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Post by chell_rosey on Aug 20, 2022 21:18:14 GMT
He strikes me now, with attitude and demeanour, as a caretaker manager. That's what HE believes, I think.
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Post by stokesupporter on Aug 20, 2022 21:21:27 GMT
There’s a lot on here who are football ignorant and think they know it all. Wait to see where we are at the end of September when team has blended in - that the time to moan to change manager - there are a lot on here who wanted Pulis out and look where we are now When Pullis left, this Club enjoyed probably close to its best ever Football, players and Results under Hughes. We are not where we are because Pullis left. Ridiculous statement. We are here because of Whelan and Walters departed at the same time. Before that we were a perfect combination of fight and skill. At least one of them should have stayed for another season.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 20, 2022 21:22:39 GMT
I'd just love to watch Fosu as an out and out winger providing crosses for Delap, I think there could be a few goals there!!
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Post by newsteadst3 on Aug 20, 2022 21:26:05 GMT
I'd just love to watch Fosu as an out and out winger providing crosses for Delap, I think there could be a few goals there!! Wasted at RWB is Fosu , need him further up the field how he was first half.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 20, 2022 21:26:58 GMT
None of this would have happened if we hadn’t sent Charterhouse boys master P. H. Winkerington packing on his boneshaker in 1852
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Post by thevoid on Aug 20, 2022 21:27:06 GMT
When Pullis left, this Club enjoyed probably close to its best ever Football, players and Results under Hughes. We are not where we are because Pullis left. Ridiculous statement. We are here because of Whelan and Walters departed at the same time. Before that we were a perfect combination of fight and skill. At least one of them should have stayed for another season. Get out of the pub lad 😂
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Post by matelot1996 on Aug 20, 2022 21:36:53 GMT
When Pullis left, this Club enjoyed probably close to its best ever Football, players and Results under Hughes. We are not where we are because Pullis left. Ridiculous statement. We are here because of Whelan and Walters departed at the same time. Before that we were a perfect combination of fight and skill. At least one of them should have stayed for another season. So the ONLY reason we went from beating Teams like Liverpool 6-1, Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea to drawing with 10 Man Morecambe is because we let go 2 players who were in the latter stages of their careers? The ONLY reason??? There were sbsoloutely no other influencing factors? Bat-shit crazy stuff that is.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 20, 2022 21:39:15 GMT
When Pullis left, this Club enjoyed probably close to its best ever Football, players and Results under Hughes. We are not where we are because Pullis left. Ridiculous statement. We are here because of Whelan and Walters departed at the same time. Before that we were a perfect combination of fight and skill. At least one of them should have stayed for another season. They were both finished at the top level. Whelan was part of the midfield that was getting regularly done over. Walters was increasingly injury prone and we had Burnley’s pants down getting £3m for Walters.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 20, 2022 21:44:35 GMT
We are here because of Whelan and Walters departed at the same time. Before that we were a perfect combination of fight and skill. At least one of them should have stayed for another season. They were both finished at the top level. Whelan was part of the midfield that was getting regularly done over. Walters was increasingly injury prone and we had Burnley’s pants down getting £3m for Walters. Think it’s fair to say you may be right but karma was done , they stripped us naked and shafted us with an implement it’s hard to imagine the size and shape of when thy took 7 million for volkes and pinched Collins for £12m
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Post by wykepotter on Aug 20, 2022 21:45:13 GMT
I haven’t heard the interview. I’d be really interested if a journalist was to put these points to MON, about lack of wingbacks and the wide player options he’s got. I think I’ve a morbid fascination in what he’s actually thinking.
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Post by Ron on Aug 20, 2022 21:54:28 GMT
Brown can play wide right, Campbell can play wide. DWP is a winger is he not? Fosu can play wide. Ffs even Clucas has. Im sick to death with the utter contempt with which everyone associated with the club holds the fans. Do they think we are thick? Do they think none of us have any football knowledge? They’re going down a very very dangerous path. I wouldn't say that they think 'we' are thick BUT I reckon that fans do feel that they know more about football then is actually the case. Most of us have never played at a professional level, been involved in the day to day activities of club management or spent much time in the tactics and coaching of players. We may have watched the game for years and, of course, formed opinions and attitudes from that. However, there are spectators (and that is all we are) at sports and many other activities but that doesn't bestow any knowledge or skills beyond that. I appreciate that- but- listen to Clive Clarke post match- he has and to an extent still Is involved and he sees what we see. You don’t need to have been involved in the game to know that we COULD and would have been better playing 4 33 with the players available today. We would have been better balanced and been more of a threat.
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Post by jzime on Aug 20, 2022 22:06:19 GMT
If results haven't picked up by the winter, and if MoN is still here by then, fans who want him out will have to start voting with their feet. It sounds horrible to say it, and the thought kind of saddens me, but it is just a material reality. The board can ignore fan discontentment and chants against the manager from the stands if they like; they won't be able to ignore attendances dipping to 15k or whatever.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 20, 2022 22:23:12 GMT
If results haven't picked up by the winter, and if MoN is still here by then, fans who want him out will have to start voting with their feet. It sounds horrible to say it, and the thought kind of saddens me, but it is just a material reality. The board can ignore fan discontentment and chants against the manager from the stands if they like; they won't be able to ignore attendances dipping to 15k or whatever. I was surprised at the empty seats today, there is a real apathy about the place.
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Post by jnb14 on Aug 20, 2022 22:26:37 GMT
If results haven't picked up by the winter, and if MoN is still here by then, fans who want him out will have to start voting with their feet. It sounds horrible to say it, and the thought kind of saddens me, but it is just a material reality. The board can ignore fan discontentment and chants against the manager from the stands if they like; they won't be able to ignore attendances dipping to 15k or whatever. I was surprised at the empty seats today, there is a real apathy about the place. Rafa Benitez is free. (Smiley thing)
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Post by marylandstoke on Aug 20, 2022 23:00:53 GMT
So, just to help my mathematics. In a cash strapped FFP situation, in a position where it seems the answer is we can’t afford the manager, we will resolve this but bringing in (help me here) two or three executives (insert wage here) above the manager? How? Who? Free? I didn’t say I had the answers to how to achieve it, but yeah you’re right let’s not try and change anything. It’s bound to sort itself out with the current set up. 👍🏻 Yeah. See how you got your name now.
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Post by sheds1862 on Aug 20, 2022 23:13:51 GMT
If results haven't picked up by the winter, and if MoN is still here by then, fans who want him out will have to start voting with their feet. It sounds horrible to say it, and the thought kind of saddens me, but it is just a material reality. The board can ignore fan discontentment and chants against the manager from the stands if they like; they won't be able to ignore attendances dipping to 15k or whatever. I was surprised at the empty seats today, there is a real apathy about the place. Surprised? It's been like that for ages. Club manufactures attendances to suit.
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Post by jhtstokie on Aug 20, 2022 23:23:45 GMT
Like Groundhog Day his interviews, same old shite churned out every week “dominant and then we lose a poor goal”. Sick to the back teeth of hearing it now, boring hell.
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Post by AlanHansen on Aug 20, 2022 23:25:21 GMT
If results haven't picked up by the winter, and if MoN is still here by then, fans who want him out will have to start voting with their feet. It sounds horrible to say it, and the thought kind of saddens me, but it is just a material reality. The board can ignore fan discontentment and chants against the manager from the stands if they like; they won't be able to ignore attendances dipping to 15k or whatever. What earth do you live on? Jesus wept, the winter, if this shit show goes on that long I'll implode. Get the clown gone now.
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Post by wilcopotter on Aug 21, 2022 0:11:34 GMT
Does he really give a shite? Last few months of his contract, enough earned to to retire on. There’s no turnabout imminent, pay him off and get someone in to get a tune out this very capable squad 👍
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 21, 2022 0:14:44 GMT
If results haven't picked up by the winter, and if MoN is still here by then, fans who want him out will have to start voting with their feet. It sounds horrible to say it, and the thought kind of saddens me, but it is just a material reality. The board can ignore fan discontentment and chants against the manager from the stands if they like; they won't be able to ignore attendances dipping to 15k or whatever. What earth do you live on? Jesus wept, the winter, if this shit show goes on that long I'll implode. Get the clown gone now. I seriously doubt the board will act before about November, and even then it won’t be a given unless we’re in critical danger of relegation
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Post by firfuxache on Aug 21, 2022 6:47:57 GMT
I didn’t say I had the answers to how to achieve it, but yeah you’re right let’s not try and change anything. It’s bound to sort itself out with the current set up. 👍🏻 Yeah. See how you got your name now. Please enlighten us then, oh wise one.
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Post by raythesailor on Aug 21, 2022 9:12:32 GMT
“We are only five games in !” That’s FIFTEEN POINTS. Try saying that at the end of the season with five games to go and we need sixteen points !!☹️
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Post by onefatcopper on Aug 21, 2022 11:04:04 GMT
We are here because of Whelan and Walters departed at the same time. Before that we were a perfect combination of fight and skill. At least one of them should have stayed for another season. They were both finished at the top level. Whelan was part of the midfield that was getting regularly done over. Walters was increasingly injury prone and we had Burnley’s pants down getting £3m for Walters. Didn’t Whelan join Aston Villa when he left us ? The same Aston Villa side that would stir from a terrible start and gain promotion to the Premier League ? And isn’t Whelan still performing at a level within the football league that only last season his latest club gained promotion ? Not bad for a midfielder who was constantly getting done over ! A invaluable player to have in your team and a invaluable person for youngsters to aspire to and to learn from, if their was one ex player that you would want in your Coaching setup it would have been Whelan.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 21, 2022 11:19:45 GMT
They were both finished at the top level. Whelan was part of the midfield that was getting regularly done over. Walters was increasingly injury prone and we had Burnley’s pants down getting £3m for Walters. Didn’t Whelan join Aston Villa when he left us ? The same Aston Villa side that would stir from a terrible start and gain promotion to the Premier League ? And isn’t Whelan still performing at a level within the football league that only last season his latest club gained promotion ? Not bad for a midfielder who was constantly getting done over ! A invaluable player to have in your team and a invaluable person for youngsters to aspire to and to learn from, if their was one ex player that you would want in your Coaching setup it would have been Whelan. Id take him and Barton as assistant and manager right now m if we don’t go down singing we might as well go down fighting as opposed to drifting down on a sea of apathy and meloncholy
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2022 11:19:47 GMT
Fosu looks like a winger and DWP can play there. So that makes Campbell DWP Fosu Brown Tymon Mccaron Who can all play ‘out wide’ He has all the gear just no idea!
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 21, 2022 11:25:02 GMT
Did he actually say that?! Wow… he is virtually inviting the Board to sack him. The board have told the team/squad/management team to ignore "the outside noise" from the fans. In other words, plod on and stay in this division this season, that is the aim because next season we can spend. Just shows how much we as fans are valued. That is fact. Carries on like this and the board won't have a choice to make, the fans will do it for them.
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Post by jukeboxjury on Aug 21, 2022 11:39:29 GMT
I was astonished to hear him say about a top 2 finish is out of his remit That comment alone after 5 games should be enough to seal his fate. The problem goes much deeper than MON Nathan Jones has done ok again at Luton with little or no funding, although his obsession with his formation was puzzling especially with the players he had at the time. Rowett also continues to be competitive with a small budget. MON has changed and swapped formations over the last 3 seasons and we should have had a clear plan at the start of the season, including the friendlies. The friendlies were the 1st indication that something was not right with this system and another disaster in the Carabou cup should have set off alarm bells. Its plain to see and hear that the fans are not happy with this system and with his negativity. We cannot put more than 2 results together and as the attendance drops maybe just maybe the owners will see that MON is not capable of steering this team into the prem. Hope Im proved wrong.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 22, 2022 7:04:40 GMT
They were both finished at the top level. Whelan was part of the midfield that was getting regularly done over. Walters was increasingly injury prone and we had Burnley’s pants down getting £3m for Walters. Didn’t Whelan join Aston Villa when he left us ? The same Aston Villa side that would stir from a terrible start and gain promotion to the Premier League ? And isn’t Whelan still performing at a level within the football league that only last season his latest club gained promotion ? Not bad for a midfielder who was constantly getting done over ! A invaluable player to have in your team and a invaluable person for youngsters to aspire to and to learn from, if their was one ex player that you would want in your Coaching setup it would have been Whelan. That's right, he was finished at the top level and so had to drop down one. The right move for all parties. Last season he was a squad player at a League 2 club. Great he's still playing but not really relevant one way or the other. He was still getting done over, we were frequently getting walloped and the midfield was left eating the dust of their opponents frequently, if you recall.
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Post by onefatcopper on Aug 22, 2022 12:38:32 GMT
Didn’t Whelan join Aston Villa when he left us ? The same Aston Villa side that would stir from a terrible start and gain promotion to the Premier League ? And isn’t Whelan still performing at a level within the football league that only last season his latest club gained promotion ? Not bad for a midfielder who was constantly getting done over ! A invaluable player to have in your team and a invaluable person for youngsters to aspire to and to learn from, if their was one ex player that you would want in your Coaching setup it would have been Whelan. That's right, he was finished at the top level and so had to drop down one. The right move for all parties. Last season he was a squad player at a League 2 club. Great he's still playing but not really relevant one way or the other. He was still getting done over, we were frequently getting walloped and the midfield was left eating the dust of their opponents frequently, if you recall. Well I think it’s a testament to how Whelan handles himself as a person and not only as a player that he’s still rolling on after all these years, I don’t think he’s had any financial problems so he must be doing it for the love of the game, and in the engine room of the team where you soon get found out the lower you drop down the leagues. As a person, well just read what fellow teammates and opponents think about him and what high esteem he is held in. All I know is that when Whelan and Walters walked out of the door, they took the spirit of the team with them.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 22, 2022 12:44:03 GMT
That's right, he was finished at the top level and so had to drop down one. The right move for all parties. Last season he was a squad player at a League 2 club. Great he's still playing but not really relevant one way or the other. He was still getting done over, we were frequently getting walloped and the midfield was left eating the dust of their opponents frequently, if you recall. Well I think it’s a testament to how Whelan handles himself as a person and not only as a player that he’s still rolling on after all these years, I don’t think he’s had any financial problems so he must be doing it for the love of the game, and in the engine room of the team where you soon get found out the lower you drop down the leagues. As a person, well just read what fellow teammates and opponents think about him and what high esteem he is held in. All I know is that when Whelan and Walters walked out of the door, they took the spirit of the team with them. The malaise had set in long before they left. No question that they're top professionals, but the problem was not adequately replacing them, not letting them go. Why Hughes thought an even more knackered Darren Fletcher was the solution is unfathomable.
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