaping the squad & providing a real link between the academy & senior squad as well as a clear pathway for young players to the first team. He’s done a lot of the dirty work, the spade work & has laid solid foundations to build something very solid from. Unfortunately, he won’t be the one who sees the whole rebuild home. His job and top priority was to get results and he hasn’t managed that. 35 points from 33 games tells it’s own story. Nowhere near good enough and the decision to sack him was 100%!correct. I wish him and Dean Holden all the very best and thank them wholeheartedly for their efforts. It wasn’t good enough and now we’re about to enter a new era under Alex Neil and one that I believe will see us challenging for promotion. Let’s forget about him now, he will have a new job soon away at Dundee United… |
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 28, 2022 13:11:04 GMT
My over riding feeling of MON’s legacy is that in saving us from relegation to League One I will be forever grateful to him. He is obviously a decent man, a man of integrity who did a fantastic job in restructuring the club, reshaping the squad & providing a real link between the academy & senior squad as well as a clear pathway for young players to the first team. He’s done a lot of the dirty work, the spade work & has laid solid foundations to build something very solid from. Unfortunately, he won’t be the one who sees the whole rebuild home. His job and top priority was to get results and he hasn’t managed that. 35 points from 33 games tells it’s own story. Nowhere near good enough and the decision to sack him was 100%!correct. I wish him and Dean Holden all the very best and thank them wholeheartedly for their efforts. It wasn’t good enough and now we’re about to enter a new era under Alex Neil and one that I believe will see us challenging for promotion. My feelings exactly. We go again. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 28, 2022 13:21:43 GMT
Well not for me is his legacy like Hughes I like mon as a person but as a manager fraud springs to mind Fraud as in left us a good squad, saved us from the mess we were in when took over as took his nation to the first ever Euros. Ok Not talking about his nation Left us with some ok signings which didn’t suit any formation, Played horrendous football, played 5 at the back at home against the likes of Blackpool. Didn’t have a clue of when to make subs or change a formation when not working Left us with a dismantled squad Yes fraud |
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 28, 2022 13:27:27 GMT
To be determined by Alex Neil's tenure of course. I'm increasingly glad we sacked him before things turned truly sour, I feel he leaves not far off of someone like Hughes in my eyes. The bloke truly saved the club from League One, when he came in we had what... two wins in 15 and four points from safety. A squad at it's absolute lowest ebb, to say the atmosphere was toxic doesn't begin to do it justice. Michael came in, saved us, signed Tyrese up to a new contract at a time he had Premier League interest and he has introduced young players like Souttar, Tymon and Taylor into the fold. The squad has a great togetherness, the average age is much improved and most of all there's a sense that the dressing room has a lot of good relationships and positive characters in it. I think the legacy of MON might be that he exorcised our demons and created a good foundation for someone else (Alex Neil hopefully) to come in and succeed. Well not for me is his legacy like Hughes I like mon as a person but as a manager fraud springs to mind Cant agree A fraud would not have saved us in the season he did and his win percentage 38.5% is not the percentage of a fraud either better than Neil at Preston for example. It's too many games to be down to any kind of luck. I think he just was unable to organise things off the pitch and on it. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 28, 2022 13:31:40 GMT
Top 4 squad for me with everyone fit. Ridiculous attacking options for this level Maybe. I think we’re still a bit soft centred. Hopefully Neil sorts that. O'Neils legacy. You don't need physicality in midfield in the championship. I don't know what he was drinking but it must have made your eyes swivel. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 28, 2022 13:53:25 GMT
Well not for me is his legacy like Hughes I like mon as a person but as a manager fraud springs to mind Cant agree A fraud would not have saved us in the season he did and his win percentage 38.5% is not the percentage of a fraud either better than Neil at Preston for example. It's too many games to be down to any kind of luck. I think he just was unable to organise things off the pitch and on it. Fraud maybe too strong a word but he wasn’t a good manager. Yes he did well saving us in his first season but since Campbells injury his brain must have gone to mush as he went ultra negative for me. Like I say I liked him as a person but not as a manager |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 28, 2022 14:00:15 GMT
It will be in bringing through players like Souttar and Campbell, bringing in assets like Brown, Baker and potentially Laurent, and in developing Tymon from punchline to one of the better wing backs in the league.
Hopefully Neil can now arrange those players into something workable. Yesterday alone showed how far MON had lost his way. All Holden needed to do was make the sensible calls - dropping Bursik, playing a back four that suited the defenders at his disposal - to keep a clean sheet.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 28, 2022 18:10:10 GMT
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Aug 28, 2022 18:17:01 GMT
Saved us from turmoil & torture of lower leagues but ultimately a stubbornness of a new formation that must head to be adhered to at all costs with square pegs in round holes will never be far away from an estimation
Well wishes for your future endeavours MON....Caerwrangon
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Aug 28, 2022 18:18:08 GMT
Unfulfilled promise in short.
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 28, 2022 19:48:07 GMT
There is no doubt from me that O'Neil left the club in a much better position than he found it. He got rid of the high earners, brought through the young existing talent, made us more stable and less toxic
Ultimately though the right decision was made as we were definitely heading backwards agate 3 years of unspectacular stability
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Post by theonlooker on Aug 28, 2022 19:58:38 GMT
The people that do the unglamorous spade work never get the full credit they deserve and O'Neill did a hell of a lot of it, where other managers either failed or refused to do it.
At the end of the day though the decision has been made to sack him and we must move on. Alex Neil needs our full support from Wednesday, and hopefully the long awaited return to the top half of the table and beyond is just around the corner.
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Post by dirtclod on Aug 28, 2022 20:04:50 GMT
Yep, we move on.
His "legacy's" definition doesn't mean much - today.
Besides, that "legacy" will be rewritten on the Oatcake 15 or 16 times to suit future agendas anyway !
Am I right?
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Post by awrypotter on Aug 28, 2022 20:37:55 GMT
He saved us from near certain relegation and has completely rebuilt the squad which was no easy feat bearing in mind what he inherited i.e. all the overpaid, overpriced players who no other club wanted and had a terrible attitude. Plus he has had his hands tied by the FFP restrictions again because of the mess he inherited. I feel that we now have a very good young squad which will be even better when players such as Souttar, Powell and Tymon return from injury. Admittedly there are still one or two gaps in certain positions including goalkeeper.
Having achieved all that though his tactics and formation were questionable and generated a feeing of negativity which other teams took advantage of. So in the end it was right for him to go but I personally am very grateful for what he achieved for our club.
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 28, 2022 20:43:59 GMT
He'll get a round of applause when/if he returns in an opposition dugout, which not many former managers would. (TP always did, and I reckon Hughes would as well.)
Certainly leaves us in a better position than which he found us, but lacked the tactical nous to get us anywhere. His legacy is providing a foundation on which a better manager can build.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 28, 2022 20:45:56 GMT
The people that do the unglamorous spade work never get the full credit they deserve and O'Neill did a hell of a lot of it, where other managers either failed or refused to do it.
At the end of the day though the decision has been made to sack him and we must move on. Alex Neil needs our full support from Wednesday, and hopefully the long awaited return to the top half of the table and beyond is just around the corner.
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Post by bloodtypered on Aug 28, 2022 20:48:37 GMT
when he returns with another club, he'll get around of applause and a bottle whiskey
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 28, 2022 20:57:12 GMT
He saved us from near certain relegation and has completely rebuilt the squad which was no easy feat bearing in mind what he inherited i.e. all the overpaid, overpriced players who no other club wanted and had a terrible attitude. Plus he has had his hands tied by the FFP restrictions again because of the mess he inherited. I feel that we now have a very good young squad which will be even better when players such as Souttar, Powell and Tymon return from injury. Admittedly there are still one or two gaps in certain positions including goalkeeper. Having achieved all that though his tactics and formation were questionable and generated a feeing of negativity which other teams took advantage of. So in the end it was right for him to go but I personally am very grateful for what he achieved for our club. If only we could have kept that bloke who first rocked up. It was no surprise to me that he reverted to type, that bloke in his first half season was the surprise package. Good work getting the squad numbers and age under control. I think he had some very strange ideas of what championship football is about and what you can get away with at this level. On the football side I’m not sure whether he was trying to get Stoke to the top of the championship or auditioning for a job at a higher level quite badly. Seemed to be the polar opposite of what we’ve gone for in terms of intensity, filth, aggression, cynicism. Possibly I’d prefer something in the middle but I’d sure as hell have too much of those things than not enough. |
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Post by Goonie on Aug 28, 2022 21:22:19 GMT
MON was a booster rocket pulling us away from the gravitational force of league 1
I'm hoping Neil is a stage 2 booster to get us in the playoffs or even promotion
Every manager is there to get you to a level up. Only exceptional ones are capable of constantly building
Hopefully Neil hits that potential with us
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Post by proudstokie on Aug 28, 2022 21:37:37 GMT
To be determined by Alex Neil's tenure of course. I'm increasingly glad we sacked him before things turned truly sour, I feel he leaves not far off of someone like Hughes in my eyes. The bloke truly saved the club from League One, when he came in we had what... two wins in 15 and four points from safety. A squad at it's absolute lowest ebb, to say the atmosphere was toxic doesn't begin to do it justice. Michael came in, saved us, signed Tyrese up to a new contract at a time he had Premier League interest and he has introduced young players like Souttar, Tymon and Taylor into the fold. The squad has a great togetherness, the average age is much improved and most of all there's a sense that the dressing room has a lot of good relationships and positive characters in it. I think the legacy of MON might be that he exorcised our demons and created a good foundation for someone else (Alex Neil hopefully) to come in and succeed. Well not for me is his legacy like Hughes I like mon as a person but as a manager fraud springs to mind I think that is a ridiculous thing to say, all managers have different qualities, it might be tactics, motivation, squad building. If a manager has all the desired qualities they generally manage the top teams. O’Neill obviously had the philosophy to build a squad and manage a budget, unfortunately his tactical ability let him down! Hopefully Neil can build on what has been built, in three years time we’ll probably be lamenting his signings, if he was that good he’d be managing Everton or Aston Villa already! |
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Post by callas12 on Aug 28, 2022 22:13:15 GMT
To be determined by Alex Neil's tenure of course. I'm increasingly glad we sacked him before things turned truly sour, I feel he leaves not far off of someone like Hughes in my eyes. The bloke truly saved the club from League One, when he came in we had what... two wins in 15 and four points from safety. A squad at it's absolute lowest ebb, to say the atmosphere was toxic doesn't begin to do it justice. Michael came in, saved us, signed Tyrese up to a new contract at a time he had Premier League interest and he has introduced young players like Souttar, Tymon and Taylor into the fold. The squad has a great togetherness, the average age is much improved and most of all there's a sense that the dressing room has a lot of good relationships and positive characters in it. I think the legacy of MON might be that he exorcised our demons and created a good foundation for someone else (Alex Neil hopefully) to come in and succeed. Which kind of ties in with what Dean Holden was intimating yesterday aswell |
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Post by sheds1862 on Aug 28, 2022 22:31:54 GMT
I've never bought into the ' he saved us from certain relegation '
4 points off safety with 31 games left is hardly houdini stuff whatever shit show he was left.
Undoubtedly he did well but wasn't a very high bar was it
My view of his tenure is he still thought he was hosting Spain at Windsor Park rather than Reading or Rotherham. A very safe manager and I'm glad he's gone.
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