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Post by thevoid on Aug 17, 2022 11:34:59 GMT
I've seen this movie before You must have really liked it then! It's very rare for a sequel to outperform the original but you never know
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Post by iglugluk on Aug 17, 2022 11:39:38 GMT
You must have really liked it then! It's very rare for a sequel to outperform the original but you never know Indeed .. Mad Max 2 being the exception that proves the rule
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Post by Silkystoke on Aug 17, 2022 11:44:51 GMT
Is this guy match fit or not, the chances of him playing 10/20/30 mins are good or not ..??? Maybe they wait till Sunderland and he can start with Delap ..
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 17, 2022 11:46:57 GMT
FFP allows teams without our resources to compete with us and since we sacked Rowett has stopped us from taking advantage of our relative wealth. In other words it’s levelled the playing field and we’ve lacked the nous on the field and off it where they haven’t. It's disrupted our ability to incrementally improve a stable squad - up to this point we've been continually replacing experienced first team players with mainly youngsters and loanees while those clubs not knackered by an unaffordable wage bill have been able to build on stable foundations. It's taken a remarkable amount of nous to do what we have done - other clubs in this situation have sunk far lower than we have. In the Dark Ages kings used to get sacrificed when the crops failed in the belief they were the root cause of the problem. Sacking football managers is the modern day equivalent.
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Post by nott1 on Aug 17, 2022 11:48:52 GMT
You must have really liked it then! It's very rare for a sequel to outperform the original but you never know No it's the original if you've seen it before, the sequel would be a different version!
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Post by nott1 on Aug 17, 2022 11:50:23 GMT
Is this guy match fit or not, the chances of him playing 10/20/30 mins are good or not ..??? Maybe they wait till Sunderland and he can start with Delap .. He would be nowhere near their bench last match if not.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 17, 2022 11:53:53 GMT
In other words it’s levelled the playing field and we’ve lacked the nous on the field and off it where they haven’t. It's disrupted our ability to incrementally improve a stable squad - up to this point we've been continually replacing experienced first team players with mainly youngsters and loanees while those clubs not knackered by an unaffordable wage bill have been able to build on stable foundations. It's taken a remarkable amount of nous to do what we have done - other clubs in this situation have sunk far lower than we have. In the Dark Ages kings used to get sacrificed when the crops failed in the belief they were the root cause of the problem. Sacking football managers is the modern day equivalent. Not one solitary manager we've sacked in recent times didn't 100% deserve it. It really isn't a question of them being the 'root cause' of the problem, the two aren't mutually exclusive. In our case there's our situation, there's the owners and their lack of vision/imagination, and there's the manager. He's done some good work, absolutely, but he cannot be absolved of any blame given his approach, game management and muddled recruitment. I don't think changing now, having been allowed to bring in another raft of players, is a good idea, but there really are zero excuses left for him now if things don't improve quickly.
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Post by Silkystoke on Aug 17, 2022 12:07:41 GMT
Is this guy match fit or not, the chances of him playing 10/20/30 mins are good or not ..??? Maybe they wait till Sunderland and he can start with Delap .. He would be nowhere near their bench last match if not. Ok, I’m in France so not updated very often..
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Post by Pirate on Aug 17, 2022 12:10:07 GMT
It's disrupted our ability to incrementally improve a stable squad - up to this point we've been continually replacing experienced first team players with mainly youngsters and loanees while those clubs not knackered by an unaffordable wage bill have been able to build on stable foundations. It's taken a remarkable amount of nous to do what we have done - other clubs in this situation have sunk far lower than we have. In the Dark Ages kings used to get sacrificed when the crops failed in the belief they were the root cause of the problem. Sacking football managers is the modern day equivalent. Not one solitary manager we've sacked in recent times didn't 100% deserve it. It really isn't a question of them being the 'root cause' of the problem, the two aren't mutually exclusive. In our case there's our situation, there's the owners and their lack of vision/imagination, and there's the manager. He's done some good work, absolutely, but he cannot be absolved of any blame given his approach, game management and muddled recruitment. I don't think changing now, having been allowed to bring in another raft of players, is a good idea, but there really are zero excuses left for him now if things don't improve quickly. Cant see Delap & Gayle not being the most sought after front 2 in the championship this summer, lays to rest any argument of MON not having a competitive budget, as you say no excuses left
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 12:23:52 GMT
Is this guy match fit or not, the chances of him playing 10/20/30 mins are good or not ..??? Maybe they wait till Sunderland and he can start with Delap .. He has played 90 minutes four times already this season. So he is 100% match fit
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 17, 2022 13:23:36 GMT
Correct - and the only way we could afford them this summer is because we have finally got rid of our high earners - we couldn't have brought in those players in the previous 2 windows because of our wage bill. Which means while Luton have been building a squad we have been dismantling one. Our relative wealth can now start making a difference. We did bring in that profile of player last season though, didn't we? We spent fees that are fairly significant in the current climate for Wilmot and Surridge, neither of whom would have been on a pittance. Would imagine Vrancic was on a competitive wage as well. Then there's whatever the loan fee/wage contribution there'd have been towards Sawyers/Ostigard/Sima and later JPB/Maja and Jagielka's wages. We did mate but don't forget we had the Collins money to off set some of them, I've said before I don't think its a case of him not being backed but he's had to get players out to free up wages for incoming players. I also agree that this season is completely on him and no excuses.
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Post by iamstokie on Aug 17, 2022 13:26:16 GMT
You've missed the point. I'm not criticising the players- without Baker especially we'd have been a lot closer to the trapdoor than we were. I'm criticising the manager's ability to use these resources (far better resources than most on the division not on parachute payments) to garner an upturn in results. As someone else said, he's like an old fashioned chef who doesn't know how to use exotic ingredients. Wait and see! We’ve seen the last 2 1/2 years , he’s clueless
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Post by thevoid on Aug 17, 2022 14:08:21 GMT
It's very rare for a sequel to outperform the original but you never know No it's the original if you've seen it before, the sequal would be a different version! Sorry, have I wondered onto IMDB instead of The Oatcake? You're over-egging the movie analogy now. Oh, and it's sequel not sequal. Anyway, onwards on upwards starting tonight. No excuses now, you've said as much yourself- especially if Delap signs. Any lack of tangible progress rests at the feet of the manager.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 17, 2022 14:11:29 GMT
We did bring in that profile of player last season though, didn't we? We spent fees that are fairly significant in the current climate for Wilmot and Surridge, neither of whom would have been on a pittance. Would imagine Vrancic was on a competitive wage as well. Then there's whatever the loan fee/wage contribution there'd have been towards Sawyers/Ostigard/Sima and later JPB/Maja and Jagielka's wages. We did mate but don't forget we had the Collins money to off set some of them, I've said before I don't think its a case of him not being backed but he's had to get players out to free up wages for incoming players. I also agree that this season is completely on him and no excuses. And that's fair enough, but however the money became available, it's been there for him to use. So we can't really clutch our pearls as some do on here and act like he's pushing a boulder up a hill compared to everyone else.
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Post by georgeberrysafro on Aug 17, 2022 14:24:47 GMT
It's very rare for a sequel to outperform the original but you never know Indeed .. Mad Max 2 being the exception that proves the rule Also The Godfather: Part II
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Post by nott1 on Aug 17, 2022 16:59:36 GMT
We’ve seen the last 2 1/2 years , he’s clueless Bloody marvellous how he can get the most wanted striker in the country when you are clueless......I should look in the mirror to see how clueless looks!
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Post by mrrine on Aug 17, 2022 17:41:07 GMT
Is he any good?
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Post by UNKLE on Aug 17, 2022 20:14:26 GMT
Debate over.
He’s not a fucking wing back!!
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Post by iglugluk on Aug 17, 2022 20:50:09 GMT
No, he's only just been allowed the clear out and get some decent players in......watch us go now! Liking the attitude Notters 👍👍👍👍 Yeah, excellent. Pity the manager lacks a game plan. Tonight's draw whilst ,lucky was a fine example of that fact.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 17, 2022 20:54:19 GMT
We’ve seen the last 2 1/2 years , he’s clueless Bloody marvellous how he can get the most wanted striker in the country when you are clueless......I should look in the mirror to see how clueless looks! Means absolutely nothing. It's like giving a pair of Gucci loafers to a bloke with no legs
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 17, 2022 20:56:58 GMT
I felt sorry for the lad tonight, I’d say he’s wondering what the fuck he’s gotten himself into
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Post by wearepremierleague on Aug 17, 2022 20:58:46 GMT
Not a wing back. Who'd have thought it
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 17, 2022 20:58:49 GMT
Wasn’t great, but wasn’t awful.
Better than Thompson on the other side.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 17, 2022 20:59:34 GMT
Play him as a winger. It’s where he wanted to be: he stood up front for a good chunk and made some good runs and no fucker passed it to him.
Not sure why he subbed him either.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 17, 2022 21:01:08 GMT
MOTM for me. Faded a bit in the second half but at least unlike half the team he looked hungry.
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Post by etebojan on Aug 17, 2022 21:11:11 GMT
I know he's literally been in the building for 24hrs...so obviously needs bedding in and to be played in strongest position. It seems like most people rated him tonight, but i feel like i must have missed something, he even described himself as 'Tricky', don't remember him trying to take on anyone or making any tricksy runs, he kept the ball well enough but yet again seemed to favour turning and playing back to Taylor or Baker
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Post by lordb on Aug 17, 2022 21:40:05 GMT
I know he's literally been in the building for 24hrs...so obviously needs bedding in and to be played in strongest position. It seems like most people rated him tonight, but i feel like i must have missed something, he even described himself as 'Tricky', don't remember him trying to take on anyone or making any tricksy runs, he kept the ball well enough but yet again seemed to favour turning and playing back to Taylor or Baker He tried to make runs first half Clearly a winger
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 17, 2022 21:44:13 GMT
I know he's literally been in the building for 24hrs...so obviously needs bedding in and to be played in strongest position. It seems like most people rated him tonight, but i feel like i must have missed something, he even described himself as 'Tricky', don't remember him trying to take on anyone or making any tricksy runs, he kept the ball well enough but yet again seemed to favour turning and playing back to Taylor or Baker He tried to make runs first half Clearly a winger He's better than Clarke, bit it took an injury to Clarke for the manager to sign him let's not forget.
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Post by RonnieStokie on Aug 17, 2022 21:44:56 GMT
Too slow at closing down and stopping the cross for boro's 2nd. Gave him acres.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 18, 2022 8:50:24 GMT
Watched some clips of him playing on the left for Brentford, with Tymon out for a while, could Fosu play LWB, he can't be any worse than Thompson in that position can he?
Unless O'Niell realises with this injury crisis he needs to go 4 at the back.
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