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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 25, 2022 11:30:55 GMT
Exactly the right appointment at the time. Did a brilliant job keeping us up. Pity he hasn't been able to move us forward. Thank you Michael. We’re a long way forward from where we were when he came in. We were on the edge of a very black hole.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Aug 25, 2022 11:33:22 GMT
Has he left us in a better place than when he found us? 100% he has. For a manager with very limited league football management experience he did a superb job at first, and history will show that overall he did a good job in sorting out an absolute mess of a playing squad. It's a shame that the football stagnated and that he seemed to have lost that spark, and it was becoming clear to see that he had ran out of ideas of how to get it back. All the best Michael in the future, I dread to think how bad it would have got if you hadn't walked through the door in 2019. Spot on. Painted himself into a corner. But its a rare manager that leaves a club in as a much an improved condition as he is.
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Post by phill51 on Aug 25, 2022 11:35:19 GMT
Exactly the right appointment at the time. Did a brilliant job keeping us up. Pity he hasn't been able to move us forward. Thank you Michael. You don't believe he's moved us forward? Not as much as I would have liked.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Aug 25, 2022 11:35:43 GMT
in many ways he did a good job, had a lot of stuff to deal with, more than most managers face at most clubs in the end he simply failed to get the best out of his players for too long a period & had to go Spot on fella.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 25, 2022 11:35:45 GMT
Exactly the right appointment at the time. Did a brilliant job keeping us up. Pity he hasn't been able to move us forward. Thank you Michael. You don't believe he's moved us forward? There is forward off the pitch and forward on the pitch. Off the pitch I think we owe him big time. On the pitch I believe we will benefit somewhere down the line, but there has been little sense of progression on the pitch for sometime now. We have been going backwards from the place he got us to, if that makes sense!!!
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Post by bertiestan on Aug 25, 2022 11:37:50 GMT
We are in a much better state than when he arrived, there's no argument there n for that I thank him and wish him well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2022 11:40:20 GMT
You don't believe he's moved us forward? Not as much as I would have liked. I'd be surprised if every Stoke fan doesn't feel that way mate.
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Post by paulinead on Aug 25, 2022 11:41:17 GMT
Many thanks Michael. You have achieved a great deal and put our club on a more stable footing. You have shown yourself to be a decent person and a reliable professional sometimes in difficult circumstances. I wish you all the very best for the future. Pauline
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Post by stokiemac on Aug 25, 2022 11:41:58 GMT
Came to do a job and did it very well in getting a tune out of a bloated and confused squad. Now the remit has changed to having a go at the top 10 with a younger hungrier team and it's not in his skill set. It's just a shame it couldn't have been dealt with in pre season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2022 11:55:17 GMT
You don't believe he's moved us forward? There is forward off the pitch and forward on the pitch. Off the pitch I think we owe him big time. On the pitch I believe we will benefit somewhere down the line, but there has been little sense of progression on the pitch for sometime now. We have been going backwards from the place he got us to, if that makes sense!!! Yes mate, it makes perfect sense. One of MON's main job tasks after keeping us up was to cut the massive wage bill by trimming a mess of a playing squad whilst trying to build a brand new squad that could keep us competitive and eventually push on and build a squad capable of challenging at the right end of this division. He has done just that, but for some reason he had seemed to completely run out of ideas on how to get that squad challenging where it could/should have been. He has shown in his time here, despite all the negativity in oatcake land, that he is a good manager, but for reasons only he knows he's lost his way on the pitch and that is ultimately where he will be judged week in, week out. In my opinion, when he walked through the door he had one of the toughest jobs in this division, if not the toughest, and he saved our football club from certain relegation, so for that I'm grateful. He has also guided our club through a really difficult period in our recent history and we are coming out of the other side in a stronger position to kick on like I wanted us to do under his management. It hasn't worked out, which is a shame in my opinion, as I honestly thought he was the man who could kick us on eventually, but it hasn't happened so we all move on.
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Post by northstaffycher on Aug 25, 2022 11:56:27 GMT
Well said, poster. All the very best for the future, Sir. Sometimes it just doesn’t work out long term.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 25, 2022 11:57:33 GMT
There is forward off the pitch and forward on the pitch. Off the pitch I think we owe him big time. On the pitch I believe we will benefit somewhere down the line, but there has been little sense of progression on the pitch for sometime now. We have been going backwards from the place he got us to, if that makes sense!!! Yes mate, it makes perfect sense. One of MON's main job tasks after keeping us up was to cut the massive wage bill by trimming a mess of a playing squad whilst trying to build a brand new squad that could keep us competitive and eventually push on and build a squad capable of challenging at the right end of this division. He has done just that, but for some reason he had seemed to completely run out of ideas on how to get that squad challenging where it could/should have been. He has shown in his time here, despite all the negativity in oatcake land, that he is a good manager, but for reasons only he knows he's lost his way on the pitch and that is ultimately where he will be judged week in, week out. In my opinion, when he walked through the door he had one of the toughest jobs in this division, if not the toughest, and he saved our football club from certain relegation, so for that I'm grateful. He has also guided our club through a really difficult period in our recent history and we are coming out of the other side in a stronger position to kick on like I wanted us to do under his management. It hasn't worked out, which is a shame in my opinion, as I honestly thought he was the man who could kick us on eventually, but it hasn't happened so we all move on. spot on.
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Post by fca47 on Aug 25, 2022 12:00:18 GMT
Shame it came to this, he goes with my goodwill. Just hope Dean Holden isn't in charge for long, worst I've seen us play when he deputised for MON.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 25, 2022 12:01:18 GMT
Thank you Michael For saving us from certain relegation to the Third tier of English football. Thank you for cleaning out all the overpaid deadwood and steadying our FFP crisis. Thank you for developing some of our great young players: Brown, Tymon, Tezgel, Campbell, Taylor, Souttar… Thank you for some of these incredible signings this summer. You’ve left us in a good place to be able to kick on as a club (Hopefully) I’m wishing him all the best.. Think I've just been sick in my mouth.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 25, 2022 12:17:57 GMT
I wish him good luck, did a very good job initially and was very reassuring during a horrible time
A good guy and a good professional who will do a good job elsewhere.
I'm already hoping he takes over at Dundee united
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 25, 2022 12:27:18 GMT
Am I the only one that thinks he came across as a bit of a smug twat
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Post by jhtstokie on Aug 25, 2022 12:36:56 GMT
Think his sarcy comments towards the fans after the boro game was a big nail in the coffin and started to spell the end, as it was for rowett aswell. Was always a matter of time with how stale and abject everything turned.
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Post by Goonie on Aug 25, 2022 12:41:56 GMT
No venom for O'Neil he just wasn't capable of going any further after achieving survival
Will always be an underdog not a top dog
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Aug 25, 2022 12:47:25 GMT
Am I the only one that thinks he came across as a bit of a smug twat Yes
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Aug 25, 2022 12:48:26 GMT
I echo everything the OP said. Just a shame it had to end this way.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 25, 2022 12:53:38 GMT
Am I the only one that thinks he came across as a bit of a smug twat Yes Far enough, it amazes me how many people have met him to be able to say what a good bloke he is, he must have got around a lot
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 25, 2022 12:54:46 GMT
Obviously no one knows everything that goes on behind the scenes, but I would've given it another 3 to 4 games with some kind of ultimatum, although maybe that had happened already.
Rowett and Jones were far more clear-cut sackings.
It's a strange one as I think there's a really good manager in O'Neill, and things could've been so different if it wasn't for the regular injuries to our best players. But it's important to adapt, and MON just didn't seem to be proactive (or at times even reactive).
But we're most definitely in a much better position on and off the pitch for O'Neill's time here, and the current squad is young and looks good.
O'Neill was close to achieving everything he came to Stoke to do, and I hope he finds success elsewhere, but never at the expense of Stoke.
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Post by foxysgloves on Aug 25, 2022 13:05:52 GMT
Obviously no one knows everything that goes on behind the scenes, but I would've given it another 3 to 4 games with some kind of ultimatum, although maybe that had happened already. Rowett and Jones were far more clear-cut sackings. It's a strange one as I think there's a really good manager in O'Neill, and things could've been so different if it wasn't for the regular injuries to our best players. But it's important to adapt, and MON just didn't seem to be proactive (or at times even reactive). But we're most definitely in a much better position on and off the pitch for O'Neill's time here, and the current squad is young and looks good. O'Neill was close to achieving everything he came to Stoke to do, and I hope he finds success elsewhere, but never at the expense of Stoke. I wonder has the hip operation made an impact. Seeing him hobbling around the place still makes you wonder how difficult the last year or so has been for him. The injury jinx strikes again!
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 25, 2022 13:07:59 GMT
Obviously no one knows everything that goes on behind the scenes, but I would've given it another 3 to 4 games with some kind of ultimatum, although maybe that had happened already. Rowett and Jones were far more clear-cut sackings. It's a strange one as I think there's a really good manager in O'Neill, and things could've been so different if it wasn't for the regular injuries to our best players. But it's important to adapt, and MON just didn't seem to be proactive (or at times even reactive). But we're most definitely in a much better position on and off the pitch for O'Neill's time here, and the current squad is young and looks good. O'Neill was close to achieving everything he came to Stoke to do, and I hope he finds success elsewhere, but never at the expense of Stoke. I wonder has the hip operation made an impact. Seeing him hobbling around the place still makes you wonder how difficult the last year or so has been for him. The injury jinx strikes again! He's definitely had a big chunk of bad luck after that first season. Catching covid on the verge of a new season too (or maybe it was when the postponed season restarted, I don't remember).
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 25, 2022 13:09:40 GMT
It's the right decision, and I really think it was the obvious move last spring.
But I never wish any ill-will to any ex-manager, especially one as grown-up and decent as MON.
Such a shame it ended this way after the fireworks of his first 12 months.
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Post by wilcopotter on Aug 25, 2022 13:14:03 GMT
It's a pity. Barnsley away for his first game was amazing - gave us some hope after the shite of Rowett and Jones. Thought we might survive then and it was a miracle we managed it so comfortably in the end. Nice bloke who died on the hill of 532. True, strange thing is, that first game is probably one the best highlights of his tenure. Shame he couldn’t get us playing like that in the last 10 months. For me, it all started going dooafter WBA at home last season. Yes, injuries were a factor, but think it was more than that, we never seem to play like we did at Barnsley.
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Post by lordb on Aug 25, 2022 13:15:49 GMT
It's the right decision, and I really think it was the obvious move last spring. But I never wish any ill-will to any ex-manager, especially one as grown-up and decent as MON. Such a shame it ended this way after the fireworks of his first 12 months. except Cotterill & even then only football related ill-will, the time he's had with COVID has been shocking
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Post by jonso on Aug 25, 2022 13:15:55 GMT
He saved us from the abyss. Enabled the deadwood to run down their crazy contracts and get a bit back in cash. Keep the right side of FFP . He had a lot of pluses for me. I’d have liked to see him upstairs.
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Post by onepara on Aug 25, 2022 13:22:28 GMT
Here we go. 2 faced posters, giving him a pat on the back on his way out of the door. It's the right decision to send him on his way, but don't start this "Well done Michael for your time here, sorry, hope you have a nice future". Most on here have been calling for him to get the chop. Very much, the same posters well-wishing him. I told my son when he arrived that he wouldn't get us up. I just hope that we get someone who gives us football that we can watch, & not this never-ending passing across the back. He's been well paid for his time here, & knowing how the Coates's have dealt with this in the past, they will have paid him the remainder of his contract.
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Post by J-Roar on Aug 25, 2022 13:25:12 GMT
It's a pity. Barnsley away for his first game was amazing - gave us some hope after the shite of Rowett and Jones. Thought we might survive then and it was a miracle we managed it so comfortably in the end. Nice bloke who died on the hill of 532. True, strange thing is, that first game is probably one the best highlights of his tenure. Shame he couldn’t get us playing like that in the last 10 months. For me, it all started going dooafter WBA at home last season. Yes, injuries were a factor, but think it was more than that, we never seem to play like we did at Barnsley. The good games were very few and far between. Stand outs were Sheff Wednesday at home and Huddersfield away when we won 5-2. Undoubtedly injuries to Campbell, Souttar and Powell at key times didn't help. However, he went all in with a system that couldn't work once his 2 wingback were injured and demonstrated that he wouldn't or couldn't adapt.
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