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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 15, 2022 19:22:02 GMT
This really is a gorgeous development.
The right is well and truly on the rise across Europe and will be victorious. Patriotism, national interests, economical prosperity, low tax, the abolition of state intervention, the ability to define a woman and support for traditional family values - love to see it. Up the Swedish right.
The Guardian - the paper for the white, illiberal and privileged - is utterly devastated. Rather enjoying reading their hysterical meltdown over Swedish developments. πΈπͺβ€οΈ
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 15, 2022 20:08:52 GMT
Well in the Swedes, great country, great people
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Post by musik on Sept 15, 2022 21:39:13 GMT
The leader of the C party has resigned. I wish her the best, but it wasn't a minute too late (as the expression is in Sweden). It's not totally her fault, the youth part of that political party have destroyed and affected the mother party. It used to be a rather reasonable political party, called the Peasants Union, for the countryside and the small business owners, now it's basically a nuthouse with many weird ideas, some of them concerning sexuality for some reason. They also want to open the border and never close it, waving everyone in.
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I'm interested in what ministers they'll pick to rule the country. Up here we never know in advance and it can take weeks.
What I hope for the most with this change of government is real law and order. And not spending 1.2 million (!) SEK on each perpretator per year for having them in prison, which is utterly ridiculous. They shouldn't cost anything at all, instead they should start to pay off in prison from day one. Put the victim first, and not only first, they're the only part that matters to me. I want Forsell as Minister of Justice, Conservative party M.
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Post by deeside2 on Sept 16, 2022 9:16:24 GMT
The leader of the C party has resigned. I wish her the best, but it wasn't a minute to late (as the expression is in Sweden). It's not totally her fault, the youth part of that political party have destroyed and affected the mother party. It used to be a rather reasonable political party, called the Peasants Union, for the countryside and the small business owners, now it's basically a nuthouse with many weird ideas, some of them concerning sexuality for some reason. They also want to open the border and never close it, waving everyone in. *** I'm interested in what ministers they'll pick to rule the country. Up here we never know in advance and it can take weeks. What I hope for the most with this change of government is real law and order. And not spending 1.2 million (!) SEK on each perpretator per year for having them in prison, which is utterly ridiculous. They shouldn't cost anything at all, instead they should start to pay off in prison from day one. Put the victim first, and not only first, they're the only part that matters to me. I want Forsell as Minister of Justice, Conservative party M. What part of Sweden do you live in musik ?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 16, 2022 10:01:09 GMT
This really is a gorgeous development. The right is well and truly on the rise across Europe and will be victorious. Patriotism, national interests, economical prosperity, low tax, the abolition of state intervention, the ability to define a woman and support for traditional family values - love to see it. Up the Swedish right. The Guardian - the paper for the white, illiberal and privileged - is utterly devastated. Rather enjoying reading their hysterical meltdown over Swedish developments. πΈπͺβ€οΈ What are "traditional family values" just out of interest?
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Post by musik on Sept 18, 2022 12:09:39 GMT
This really is a gorgeous development. The right is well and truly on the rise across Europe and will be victorious. Patriotism, national interests, economical prosperity, low tax, the abolition of state intervention, the ability to define a woman and support for traditional family values - love to see it. Up the Swedish right. The Guardian - the paper for the white, illiberal and privileged - is utterly devastated. Rather enjoying reading their hysterical meltdown over Swedish developments. πΈπͺβ€οΈ What are "traditional family values" just out of interest? I suppose it means not untraditional family values. It will be interesting for the swedes to see what ministers they'll pick. Within every one of these four political parties we find a wide range of variation in opinions. It would surprise everyone if any politician from SD (Sweden Democrats) will be picked to represent the government - including themselves actually, even though they got 21% of all votes and became the second largest party. Most expected solution: M (The Conservatives) and KD (The Christ Democrats) who have only 25% together rule the country, with SD (Sweden Democrats) and L (The Liberals) as support groups. However, L have already declared they don't want SD to have influence. A bit odd perhaps, since L only got 4% of all votes and thereby almost were totally reased when it comes to any representation in the building. S (Social Democrats) made a success with more than 30% but are not in the government. A bit weird. Some people hope for a stronger(?) S + M constellation. It can take days, weeks or even months to decide.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 18, 2022 13:08:46 GMT
What are "traditional family values" just out of interest? I suppose it means not untraditional family values. It will be interesting for the swedes to see what ministers they'll pick. Within every one of these four political parties we find a wide range of variation in opinions. It would surprise everyone if any politician from SD (Sweden Democrats) will be picked to represent the government - including themselves actually, even though they got 21% of all votes and became the second largest party. Most expected solution: M (The Conservatives) and KD (The Christ Democrats) who have only 25% together rule the country, with SD (Sweden Democrats) and L (The Liberals) as support groups. However, L have already declared they don't want SD to have influence. A bit odd perhaps, since L only got 4% of all votes and thereby almost were totally reased when it comes to any representation in the building. S (Social Democrats) made a success with more than 30% but are not in the government. A bit weird. Some people hope for a stronger(?) S + M constellation. It can take days, weeks or even months to decide. Days weeks months The wonders of PR
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Post by musik on Sept 18, 2022 14:19:56 GMT
I suppose it means not untraditional family values. It will be interesting for the swedes to see what ministers they'll pick. Within every one of these four political parties we find a wide range of variation in opinions. It would surprise everyone if any politician from SD (Sweden Democrats) will be picked to represent the government - including themselves actually, even though they got 21% of all votes and became the second largest party. Most expected solution: M (The Conservatives) and KD (The Christ Democrats) who have only 25% together rule the country, with SD (Sweden Democrats) and L (The Liberals) as support groups. However, L have already declared they don't want SD to have influence. A bit odd perhaps, since L only got 4% of all votes and thereby almost were totally reased when it comes to any representation in the building. S (Social Democrats) made a success with more than 30% but are not in the government. A bit weird. Some people hope for a stronger(?) S + M constellation. It can take days, weeks or even months to decide. Days weeks months The wonders of PR Yepp. I remember last time. It was a farce then!
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Post by musik on Sept 18, 2022 14:53:51 GMT
The leader of the C party has resigned. I wish her the best, but it wasn't a minute to late (as the expression is in Sweden). It's not totally her fault, the youth part of that political party have destroyed and affected the mother party. It used to be a rather reasonable political party, called the Peasants Union, for the countryside and the small business owners, now it's basically a nuthouse with many weird ideas, some of them concerning sexuality for some reason. They also want to open the border and never close it, waving everyone in. *** I'm interested in what ministers they'll pick to rule the country. Up here we never know in advance and it can take weeks. What I hope for the most with this change of government is real law and order. And not spending 1.2 million (!) SEK on each perpretator per year for having them in prison, which is utterly ridiculous. They shouldn't cost anything at all, instead they should start to pay off in prison from day one. Put the victim first, and not only first, they're the only part that matters to me. I want Forsell as Minister of Justice, Conservative party M. What part of Sweden do you live in musik ? Southern parts.
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 18, 2022 15:04:48 GMT
I suppose it means not untraditional family values. It will be interesting for the swedes to see what ministers they'll pick. Within every one of these four political parties we find a wide range of variation in opinions. It would surprise everyone if any politician from SD (Sweden Democrats) will be picked to represent the government - including themselves actually, even though they got 21% of all votes and became the second largest party. Most expected solution: M (The Conservatives) and KD (The Christ Democrats) who have only 25% together rule the country, with SD (Sweden Democrats) and L (The Liberals) as support groups. However, L have already declared they don't want SD to have influence. A bit odd perhaps, since L only got 4% of all votes and thereby almost were totally reased when it comes to any representation in the building. S (Social Democrats) made a success with more than 30% but are not in the government. A bit weird. Some people hope for a stronger(?) S + M constellation. It can take days, weeks or even months to decide. Days weeks months The wonders of PR PR is much better than FPTP. If 25% of the electorate vote for you, why should that mean you can form a majority government? Itβs completely wrong here.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 18, 2022 15:22:27 GMT
Days weeks months The wonders of PR PR is much better than FPTP. If 25% of the electorate vote for you, why should that mean you can form a majority government? Itβs completely wrong here. I thought Blair in his latter days got higher than 25%
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 18, 2022 15:29:36 GMT
PR is much better than FPTP. If 25% of the electorate vote for you, why should that mean you can form a majority government? Itβs completely wrong here. I thought Blair in his latter days got higher than 25% He did. I think Cameron got 23% of the electorate voting for him, and he got a majority. FPTP means we will only ever have labour or tory PMs forever. Not very democratic or representative when the general consensus has been that tories and labour are pretty useless. It would be great to have a system that allowed for something else, or that forced tories and labour to change for the good.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 18, 2022 15:45:47 GMT
I thought Blair in his latter days got higher than 25% He did. I think Cameron got 23% of the electorate voting for him, and he got a majority. FPTP means we will only ever have labour or tory PMs forever. Not very democratic or representative when the general consensus has been that tories and labour are pretty useless. It would be great to have a system that allowed for something else, or that forced tories and labour to change for the good. He achieved 36.8 % of the people who could be bothered to get off there arses and actually vote Itβs disingenuous at best to use the eligible voters for a percentage I would suggest that if you were a ardent labour or conservative voter your support for PR would be minimal My liking for the first past the post wether I like the result or not it usually brings a instant stable government and you have a local accountable mp Not the days and days of horse trading where manifestoβs are shredded With jobs for the boyβs climbing the greasy lick spittle pole to get higher on a list And the government lasts as long as the next toys out of the pram moment
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Post by musik on Sept 18, 2022 16:12:22 GMT
Latest πΈπͺ
The small political parties outside of the big 8 got an 50% increase in the number of votes compared to 2018. Late news: SVT made a correction. If was no increase, it was the same amount as in 2018.
However, most success had the islamistic Nyans. They achieved 27000 votes totally and 2.1% of the votes in Malmoe.
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Post by oggyoggy on Sept 18, 2022 19:10:47 GMT
He did. I think Cameron got 23% of the electorate voting for him, and he got a majority. FPTP means we will only ever have labour or tory PMs forever. Not very democratic or representative when the general consensus has been that tories and labour are pretty useless. It would be great to have a system that allowed for something else, or that forced tories and labour to change for the good. He achieved 36.8 % of the people who could be bothered to get off there arses and actually vote Itβs disingenuous at best to use the eligible voters for a percentage I would suggest that if you were a ardent labour or conservative voter your support for PR would be minimal My liking for the first past the post wether I like the result or not it usually brings a instant stable government and you have a local accountable mp Not the days and days of horse trading where manifestoβs are shredded With jobs for the boyβs climbing the greasy lick spittle pole to get higher on a list And the government lasts as long as the next toys out of the pram moment 36.8% and yet that gave him a majority. We have had incredibly unstable government over recent years with FPTP. By this: β Not the days and days of horse trading where manifestoβs are shredded With jobs for the boyβs climbing the greasy lick spittle pole to get higher on a listβ are you referring to the last 6 years?
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Post by musik on Sept 18, 2022 19:26:55 GMT
Late TV:
The analysis continues. They ask themselves: 1) Why have the citizens in our largest cities Stockholm, Gothenburg, voted Left? 2) Why have the citizens in smaller cities and small places on the countryside voted Right, especially on SD (the Sweden Democrats)?
1) The Social Democrats have imported voters from abroad. As a gratitude these voters vote on the ones who have allowed them to get in of course. Most of them live in the suburban to our large cities. 2) These small places meet foreigners for the first time and their lives change from now on. People in general tend not to like changes, especially if they include what they classify as disadvantages.
It's quite easy to understand.
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Post by elystokie on Sept 18, 2022 20:46:02 GMT
He achieved 36.8 % of the people who could be bothered to get off there arses and actually vote Itβs disingenuous at best to use the eligible voters for a percentage I would suggest that if you were a ardent labour or conservative voter your support for PR would be minimal My liking for the first past the post wether I like the result or not it usually brings a instant stable government and you have a local accountable mp Not the days and days of horse trading where manifestoβs are shredded With jobs for the boyβs climbing the greasy lick spittle pole to get higher on a list And the government lasts as long as the next toys out of the pram moment 36.8% and yet that gave him a majority. We have had incredibly unstable government over recent years with FPTP. By this: β Not the days and days of horse trading where manifestoβs are shredded With jobs for the boyβs climbing the greasy lick spittle pole to get higher on a listβ are you referring to the last 6 years? Maybe he just missed out a couple of 'mores' in crucial places?
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Post by Hereward the Wake αααα²α on Sept 18, 2022 20:54:55 GMT
The 'right' will have similar success in Italy later this month as well.
The reason for the growth of the 'right' across Europe isn't 'racism or 'populism' or any other made up -ism. The reason for the growth of the right across Europe is the 'left'. People are sick to death of listening to their two faced hypocrisy and double standards and general bullshit.
The reason BJ got onto power was Corbyn. The reason Trump got into power was Hilary. The reason the 'right' have been successful in Sweden is because Swedish leftys don't listen to the people they pretend to represent.
You reap what you sow
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Post by musik on Sept 18, 2022 21:05:13 GMT
The 'right' will have similar success in Italy later this month as well. The reason for the growth of the 'right' across Europe isn't 'racism or 'populism' or any other made up -ism. The reason for the growth of the right across Europe is the 'left'. People are sick to death of listening to their two faced hypocrisy and double standards and general bullshit. The reason BJ got onto power was Corbyn. The reason Trump got into power was Hilary. The reason the 'right' have been successful in Sweden is because Swedish leftys don't listen to the people they pretend to represent. You reap what you sow ... and the speculative reasons they presented on the late news tv here were extremely far-fetched and involved taxes and energy prices. Mine above were more obvious ...
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Post by Hereward the Wake αααα²α on Sept 18, 2022 21:10:10 GMT
The 'right' will have similar success in Italy later this month as well. The reason for the growth of the 'right' across Europe isn't 'racism or 'populism' or any other made up -ism. The reason for the growth of the right across Europe is the 'left'. People are sick to death of listening to their two faced hypocrisy and double standards and general bullshit. The reason BJ got onto power was Corbyn. The reason Trump got into power was Hilary. The reason the 'right' have been successful in Sweden is because Swedish leftys don't listen to the people they pretend to represent. You reap what you sow ... and the speculative reasons they presented on the late news tv here were extremely far-fetched and involved taxes and energy prices. Mine above were more obvious ... MSM for you mate
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 18, 2022 21:56:52 GMT
The 'right' will have similar success in Italy later this month as well. The reason for the growth of the 'right' across Europe isn't 'racism or 'populism' or any other made up -ism. The reason for the growth of the right across Europe is the 'left'. People are sick to death of listening to their two faced hypocrisy and double standards and general bullshit. The reason BJ got onto power was Corbyn. The reason Trump got into power was Hilary. The reason the 'right' have been successful in Sweden is because Swedish leftys don't listen to the people they pretend to represent. You reap what you sow Itβs definitely racism.
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Post by Hereward the Wake αααα²α on Sept 18, 2022 22:08:57 GMT
The 'right' will have similar success in Italy later this month as well. The reason for the growth of the 'right' across Europe isn't 'racism or 'populism' or any other made up -ism. The reason for the growth of the right across Europe is the 'left'. People are sick to death of listening to their two faced hypocrisy and double standards and general bullshit. The reason BJ got onto power was Corbyn. The reason Trump got into power was Hilary. The reason the 'right' have been successful in Sweden is because Swedish leftys don't listen to the people they pretend to represent. You reap what you sow Itβs definitely racism. In some instances yes I agree 100%. The biggest racists are the leftys though
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 18, 2022 22:55:38 GMT
The 'right' will have similar success in Italy later this month as well. The reason for the growth of the 'right' across Europe isn't 'racism or 'populism' or any other made up -ism. The reason for the growth of the right across Europe is the 'left'. People are sick to death of listening to their two faced hypocrisy and double standards and general bullshit. The reason BJ got onto power was Corbyn. The reason Trump got into power was Hilary. The reason the 'right' have been successful in Sweden is because Swedish leftys don't listen to the people they pretend to represent. You reap what you sow The fact that the left's only references for modern day success are/were Sweden, Jacinda, dictator Trudeau, Biden and Portugal sum up the catastrophic state that their ideology is in. The rise of genuine right wing politics (not "far right" or "centre right" or "moderate right") is a beautiful thing and long overdue. Exciting times ahead for the West. The Liberal (illiberal) globalist left have been running this world for too long and people have had enough. Biden may as well resign now, it's all over for him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 18, 2022 23:18:08 GMT
The 'right' will have similar success in Italy later this month as well. The reason for the growth of the 'right' across Europe isn't 'racism or 'populism' or any other made up -ism. The reason for the growth of the right across Europe is the 'left'. People are sick to death of listening to their two faced hypocrisy and double standards and general bullshit. The reason BJ got onto power was Corbyn. The reason Trump got into power was Hilary. The reason the 'right' have been successful in Sweden is because Swedish leftys don't listen to the people they pretend to represent. You reap what you sow The fact that the left's only references for modern day success are/were Sweden, Jacinda, dictator Trudeau, Biden and Portugal sum up the catastrophic state that their ideology is in. The rise of genuine right wing politics (not "far right" or "centre right" or "moderate right") is a beautiful thing and long overdue. Exciting times ahead for the West. The Liberal (illiberal) globalist left have been running this world for too long and people have had enough. Biden may as well resign now, it's all over for him. Trump is far right. Heβs an ally of Putin. Who you say you canβt stand but you like his main ally.
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Post by Hereward the Wake αααα²α on Sept 18, 2022 23:26:02 GMT
The fact that the left's only references for modern day success are/were Sweden, Jacinda, dictator Trudeau, Biden and Portugal sum up the catastrophic state that their ideology is in. The rise of genuine right wing politics (not "far right" or "centre right" or "moderate right") is a beautiful thing and long overdue. Exciting times ahead for the West. The Liberal (illiberal) globalist left have been running this world for too long and people have had enough. Biden may as well resign now, it's all over for him. Trump is far right. Heβs an ally of Putin. Who you say you canβt stand but you like his main ally. You lie.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 18, 2022 23:30:03 GMT
Trump is far right. Heβs an ally of Putin. Who you say you canβt stand but you like his main ally. You lie. Ah yes thatβs why Putinβs best bet if Trump gets back in. Youβve been singing the praises of Russia anyway. So why would it bother you?
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 18, 2022 23:30:50 GMT
The fact that the left's only references for modern day success are/were Sweden, Jacinda, dictator Trudeau, Biden and Portugal sum up the catastrophic state that their ideology is in. The rise of genuine right wing politics (not "far right" or "centre right" or "moderate right") is a beautiful thing and long overdue. Exciting times ahead for the West. The Liberal (illiberal) globalist left have been running this world for too long and people have had enough. Biden may as well resign now, it's all over for him. Trump is far right. Heβs an ally of Putin. Who you say you canβt stand but you like his main ally. I've made it clear on multiple occasions that I don't think Trump is the man for the next US election and I don't think he will be. It's super Ron's to lose. I'm also not sure I'd define Trump as "far right" nor would I say he was Putin's main ally.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 18, 2022 23:32:43 GMT
Trump is far right. Heβs an ally of Putin. Who you say you canβt stand but you like his main ally. I've made it clear on multiple occasions that I don't think Trump is the man for the next US election and I don't think he will be. It's super Ron's to lose. I'm also not sure I'd define Trump as "far right" nor would I say he was Putin's main ally. Heβs Putinβs only true ally bar Iran, Syria and North Korea. Which should tell anyone all they need to know.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 18, 2022 23:39:52 GMT
I've made it clear on multiple occasions that I don't think Trump is the man for the nexit US election and I don't think he will be. It's super Ron's to lose. I'm also not sure I'd define Trump as "far right" nor would I say he was Putin's main ally. Heβs Putinβs only true ally bar Iran, Syria and North Korea. Which should tell anyone all they need to know. All being well, Putin will be finished by the time of the next US election and Trump won't be running so its a moot point. American's are pretty dumb but I think the majority of Republicans are finally starting to recognise that Trump isn't the future. The Democrat's would far rather face off an 80 year old Trump with baggage than DeSantis. DeSantis would absolutely crucify Biden/Harris in a run off for President.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 18, 2022 23:41:39 GMT
Heβs Putinβs only true ally bar Iran, Syria and North Korea. Which should tell anyone all they need to know. All being well, Putin will be finished by the time of the next US election and Trump won't be running so its a moot point. American's are pretty dumb but I think the majority of Republicans are finally starting to recognise that Trump isn't the future. The Democrat's would far rather face off an 80 year old Trump with baggage than DeSantis. DeSantis would absolutely crucify Biden/Harris in a run off for President. Is Desantis the idiot who canβt handle people talking about people being gay?
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