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Post by J-Roar on Sept 1, 2022 11:12:53 GMT
He is better than Bursik and he made several good saves, however he should come for the cross when they scored. I think the majority of modern keepers have a weekness in this area. I know there is a lot more pushing and shoving that goes on in the box in the modern but goalkeepers do not command there area as well as bygone eras. I don’t know if they are coached not to come ? I could do with a bit of that coaching.
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Bonham
Sept 1, 2022 11:24:32 GMT
Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 1, 2022 11:24:32 GMT
There when you need him. Go on son! Kept it to a single goal for us to get the draw. He did well last night. I'd still be pleased if we brought in a keeper today though.
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Bonham
Sept 1, 2022 11:26:08 GMT
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Post by Picasso on Sept 1, 2022 11:26:08 GMT
We definitely need a better keeper, but Bonham had a good game last night.
There’s no way he can be blamed for their goal. The parry from Allen was poor, but arguably, he was unsighted with Flint in front of him.
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Bonham
Sept 1, 2022 11:31:42 GMT
Post by prestwichpotter on Sept 1, 2022 11:31:42 GMT
We definitely need a better keeper, but Bonham had a good game last night. There’s no way he can be blamed for their goal. The parry from Allen was poor, but arguably, he was unsighted with Flint in front of him. Whether he would have saved it or not we'll never know, but looking back at the goal I'd like to see the keeper coming out aggressively to at least make himself big and close down the striker. It was close enough to his goal line for him to do that in my opinion.........
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Bonham
Sept 1, 2022 11:37:32 GMT
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Post by Picasso on Sept 1, 2022 11:37:32 GMT
We definitely need a better keeper, but Bonham had a good game last night. There’s no way he can be blamed for their goal. The parry from Allen was poor, but arguably, he was unsighted with Flint in front of him. Whether he would have saved it or not we'll never know, but looking back at the goal I'd like to see the keeper coming out aggressively to at least make himself big and close down the striker. It was close enough to his goal line for him to do that in my opinion......... I agree that he could’ve come out, but the ball in was excellent (and quick) - Despite that, he would have been looking for our defenders to get on to it. I don’t think he can be blamed though.
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Bonham
Sept 1, 2022 11:41:38 GMT
Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Sept 1, 2022 11:41:38 GMT
Was never his biggest fan but have to admit he’s won me over. I honestly think that if he looked more like a rock star than a 1930’s throwback he’s have more fans. No, he isn’t a Lev Yashin a Guinluigi Buffon or a Gordon Banks but he’s a decent, reliable steady eddy and there isn’t a lot wrong with that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2022 11:44:01 GMT
Was never his biggest fan but have to admit he’s won me over. I honestly think that if he looked more like a rock star than a 1930’s throwback he’s have more fans. No, he isn’t a Lev Yashin a Guinluigi Buffon or a Gordon Banks but he’s a decent, reliable steady eddy and there isn’t a lot wrong with that. Always reminds me of a young Jimmy Nail
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 2, 2022 1:48:36 GMT
Was never his biggest fan but have to admit he’s won me over. I honestly think that if he looked more like a rock star than a 1930’s throwback he’s have more fans. No, he isn’t a Lev Yashin a Guinluigi Buffon or a Gordon Banks but he’s a decent, reliable steady eddy and there isn’t a lot wrong with that. Always reminds me of a young Jimmy Nail Coincidentally both a rock star *and* a 1930s throwback
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Bonham
Sept 2, 2022 6:35:30 GMT
Post by hotpot on Sept 2, 2022 6:35:30 GMT
I'd give Blondy a go. And DWP too.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 2, 2022 6:37:34 GMT
I'd give Blondy a go. And DWP too. Blondy? We both are better goalkeepers.
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Sept 2, 2022 6:44:34 GMT
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Post by ceejays on Sept 2, 2022 6:44:34 GMT
I'd give Blondy a go. And DWP too. Blondy? We both are better goalkeepers. You actually made a good point about the team being knackered after Blackburn and our lack of conditioning. But your continual posts about goalkeepers shows you up to be the knob head you are
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Sept 2, 2022 6:47:31 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 2, 2022 6:47:31 GMT
Blondy? We both are better goalkeepers. You actually made a good point about the team being knackered after Blackburn and our lack of conditioning. But your continual posts about goalkeepers shows you up to be the knob head you are Blondy is woeful. Have you ever watched him play? And re keepers this board is in a cycle of judging our keepers against our other keepers and then wanting and promoting crap keepers. Bonham was at fault for the goal and should have led to another one yet people think he played well because he made some regulation saves. It’s just not the way to look at it. But Bursik does this…..it doesn’t matter….we need better than both.
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Post by lordb on Sept 2, 2022 6:48:28 GMT
Blondy? We both are better goalkeepers. You actually made a good point about the team being knackered after Blackburn and our lack of conditioning. But your continual posts about goalkeepers shows you up to be the knob head you are He's right about Blondy, he makes some fantastic saves but is as crazy a keeper as you will get
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Bonham
Sept 2, 2022 6:50:24 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 2, 2022 6:50:24 GMT
You actually made a good point about the team being knackered after Blackburn and our lack of conditioning. But your continual posts about goalkeepers shows you up to be the knob head you are He's right about Blondy, he makes some fantastic saves but is as crazy a keeper as you will get He’s just awful. And is now blocking Simkin’s development because we couldn’t presumably get him a loan because they’ve seen him play.
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Post by tachyon on Sept 2, 2022 6:56:48 GMT
Bonham's faced shots on target in the Championship since 2014/15 that are worth just over 20 post shot expected goals. He's conceded 18 (+ an own goal). That makes him 10% better than an average Championship shot stopper, but he's only faced 60 odd attempts, so the uncertainty is fairly wide. He's saved around seven shots that were more likely to go in than not and missed out on around five that are more often saved. Fielding's 1% better than the average Championship shot stopper over 350+ goal attempts spread over 5 Championship seasons. But he's 34 and 150 days old and his last meaningful minutes were in 17/18. Here's the shot plots for both. Attachment Deleted
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Bonham
Sept 2, 2022 6:57:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2022 6:57:28 GMT
You actually made a good point about the team being knackered after Blackburn and our lack of conditioning. But your continual posts about goalkeepers shows you up to be the knob head you are Blondy is woeful. Have you ever watched him play? And re keepers this board is in a cycle of judging our keepers against our other keepers and then wanting and promoting crap keepers. Bonham was at fault for the goal and should have led to another one yet people think he played well because he made some regulation saves. It’s just not the way to look at it. But Bursik does this…..it doesn’t matter….we need better than both. I'm clinging on to the hope that when Etebo leaves Clark will sign. He's got to be going somewhere.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 2, 2022 8:16:36 GMT
Zander Clark's demands must be coming down and there aren't many clubs at our level who have a No.1 role just sitting there waiting to be filled.
He must be getting towards the stage where he'd accept a 12-month deal on reduced terms.
It's a risky game relying on Bonham, and being a broken finger away from Joe Bursik getting another long run.
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Sept 2, 2022 8:52:03 GMT
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 2, 2022 8:52:03 GMT
Has to stay in, even if he drops the odd clanger along the way!!! It's doing nobody any favours keep chopping and changing our keepers!!! In my opinion, he's the best of the bunch we have here at the moment!!! At least until we can get someone better in anyhow!!! Hyaduck is alive and well Wonder if hyaduck been banned
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Sept 2, 2022 8:57:23 GMT
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Post by wakeypotter on Sept 2, 2022 8:57:23 GMT
I personally view Bursik as the most overrated, super hyped up GK in decades here. Honestly, how he is on 2 mil quid is ludicrous and more indicative of stupid money being punted on unproven and full of it players. England under 21, Ha. He's quite honestly the worst GK "prospect" I've seen at stoke in quite a while. How half this bloody board has portrayed him as the second coming of Banks is fucking hilarious. You know who you lot are. Bonham has done more of an average job just doing the basics and keeping simple clean sheets. I don't give a shit if his distribution is worse, having Bursik mis easy straight shots at himself each week is far worse. We really need better overall and its sad for the young lad but it is the truth, Bonham is better. “You know who you are”? Give me a break.. Find me something from one poster on here (let alone “half the board”) that comes remotely close to hailing Bursik as the second coming of Banks. What you will find is people giving cautious and qualified praise for a promising young goalkeeper who has potential for the club far beyond what Bonham can offer. And btw if you’re really interested in ridiculous groupthink overrating of excruciatingly mediocre goalkeepers, search the word “Davies” Davies was a far better keeper than both of them. Had neil been here he wouldn’t have gotten rid of him
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Bonham
Sept 2, 2022 11:15:47 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Sept 2, 2022 11:15:47 GMT
Zander Clark's demands must be coming down and there aren't many clubs at our level who have a No.1 role just sitting there waiting to be filled. He must be getting towards the stage where he'd accept a 12-month deal on reduced terms. It's a risky game relying on Bonham, and being a broken finger away from Joe Bursik getting another long run. Can we still loan Bursik out? If not, how can we afford Clark, Bonham, Bursik and Fielding for two spots in the squad?
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Bonham
Sept 2, 2022 11:23:04 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Sept 2, 2022 11:23:04 GMT
Zander Clark's demands must be coming down and there aren't many clubs at our level who have a No.1 role just sitting there waiting to be filled. He must be getting towards the stage where he'd accept a 12-month deal on reduced terms. It's a risky game relying on Bonham, and being a broken finger away from Joe Bursik getting another long run. Can we still loan Bursik out? If not, how can we afford Clark, Bonham, Bursik and Fielding for two spots in the squad? If we can afford the wage and fit in under FFP, would think everything else is secondary? Wouldn't think he'd be asking for big money. He's currently earning £0, has been for a while and was probably on League 1 money at St Johnstone - and must be wondering who'll come in for him at all, let alone offer him a No.1 role? We could leave Fielding out of the 25 maybe. Realistically he's not going to feature. Just got a feeling this is really going to bite us.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Sept 2, 2022 11:30:14 GMT
Can we still loan Bursik out? If not, how can we afford Clark, Bonham, Bursik and Fielding for two spots in the squad? If we can afford the wage and fit in under FFP, would think everything else is secondary? Wouldn't think he'd be asking for big money. He's currently earning £0, has been for a while and was probably on League 1 money at St Johnstone - and must be wondering who'll come in for him at all, let alone offer him a No.1 role? We could leave Fielding out of the 25 maybe. Realistically he's not going to feature. Just got a feeling this is really going to bite us. Yeah it’s a big concern, Bonham has got less clangers in him than Bursik but we’ve still seen enough to know that he’s not good enough to be in goal for a side that has ambitions on promotion. I wonder if Neil is aware of this and is even thinking he needs another goalkeeper at this stage?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 4, 2022 11:58:11 GMT
We need a goalkeeper.
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Post by bagnallboothen on Sept 4, 2022 12:00:04 GMT
The best keeper at the club is Phil Jagielka
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Bonham
Sept 4, 2022 12:02:12 GMT
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Post by shrewspotter on Sept 4, 2022 12:02:12 GMT
Nyland and Karius the current pick of the no club keepers
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Bonham
Sept 4, 2022 12:02:15 GMT
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Sept 4, 2022 12:02:15 GMT
Pulled out his Gordon Marshall tribute act there and as far as tribute acts go it was top notch.
Shocking mistakes all round. Back in it now do hopefully we get a couple more
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Sept 4, 2022 12:04:50 GMT
I dread to think how bad Fielding is if he can't get a game infront of this pair of incompetent clowns.
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Post by tejstokie on Sept 4, 2022 13:35:19 GMT
I dread to think how bad Fielding is if he can't get a game infront of this pair of incompetent clowns. Sad state isn't it? I'd honestly loan out to oblivion all of them for three brand new options. Said we'd drop points if we didn't get a Championship quality GK in when everyone said they just needed time. Here we are. Expect more of it with the occasional average or basic performance. Real indicative of the coaching and failure of players to improve especially Bursik. Can't imagine Fieldings issues after seeing Bursik give a few goals each match and that howler from Bonham today.
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Post by milky on Sept 4, 2022 13:43:42 GMT
The 2 keepers we have are basically taking it in turns to out bollock drop one another it seem.
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 4, 2022 14:02:49 GMT
Obviously made a complete howler, but he still offers more than what we had. He was coming for crosses and generally sound. All our keepers have errors, but he’s the best we have right now.
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