nickhfc
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Post by nickhfc on Aug 25, 2022 13:28:12 GMT
True, strange thing is, that first game is probably one the best highlights of his tenure. Shame he couldn’t get us playing like that in the last 10 months. For me, it all started going dooafter WBA at home last season. Yes, injuries were a factor, but think it was more than that, we never seem to play like we did at Barnsley. The good games were very few and far between. Stand outs were Sheff Wednesday at home and Huddersfield away when we won 5-2. Undoubtedly injuries to Campbell, Souttar and Powell at key times didn't help. However, he went all in with a system that couldn't work once his 2 wingback were injured and demonstrated that he wouldn't or couldn't adapt. Spot on
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 25, 2022 13:28:37 GMT
Thank you for keeping us up in the first season, and thank you for getting rid of a lot of unwanted players too. Apart from that you unfortunately didn't get enough out of the team and we had two very disappointing seasons, and the start of this season has been even worse to be honest.....
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Post by retrostoke on Aug 25, 2022 13:31:22 GMT
Sorry it didn’t work out Michael. You kept us up. You’ve left us with a very strong squad. Can’t recall any Stoke manager having such bad luck with injuries but things have stagnated.
Hope you next venture is a successful one.
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Post by thehoof on Aug 25, 2022 13:31:44 GMT
Did well to keep us up. After that, the football and results were nothing to make anyone think that we would be anything but a lower mid table team. At least there are 41 games to go, can’t help thinking that close season was the time to do the sacking ( especially after the pre- season shambles which turned out to be a true indicator of the first 6 games.)
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 25, 2022 13:37:59 GMT
I'm not two faced. I've backed him right to the end even if I've given constructive criticism to some of the things he's done. And why is that? Because I've seen this all before, many, many times. I'm not one to say 'Be careful what you wish for'. Hopefully, we will bring in a manager who will buck the trend, and we'll all live happily ever after. But that doesn't happen.
So, for me, I want to wish MON well and good luck for the future in whatever you do.
OS doffs flat cap to a very nice bloke.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Aug 25, 2022 13:39:49 GMT
Aye, sorry for all the names I called you in haste. A good bloke and enjoyed a lot of games under him, which I hadn't done in a long time.
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Post by franklin on Aug 25, 2022 13:43:07 GMT
Football is strange a bloke gets the sack because he's crap at his job and he's thanked.
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Post by onepara on Aug 25, 2022 13:49:38 GMT
Football is strange a bloke gets the sack because he's crap at his job and he's thanked. As I said above. 2 faced.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 25, 2022 13:49:43 GMT
Thank you for taking the worst-performing team in the division to one of the best-performing throughout 2020. I’ll never quite understand how you took us back to being one of the worst-performing in 2021-22 but there you go.
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Post by gawa on Aug 25, 2022 13:51:29 GMT
Football is strange a bloke gets the sack because he's crap at his job and he's thanked. Could be worse. Could have been really shit at his job and run the club into the ground and left it the worst its been in recent history and then had people asking for him to stay on. Luckily he's not BoJo though.
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Post by durbanscircus on Aug 25, 2022 13:51:52 GMT
I agree with most of the comments made here. He certainly had achievements, but most of those were as people have said, managing the club on to sounder foundations- no mean achievement given what has happened and the collossal financial lossses we have made ( are these the worst in Champoinship history on a cumlative basis?) . He nearly stayed too long though and we could have come unstuck given the unmistakable trends over the last year. For me his tenure should of ended after the defeat by Luton at Home.That confirmed that while we had talent on the pitch they would never be a team.Everyone stood looking at the ground when their second went in.
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Post by neddy on Aug 25, 2022 13:52:29 GMT
Football is strange a bloke gets the sack because he's crap at his job and he's thanked. Could be worse. Could have been really shit at his job and run the club into the ground and left it the worst its been in recent history and then had people asking for him to stay on. Luckily he's not BoJo though. Shall you stay GAWA with the troubled ship SCFC?
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 25, 2022 13:54:11 GMT
Thank you Michael For saving us from certain relegation to the Third tier of English football. Thank you for cleaning out all the overpaid deadwood and steadying our FFP crisis. Thank you for developing some of our great young players: Brown, Tymon, Tezgel, Campbell, Taylor, Souttar… Thank you for some of these incredible signings this summer. You’ve left us in a good place to be able to kick on as a club (Hopefully) I’m wishing him all the best.. Well put Michael!!!
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Post by franklin on Aug 25, 2022 13:56:11 GMT
Football is strange a bloke gets the sack because he's crap at his job and he's thanked. As I said above. 2 faced. I'm thankful he's gone so much so that his departure raised not a flickering of remorse.
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Post by gawa on Aug 25, 2022 13:57:58 GMT
Could be worse. Could have been really shit at his job and run the club into the ground and left it the worst its been in recent history and then had people asking for him to stay on. Luckily he's not BoJo though. Shall you stay GAWA with the troubled ship SCFC? Yeah I've enjoyed watching Stoke and seeing the team develop, and have a real affinity for the squad at present too. Not particularly looking forward to the next 4-6 weeks though as I feel we are still going to struggle with the injuries. Unless of course a new manager can bring in a last minute player or two. Come October though it should be exciting to see how we play with a much fitter squad. Whoever the new manager is they'll need a bit of patience. Hopefully someone young and dynamic rather than a dinosaur.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 25, 2022 14:00:00 GMT
Exactly the right appointment at the time. Did a brilliant job keeping us up. Pity he hasn't been able to move us forward. Thank you Michael. We’re a long way forward from where we were when he came in. We were on the edge of a very black hole. The players were there to NOT be flirting with relegation, it's just that Jones wasn't getting anything from them..... It's pretty much the same now, the players are there, it's just that O'Neil isn't getting anything from them.... carry on with O'Neil's trend, and he would have put us back to square one!!!
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 25, 2022 14:10:56 GMT
We’re a long way forward from where we were when he came in. We were on the edge of a very black hole. The players were there to NOT be flirting with relegation, it's just that Jones wasn't getting anything from them..... It's pretty much the same now, the players are there, it's just that O'Neil isn't getting anything from them.... carry on with O'Neil's trend, and he would have put us back to square one!!! I think you’re underplaying what he achieved. He’s also introduced a number of quality young players which leaves us in a good position moving forward. Maybe he trusted young players a little too much and failed to introduce quality experienced players to take the heat off the likes of Bursik.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 25, 2022 14:31:46 GMT
The players were there to NOT be flirting with relegation, it's just that Jones wasn't getting anything from them..... It's pretty much the same now, the players are there, it's just that O'Neil isn't getting anything from them.... carry on with O'Neil's trend, and he would have put us back to square one!!! I think you’re underplaying what he achieved. He’s also introduced a number of quality young players which leaves us in a good position moving forward. Maybe he trusted young players a little too much and failed to introduce quality experienced players to take the heat off the likes of Bursik. He also mis-managed some younger players too!!! He bring them in, then ultimately dropped them the next game for no apparent reason, even if they'd done well the previous game... Forrester, Wright-Philips, Collins..... Can't have done their confidence much good, on a high one minute, then dropped the next!!! Don't get me wrong, I can't pretend I know the ins and outs of the club, and what goes on on a daily basis in training, but I don't think it's right to make out he was some modern day Dario Gradi without adding the fact that he messed some of those youngsters around as well!!!
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Post by gawa on Aug 25, 2022 14:48:25 GMT
I think you’re underplaying what he achieved. He’s also introduced a number of quality young players which leaves us in a good position moving forward. Maybe he trusted young players a little too much and failed to introduce quality experienced players to take the heat off the likes of Bursik. He also mis-managed some younger players too!!! He bring them in, then ultimately dropped them the next game for no apparent reason, even if they'd done well the previous game... Forrester, Wright-Philips, Collins..... Can't have done their confidence much good, on a high one minute, then dropped the next!!! Don't get me wrong, I can't pretend I know the ins and outs of the club, and what goes on on a daily basis in training, but I don't think it's right to make out he was some modern day Dario Gradi without adding the fact that he messed some of those youngsters around as well!!! I don't think anyone is suggesting he's a modern Dario Gradi. They're just giving credit where credits due. Can't say I remember Collins being dropped aside from when injured. Forrester was one that got away but he had a terrible injury record. But maybe could have been managed better? DWP I think has been managed well if truth be told. Aside from the above Joe Bursik would be the one I'd say has been mismanaged the most. And I'm not sure if part of that is possibly also an arrogance on Joe's side but he shouldn't be playing championship football this season or last. On the whole though when you consider Collins, Souttar, Taylor, Tymon, Brown, Campbell, DWP and the other young players out on loan or still coming through like Griffiths and Tezgel etc.. I think he's done well in that department during his tenure.
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Post by Dresden_scfc on Aug 25, 2022 14:51:03 GMT
The season he came in he was brilliant and saved us from relegation and I'll never forget the 4-2 away at Barnsley great game to be at. You had a feeling he could take us forward, unfortunately he couldn't take us further forward and he actually went backwards on his own progress, with formation, tactics, selection, ineffective subs/decisions. Ultimately he's been his own downfall and it's a shame really. The right decision has been made today and it's long overdue. I've got nothing against him personally but it's best for everyone that the he's gone. Hopefully the board make the right move in their next appointment, you have to be proactive.
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Post by questionable on Aug 25, 2022 14:53:01 GMT
Football is strange a bloke gets the sack because he's crap at his job and he's thanked. I’m thinking along the same lines, bizarre. It’s a bit thanking Etobo for his service or thanking Bursik for his impeccable performance on Saturday.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 25, 2022 15:17:03 GMT
Football is strange a bloke gets the sack because he's crap at his job and he's thanked. I’m thinking along the same lines, bizarre. It’s a bit thanking Etobo for his service or thanking Bursik for his impeccable performance on Saturday. Not really. Name me a manager that hasn’t been sacked other than perhaps Guardiola, they all get the boot eventually. Who knows where we’d ge know if he hadn’t come in and galvanised us, we were an absolute car crash. I’d hazard a guess the bottom half of League One. It’s not much to simply say thanks for your efforts and all the best…….
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Post by stokeyank on Aug 25, 2022 15:19:11 GMT
Football is strange a bloke gets the sack because he's crap at his job and he's thanked. As I said above. 2 faced. Well since the world is not black and white I don't find it strange at all. The stabilizing effect he initially had to keep us in this division is worthy of thanks. So is the back room work on players and contracts. But yes his in game management and the way we have played for 2 seasons has been crap. I wanted him gone but thank him for the bits he did well.
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Post by boweryboy on Aug 25, 2022 15:20:06 GMT
Has all these thanking him noticed the league table,back to square one on the back of poor performances.... thanks Michael!!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 25, 2022 15:26:52 GMT
Has all these thanking him noticed the league table,back to square one on the back of poor performances.... thanks Michael!! If you think we’re in an equally dire situation to when he arrived then I despair…….
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Post by trincostokie on Aug 25, 2022 15:30:57 GMT
I wish Michael all the best in what ever job follows...a very personable man who, even after way too long of uninspiring football, is very difficult to dislike. A terrible run of injuries to key players, yes, but he just wasn't able to get a tune out of the players at his disposal.
Onwards and now hopefully upwards!
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Post by boweryboy on Aug 25, 2022 15:32:47 GMT
Despair away, someone has to come in and try to get a tune out of mediocre players O'Neill has left us with.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Aug 25, 2022 15:33:04 GMT
He started off brilliantly and we upward trend was promising. I’m thankful he was able to turn around the shitshow that Rowett and Jones left us in.
Whilst he’s been unlucky with injuries and restricted by FFP I still felt we had enough resources, relative to others in the league, to continue the upward trend. What we’ve seen is stagnation and a worrying decline over the last 12 months.
All the best to MON in the future and I’m glad he’s been shown the exit without getting too much stick from the supporters.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Aug 25, 2022 15:40:04 GMT
I’m thinking along the same lines, bizarre. It’s a bit thanking Etobo for his service or thanking Bursik for his impeccable performance on Saturday. Not really. Name me a manager that hasn’t been sacked other than perhaps Guardiola, they all get the boot eventually. Who knows where we’d ge know if he hadn’t come in and galvanised us, we were an absolute car crash. I’d hazard a guess the bottom half of League One. It’s not much to simply say thanks for your efforts and all the best……. The perfect time to do that would have been after the Coventry game though. The very fact that it has turned a bit sour and nasty and only very slightly sour and nasty at that, is entirely down to the inept goings on at Coates HQ. He could have gone with virtually universal good wishes and a large part of his reputation intact. I can wish him well but I think he's going to have to slide down the leagues and prove himself again if he doesn't fancy the NI job. Bottom half Championship looks like the very ceiling of his abilities to me.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 25, 2022 15:53:22 GMT
He also mis-managed some younger players too!!! He bring them in, then ultimately dropped them the next game for no apparent reason, even if they'd done well the previous game... Forrester, Wright-Philips, Collins..... Can't have done their confidence much good, on a high one minute, then dropped the next!!! Don't get me wrong, I can't pretend I know the ins and outs of the club, and what goes on on a daily basis in training, but I don't think it's right to make out he was some modern day Dario Gradi without adding the fact that he messed some of those youngsters around as well!!! I don't think anyone is suggesting he's a modern Dario Gradi. They're just giving credit where credits due. Can't say I remember Collins being dropped aside from when injured. Forrester was one that got away but he had a terrible injury record. But maybe could have been managed better? DWP I think has been managed well if truth be told. Aside from the above Joe Bursik would be the one I'd say has been mismanaged the most. And I'm not sure if part of that is possibly also an arrogance on Joe's side but he shouldn't be playing championship football this season or last. On the whole though when you consider Collins, Souttar, Taylor, Tymon, Brown, Campbell, DWP and the other young players out on loan or still coming through like Griffiths and Tezgel etc.. I think he's done well in that department during his tenure. Collins was in and out of the side in favour of Chester in his first full season, with most of his appearances being from the bench!!! He had a short spell out of position at rightback/wing-back, when Smith was suspended, then again when Smith was dropped or injured, can't remember now??? Wright-Philips burst onto the scene with a couple of good games and a goal along the way, which (I recall) his grandad went mental over (a good mental by the way), then next minute he was gone.... In favour of new signings Philogene-Bidace and Maja!!! Tezgel.... I'm not quite sure how O'Neil comes into this, Russell yes, but not O'Neil!!! I'm not saying he hasn't given youth a chance, I'm just saying I can't give him to much credit when he's mismanaged some of them!!!
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