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Post by telfordstokie on Aug 20, 2022 18:40:46 GMT
We’re at the ‘literally anyone would be better than this guy’ stage of proceedings that Nathan Jones reached. No, I won't have that. Holden would most likely be worse. Ha - suspect we may soon be about to find out!
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Post by toppercorner on Aug 20, 2022 18:41:17 GMT
Just utter arse gravy!!! Can’t play 4 at the back because we have no wingers did it for me. The bloke is clueless aren't Fosu and DWP wingers?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 20, 2022 18:46:23 GMT
Just utter arse gravy!!! Can’t play 4 at the back because we have no wingers did it for me. The bloke is clueless aren't Fosu and DWP wingers? Absolutely and Tymon and McCarron are wide players. Brown and Campbell play best when being wide forwards. You Don’t need out and out wingers to play 433. Just 3 forwards, one up the middle and one each side. The bloke is just making terrible excuses
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Post by chiswickpotter on Aug 20, 2022 18:52:21 GMT
The board have told the team/squad/management team to ignore "the outside noise" from the fans. In other words, plod on and stay in this division this season, that is the aim because next season we can spend. Just shows how much we as fans are valued. That is fact. Are you stating this as a fact or just surmising It is true we will have a lot more flexibility to spend next season but surely we have a competitive squad now?
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Post by Ron on Aug 20, 2022 19:00:47 GMT
Brown can play wide right, Campbell can play wide. DWP is a winger is he not? Fosu can play wide. Ffs even Clucas has.
Im sick to death with the utter contempt with which everyone associated with the club holds the fans.
Do they think we are thick? Do they think none of us have any football knowledge?
They’re going down a very very dangerous path.
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Post by onefatcopper on Aug 20, 2022 19:11:16 GMT
I honestly think he wants to be sacked, to put him out of his misery. The board has to act now, ffs! If I have said it once, I’ve said it a thousand times we don’t have the money to pay him off and replace him with someone better, without running into more FFP sanctions. However, it may come to that if things don’t show signs of improvement after 10 games. We do have some good players, notwithstanding that five of the best are injured, but we have a poor team that is very, very slow at the back and manager that does not seem to know what he’s doing. I don’t think changing to four at the back will back make much difference but he has to try it because three definitely isn’t working and all the other teams know it. This is probably against the rules and the spirit of the game but Derby County have rewritten them anyway, Stoke City are part of the Bet365 empire, so what if Bet365 decided that they required a specialist to head a new dedicated footballing futures and marketing trends team. Meanwhile unknown to Denise and her minions there’s dark clouds gathering over at Bet365s sports and recreational club (Stoke City) the staff there are bemused and disillusioned with a management team that has run out of ideas and motivation. Immediately Denise’s business head kicks into action by placing the shambling wreck of a manager on gardening leave until the conclusion of his contract and inserts her new head of football futures and marketing trends into the hot seat as a troubleshooter. Now this new head of football futures and marketing trends could be anyone that the purse of Bet365 could buy because they are not limited with the burden of FFP !
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Post by firfuxache on Aug 20, 2022 19:34:55 GMT
With the way each game pans out it’s obvious that we have literally gone full circle with O’Neil. We had the headless chicken approach with Jones “not having the player” to play his system despite him bringing in plenty of his own recruits. 3 years on and it’s deja-vu.
We need a total overhaul as a club and an entity. We have no ethos, no philosophy, no drive. We need to change the model of the club totally.
Jon Coates should be in charge if signing cheques for wages and transfers only.
We need a Chief Financial Officer to count the beans, a chief operating officer to oversee the day to day of the business side of the club, a Director of Football to give a purpose and direction to the team and a head coach who is hands on with day to day training. All the rest should fit in around these key roles and no one should be meddling in areas that don’t concern them.
Unless there is a serious wholesale change in direction and approach we’re going nowhere. We’re light years behind other clubs in their approach to the modern era.
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 20, 2022 19:36:56 GMT
No fullbacks is his excuse for playing WBs. What the fuck is he on? We do have 4 high class options up front (2 Campbell and Brown) who are very comfortable in the wide roles yet because of his mad obsession with 5 at the back we can only field 2 of these at time. Where is he proposing to play Nick Powell?
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Post by marylandstoke on Aug 20, 2022 19:44:32 GMT
With the way each game pans out it’s obvious that we have literally gone full circle with O’Neil. We had the headless chicken approach with Jones “not having the player” to play his system despite him bringing in plenty of his own recruits. 3 years on and it’s deja-vu. We need a total overhaul as a club and an entity. We have no ethos, no philosophy, no drive. We need to change the model of the club totally. Jon Coates should be in charge if signing cheques for wages and transfers only. We need a Chief Financial Officer to count the beans, a chief operating officer to oversee the day to day of the business side of the club, a Director of Football to give a purpose and direction to the team and a head coach who is hands on with day to day training. All the rest should fit in around these key roles and no one should be meddling in areas that don’t concern them. Unless there is a serious wholesale change in direction and approach we’re going nowhere. We’re light years behind other clubs in their approach to the modern era. So, just to help my mathematics. In a cash strapped FFP situation, in a position where it seems the answer is we can’t afford the manager, we will resolve this but bringing in (help me here) two or three executives (insert wage here) above the manager? How? Who? Free?
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Post by firfuxache on Aug 20, 2022 20:00:25 GMT
With the way each game pans out it’s obvious that we have literally gone full circle with O’Neil. We had the headless chicken approach with Jones “not having the player” to play his system despite him bringing in plenty of his own recruits. 3 years on and it’s deja-vu. We need a total overhaul as a club and an entity. We have no ethos, no philosophy, no drive. We need to change the model of the club totally. Jon Coates should be in charge if signing cheques for wages and transfers only. We need a Chief Financial Officer to count the beans, a chief operating officer to oversee the day to day of the business side of the club, a Director of Football to give a purpose and direction to the team and a head coach who is hands on with day to day training. All the rest should fit in around these key roles and no one should be meddling in areas that don’t concern them. Unless there is a serious wholesale change in direction and approach we’re going nowhere. We’re light years behind other clubs in their approach to the modern era. So, just to help my mathematics. In a cash strapped FFP situation, in a position where it seems the answer is we can’t afford the manager, we will resolve this but bringing in (help me here) two or three executives (insert wage here) above the manager? How? Who? Free? I didn’t say I had the answers to how to achieve it, but yeah you’re right let’s not try and change anything. It’s bound to sort itself out with the current set up. 👍🏻
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Aug 20, 2022 20:01:57 GMT
O'Neil is really pissing me off now with this bullshit about not having the players to play 4 at the back!!!
Without any actual wing-backs in the side at the moment (of which we primarily only have one), 4 at the back would have been the most sensible formation, with.... Fox in his natural position at left back... Wilmot deputising at right back... Campbell/Fosu, Delap and Brown up front, as apposed to the wingback formation with nothing coming down the flanks, and no service to the front men!!!
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Post by bornscfcdiescfc on Aug 20, 2022 20:08:49 GMT
Why the fuck didnt he buy wingers if he knew if we played 442 we would need them
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Post by prettything on Aug 20, 2022 20:27:20 GMT
With the way each game pans out it’s obvious that we have literally gone full circle with O’Neil. We had the headless chicken approach with Jones “not having the player” to play his system despite him bringing in plenty of his own recruits. 3 years on and it’s deja-vu. We need a total overhaul as a club and an entity. We have no ethos, no philosophy, no drive. We need to change the model of the club totally. Jon Coates should be in charge if signing cheques for wages and transfers only. We need a Chief Financial Officer to count the beans, a chief operating officer to oversee the day to day of the business side of the club, a Director of Football to give a purpose and direction to the team and a head coach who is hands on with day to day training. All the rest should fit in around these key roles and no one should be meddling in areas that don’t concern them. Unless there is a serious wholesale change in direction and approach we’re going nowhere. We’re light years behind other clubs in their approach to the modern era. Disagree with you in part. Love the approach with the youth. Can’t argue with promoting some of them to the first team. That part seems to be bearing fruit. In my opinion, we have recruited well,especially with the restrictions we have been under. It doesn’t need wholesale changes. It not like we are in the same place as we were in 97, when we had no bankable assets, and our only hope was Dean Crowe and Paul Conner. We have players that teams like Sunderland could only dream of. We have one more year until we can invest again, but we are underperforming with the players we have. I don’t believe Michael O Neil doesn’t know football. I’m impressed with his long term vision, I just don’t believe he can do it on the pitch. He is highly intelligent and understands the game, but tactically he doesn’t have the skills to out think the opposition at this level. He is trapped in a predicament that he has made for himself. Under Pulis there was continuous improvement when he took over. There was criticism for the football played, but there was a clear league position improvement in every season we finished at this level. He knew where we were weak, and fought for the funds to improve on these deficiencies. O Neil believes in youth and recognises the importance of it with the realities of FFP,which pretty much puts everyone on an even keel, minus those clubs with parachute payments. I would like to see him as a director of football once he has been relieved of his duties. He definitely has something to offer, just not on the touch line.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 20, 2022 20:35:31 GMT
We’re not a team that’s gonna finish in the top 2…… wow That should be the ambition of every team HE HAS TO GO I was amazed he said that we have no chance of finishing in the top 2 Great attitude, no wonder this team is going nowhere I didn’t hear the interview. If he said we’d finish in the top 2 what would the reaction of the supporters be?
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Post by hardcastle on Aug 20, 2022 20:36:51 GMT
Did he actually say that?! Wow… he is virtually inviting the Board to sack him. The board have told the team/squad/management team to ignore "the outside noise" from the fans. In other words, plod on and stay in this division this season, that is the aim because next season we can spend. Just shows how much we as fans are valued. That is fact. Next season we can spend? Where've you got that from?
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Post by deeside2 on Aug 20, 2022 20:37:57 GMT
He's a complete charlatan who really hasn't got a clue and is literally just making it up as he goes along.
He know's he's totally out of his depth and has been found out, but is supported by the most patient, loyal, and infuriatingly incompetent Board in possibly the entire football pyramid.
We are only going one way with this idiot as manager, down to League One !
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Post by thevoid on Aug 20, 2022 20:40:10 GMT
I was amazed he said that we have no chance of finishing in the top 2 Great attitude, no wonder this team is going nowhere I didn’t hear the interview. If he said we’d finish in the top 2 what would the reaction of the supporters be? What a pointless question
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 20, 2022 20:44:48 GMT
I was amazed he said that we have no chance of finishing in the top 2 Great attitude, no wonder this team is going nowhere I didn’t hear the interview. If he said we’d finish in the top 2 what would the reaction of the supporters be? It should be the initial target and I honestly think it’s inexcusable if a message like “we’ve got no chance” is getting through to the players. So negative and devoid of any self-belief or ambition, it’s pathetic and very instructive of where we find ourselves under MON.
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Post by Ursemboy on Aug 20, 2022 20:46:56 GMT
Blatantly obvious at the Hearts friendly that 4 at the back is the way forward.
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Post by Old School Stokie on Aug 20, 2022 20:50:13 GMT
There’s a lot on here who are football ignorant and think they know it all. Wait to see where we are at the end of September when team has blended in - that the time to moan to change manager - there are a lot on here who wanted Pulis out and look where we are now
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Post by thevoid on Aug 20, 2022 20:52:27 GMT
I didn’t hear the interview. If he said we’d finish in the top 2 what would the reaction of the supporters be? It should be the initial target and I honestly think it’s inexcusable if a message like “we’ve got no chance” is getting through to the players. So negative and devoid of any self-belief or ambition, it’s pathetic and very instructive of where we find ourselves under MON. It's also not exactly a confidence boost to your players, he's essentially saying that he doesn't rate them good enough to fight for promotion (and he doesn't have to say this even if he thinks it). I doubt any manager would actually say that their team WILL finish top two so early in the season as they'd end up looking like a twat if they didn't (as well as ramping up pressure on themselves).
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 20, 2022 20:53:30 GMT
There’s a lot on here who are football ignorant and think they know it all. Wait to see where we are at the end of September when team has blended in - that the time to moan to change manager - there are a lot on here who wanted Pulis out and look where we are now Ah, this old chestnut.
We should've just made him manager eternal and none of this shit would ever have happened.
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Post by salopian on Aug 20, 2022 20:53:59 GMT
Unreal. We've probably got the best forward line in the league. And he hasn't a clue how use them. Indeed we probably have..... But also one of the worst ( if not worst) negative managers to not to tap in to them!
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Post by thevoid on Aug 20, 2022 20:54:54 GMT
There’s a lot on here who are football ignorant and think they know it all. Wait to see where we are at the end of September when team has blended in - that the time to moan to change manager - there are a lot on here who wanted Pulis out and look where we are now Oh here we go. The higher placed finishes under Hughes being whitewashed again. And Pulis was taking West Brom down.
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Post by wrexhamstokie90 on Aug 20, 2022 20:55:13 GMT
He said we have no wingers or fullbacks does he think we are stupid get gone you 🛎 end
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Post by matelot1996 on Aug 20, 2022 20:56:12 GMT
There’s a lot on here who are football ignorant and think they know it all. Wait to see where we are at the end of September when team has blended in - that the time to moan to change manager - there are a lot on here who wanted Pulis out and look where we are now When Pullis left, this Club enjoyed probably close to its best ever Football, players and Results under Hughes. We are not where we are because Pullis left. Ridiculous statement.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 20, 2022 21:04:43 GMT
I didn’t hear the interview. If he said we’d finish in the top 2 what would the reaction of the supporters be? What a pointless question It would be wouldn’t it?
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Post by baystokie on Aug 20, 2022 21:05:19 GMT
Brown can play wide right, Campbell can play wide. DWP is a winger is he not? Fosu can play wide. Ffs even Clucas has. Im sick to death with the utter contempt with which everyone associated with the club holds the fans. Do they think we are thick? Do they think none of us have any football knowledge? They’re going down a very very dangerous path. I wouldn't say that they think 'we' are thick BUT I reckon that fans do feel that they know more about football then is actually the case. Most of us have never played at a professional level, been involved in the day to day activities of club management or spent much time in the tactics and coaching of players. We may have watched the game for years and, of course, formed opinions and attitudes from that. However, there are spectators (and that is all we are) at sports and many other activities but that doesn't bestow any knowledge or skills beyond that.
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 20, 2022 21:06:21 GMT
1 nil down at home at half time to recently promoted Sunderland anchored by D. Batth, I was expecting us to come out second half all fired up and tear into them. Instead we were inexplicably worse 🪓🪓🪓🪓🪓🪓🪓🪓🪓🪓🪓 We're always worse second half, I haven't got a clue what MON says to the team at half time but we are always a fucking shambles second half.
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 20, 2022 21:06:29 GMT
There’s a lot on here who are football ignorant and think they know it all. Wait to see where we are at the end of September when team has blended in - that the time to moan to change manager - there are a lot on here who wanted Pulis out and look where we are now Pretty ironic to call other people football ignorant and then come out with the Pulis shite.
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