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Post by stokest5 on Aug 16, 2022 17:31:46 GMT
If you’d bothered listening to the Clarke’s interviews and taking note of his past appearances out on loan instead of listening to some folk on here you’d see what his main position is. What I bothered to do was check where he has played before joining us, does that help. Well obviously not no.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 16, 2022 17:36:29 GMT
What I bothered to do was check where he has played before joining us, does that help. Well obviously not no. Not sure how I can help you so, maybe apply for a job as a fact checker with Facebook?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2022 17:36:35 GMT
A loan to provide cover for the loan. Joke of a manager. If we had signed him on a free, would that make him less of a joke? If Fosu can play left wing and right wing back, perhaps he can even fill in at lwb in a pinch? Hasn’t this board just been full of people complaining that we don’t have options at rwb? Now we do. He’s played 4 games as a wing back in his career. Play the back up if you think he’s good enough which he clearly did or he wouldn’t have said he was happy for him to be the back up.
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 16, 2022 17:50:23 GMT
If we had signed him on a free, would that make him less of a joke? If Fosu can play left wing and right wing back, perhaps he can even fill in at lwb in a pinch? Hasn’t this board just been full of people complaining that we don’t have options at rwb? Now we do. He’s played 4 games as a wing back in his career. Play the back up if you think he’s good enough which he clearly did or he wouldn’t have said he was happy for him to be the back up. Players change positions all the time, look at Perisic. I’m confused, are you frustrated that we don’t have good enough cover and we’ve tried now to rectify an issue that you and others have made, or that we do have good enough cover and therefore didn’t need someone else to come in?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 16, 2022 17:53:53 GMT
He’s played 4 games as a wing back in his career. Play the back up if you think he’s good enough which he clearly did or he wouldn’t have said he was happy for him to be the back up. Players change positions all the time, look at Perisic. I’m confused, are you frustrated that we don’t have good enough cover and we’ve tried now to rectify an issue that you and others have made, or that we do have good enough cover and therefore didn’t need someone else to come in? I hope this guy smashes it and in isolation and given the circumstances it appears to be the best possible solution however for me the question is how did we end up here. It wasn’t as if many posters here weren’t highlighting the exposure we’ve been facing in that position for ages
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2022 17:54:54 GMT
He’s played 4 games as a wing back in his career. Play the back up if you think he’s good enough which he clearly did or he wouldn’t have said he was happy for him to be the back up. Players change positions all the time, look at Perisic. I’m confused, are you frustrated that we don’t have good enough cover and we’ve tried now to rectify an issue that you and others have made, or that we do have good enough cover and therefore didn’t need someone else to come in? It’s a waste of a loan to cover a short term injury. It’s messy thinking and a waste of money when we have 2 right backs he deemed good enough. And one on loan who is better than all 3. We have to send Sparrow out on loan now.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2022 17:56:06 GMT
Players change positions all the time, look at Perisic. I’m confused, are you frustrated that we don’t have good enough cover and we’ve tried now to rectify an issue that you and others have made, or that we do have good enough cover and therefore didn’t need someone else to come in? I hope this guy smashes it and in isolation and given the circumstances it appears to be the best possible solution however for me the question is how did we end up here. It wasn’t as if many posters here weren’t highlighting the exposure we’ve been facing in that position for ages And it wasn’t like MON was happy with his options. Why give Duhaney a new deal? Why say on the meet the manager that Sparrow is the back up right back? It’s so muddled.
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 16, 2022 17:57:49 GMT
Players change positions all the time, look at Perisic. I’m confused, are you frustrated that we don’t have good enough cover and we’ve tried now to rectify an issue that you and others have made, or that we do have good enough cover and therefore didn’t need someone else to come in? It’s a waste of a loan to cover a short term injury. It’s messy thinking and a waste of money when we have 2 right backs he deemed good enough. And one on loan who is better than all 3. We have to send Sparrow out on loan now. We have a system, rightly or wrongly, that is not going to change. One that is played by many of the teams in the league. I don’t particularly like it, but it’s the system he’s going for. If the board won’t sack him, then he needs to have players at his disposal to play the system. I’ve read a lot of people on here state that we need more wing backs. It seems he’s brought in someone he believes will play that role. Sparrow definitely does need a loan, it would be interesting to see what division he is able to attract. Edit - he was the back up. He played the other day. Managers say these things all the time because if he went out and said “Sparrow isn’t good enough, we need another player in” and we failed to get someone in, it wouldn’t do Sparrow’s confidence any good.
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Post by gawa on Aug 16, 2022 18:06:36 GMT
If we had signed him on a free, would that make him less of a joke? If Fosu can play left wing and right wing back, perhaps he can even fill in at lwb in a pinch? Hasn’t this board just been full of people complaining that we don’t have options at rwb? Now we do. He’s played 4 games as a wing back in his career. Play the back up if you think he’s good enough which he clearly did or he wouldn’t have said he was happy for him to be the back up. Did he say he was "happy for Sparrow to be back up"? Can you provide the source please? I believe its the Q&A session which you refer to. Here's a quote from the thread discussing that I was there last night, first off I’ve just read on this thread about Tom Sparrow, that has been quoted wrong, he said that Sparrow plus other youth players have created ‘their own pathway’ to the first team squad. On recruiting he feels there are two areas he is wishing to improve for the first team (not squad), and did say would consider another attacking player. I felt the all the interviews were open and honest, there were some questions asked about under performing especially games last season. Personally I didn’t think John Coates or MON, dismissed any negative questions or their thoughts on the frustrations from supporters. Simon King was more reference the bridge between the fans and commercial business. There was mention of a potential fan zone but is looking at ideas currently, safe standing, a singing section. Plus the money spent on the improvements which is 6million for this season & in total 20million over 5 years. As a supporter I go with an open mind how we are this season, John Coates stated that minimum requirements should be top 6, plus his frustrations with PNS (FFP). In all honesty two days before the season starts, I think it was good of the them all to run this. Here's what he did say about Sparrow: "Tom Sparrow is a good example for how that pathway looks. He probably wasn't the one we saw coming through from that age group of players but he was the one who when we brought him up to train with the first team did himself the most justice. It was almost like, 'I'm not going back to train with the 23s.' Every time he came up he trained extremely well. Then he took that forward and he got his chance. Now he still has to force his way into the team but he's taken the first step and now he's a daily player, with the first team all the time and he's growing in confidence. We'll have a decision to make with Tom and whether a loan will work for him or not work for him."
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Aug 16, 2022 18:08:38 GMT
He’s played 4 games as a wing back in his career. Play the back up if you think he’s good enough which he clearly did or he wouldn’t have said he was happy for him to be the back up. Did he say he was "happy for Sparrow to be back up"? Can you provide the source please? I believe its the Q&A session which you refer to. Here's a quote from the thread discussing that I was there last night, first off I’ve just read on this thread about Tom Sparrow, that has been quoted wrong, he said that Sparrow plus other youth players have created ‘their own pathway’ to the first team squad. On recruiting he feels there are two areas he is wishing to improve for the first team (not squad), and did say would consider another attacking player. I felt the all the interviews were open and honest, there were some questions asked about under performing especially games last season. Personally I didn’t think John Coates or MON, dismissed any negative questions or their thoughts on the frustrations from supporters. Simon King was more reference the bridge between the fans and commercial business. There was mention of a potential fan zone but is looking at ideas currently, safe standing, a singing section. Plus the money spent on the improvements which is 6million for this season & in total 20million over 5 years. As a supporter I go with an open mind how we are this season, John Coates stated that minimum requirements should be top 6, plus his frustrations with PNS (FFP). In all honesty two days before the season starts, I think it was good of the them all to run this. Here's what he did say about Sparrow: "Tom Sparrow is a good example for how that pathway looks. He probably wasn't the one we saw coming through from that age group of players but he was the one who when we brought him up to train with the first team did himself the most justice. It was almost like, 'I'm not going back to train with the 23s.' Every time he came up he trained extremely well. Then he took that forward and he got his chance. Now he still has to force his way into the team but he's taken the first step and now he's a daily player, with the first team all the time and he's growing in confidence. We'll have a decision to make with Tom and whether a loan will work for him or not work for him." Well doesn’t that make it even more concerning? If it wasn’t Sparrow as cover who was it?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 16, 2022 18:09:46 GMT
It’s a waste of a loan to cover a short term injury. It’s messy thinking and a waste of money when we have 2 right backs he deemed good enough. And one on loan who is better than all 3. We have to send Sparrow out on loan now. We have a system, rightly or wrongly, that is not going to change. One that is played by many of the teams in the league. I don’t particularly like it, but it’s the system he’s going for. If the board won’t sack him, then he needs to have players at his disposal to play the system. I’ve read a lot of people on here state that we need more wing backs. It seems he’s brought in someone he believes will play that role. Sparrow definitely does need a loan, it would be interesting to see what division he is able to attract. Edit - he was the back up. He played the other day. Managers say these things all the time because if he went out and said “Sparrow isn’t good enough, we need another player in” and we failed to get someone in, it wouldn’t do Sparrow’s confidence any good. He meant it though. We wouldn’t be going through this whole charade of turning him into something he isn’t. The panic button has been pressed.
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Post by jokker on Aug 16, 2022 18:37:23 GMT
Players change positions all the time, look at Perisic. I’m confused, are you frustrated that we don’t have good enough cover and we’ve tried now to rectify an issue that you and others have made, or that we do have good enough cover and therefore didn’t need someone else to come in? It’s a waste of a loan to cover a short term injury. It’s messy thinking and a waste of money when we have 2 right backs he deemed good enough. And one on loan who is better than all 3. We have to send Sparrow out on loan now. Unless we play him in midfield...not holding my breath for when though.
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Post by jokker on Aug 16, 2022 18:44:52 GMT
A loan to provide cover for the loan. Joke of a manager. If we had signed him on a free, would that make him less of a joke? If Fosu can play left wing and right wing back, perhaps he can even fill in at lwb in a pinch? Hasn’t this board just been full of people complaining that we don’t have options at rwb? Now we do. The question isn't whether he's the Paul Madeley of the present day, but whether he can do a good job when called upon. He apparently played against us twice the season bees were promoted, but I can't recall seeing him. Possibly helped by the fact that we won both matches. I noticed that he thinks Stoke has a great team, great players, great manager, well we once did, but I can't recall the last time we had all those things...it might have been before he was born.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 16, 2022 19:18:43 GMT
I have a feeling this will be an important signing if he can match Tymon from the other wing. Apparently very pacey and he can get up and down the wing all day. We really needed some wingplay from the right and I’m sorry MON excuslings but Clarke was never going to provide that. Never seen the new bloke but I hope he’s got some of the attributes needed to create from the right like Tymon does from the left. You don’t need to be a world beater Josh has got plenty to improve on but Clarke was far closer to being a defender than an attacker and it was never going to satisfy me.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 16, 2022 19:21:58 GMT
Well done! I do like to lay little traps to ensure that the pupils sitting at the back of the class are still awake! Well spotted Wilson - I wondered who'd be the first to notice that! On a further nuance. There's no such thing as an English passport at the moment. But give it time (albeit not while I am on still this planet)... Fuk me are you dying imminently I don’t think it’ll be too long the way things are shaping up. I don’t necessarily agree with the devolved administrations but there is simply no respect given, it’s not tenable.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 16, 2022 19:24:31 GMT
He’s played 4 games as a wing back in his career. Play the back up if you think he’s good enough which he clearly did or he wouldn’t have said he was happy for him to be the back up. Players change positions all the time, look at Perisic. I’m confused, are you frustrated that we don’t have good enough cover and we’ve tried now to rectify an issue that you and others have made, or that we do have good enough cover and therefore didn’t need someone else to come in? I didn’t think the first choice was an attacking enough option so I’m happier with Tofu or whatever his name is at least until I see him.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 16, 2022 19:27:14 GMT
Players change positions all the time, look at Perisic. I’m confused, are you frustrated that we don’t have good enough cover and we’ve tried now to rectify an issue that you and others have made, or that we do have good enough cover and therefore didn’t need someone else to come in? I didn’t think the first choice was an attacking enough option so I’m happier with Tofu or whatever his name is at least until I see him. Is that an example of the 'respect' you mentioned in your post above?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 16, 2022 19:35:09 GMT
I didn’t think the first choice was an attacking enough option so I’m happier with Tofu or whatever his name is at least until I see him. Is that an example of the 'respect' you mentioned in your post above? He’s a footballer on far more money than his ability deserves( how can I say that having not seen him play, easy they all are). He not the designated leader of a democratically elected administration. Don’t you understand the difference? I don’t even know what Tofu is, I thought it might be squeaky cheese but that Haloumi, it’s something strange people eat.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 16, 2022 19:38:47 GMT
“The right player”……..absolutely!!! I wonder how many “right players” have been brought into the club in the last 6/7 years that have contributed to the clubs present predicament? If you believe that any manager having to rely mainly on free agents, inexperienced loan players, young inexperienced players with a couple of relatively low cost signings will have an ideal balance and necessary quality to push for promotion good. I’m a little sceptical but would welcome it. “Generally” in life you get what you pay for………John Ruskin Sounds like John Ruskin ever bought Vokes, Ince, Afobe, Wimmer, Berahino or Ryan Woods. Think he would be reviewing his pearl of wisdom. Bob on. We are precisely where we should be. Concentrate your buying in Poundland and you’ll get Poundland quality, adequate but that’s about it.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 16, 2022 19:44:36 GMT
Sounds like John Ruskin ever bought Vokes, Ince, Afobe, Wimmer, Berahino or Ryan Woods. Think he would be reviewing his pearl of wisdom. Bob on. We are precisely where we should be. Concentrate your buying in Poundland and you’ll get Poundland quality, adequate but that’s about it. We’ve not got a Poundland but providing it sells food I could pretty much guarantee I could assemble a meal from that bargain type store to present a meal that most of the income range would find acceptable and I’m not a chef. Question is can MON do that because he’s a highly rewarded football manager so non of the excuses cut it.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 16, 2022 20:01:55 GMT
A loan to provide cover for the loan. Joke of a manager. And would you like to share how he was supposed to foresee a shin injury picked up in a match? Putting aside the loan to cover a loan thing, MON really should have seen he needed more cover there and his nonsense with Sparrow was never good enough cover, it was poor management and he's very lucky its happened now rather than after the window has shut.
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Post by cvillestokie on Aug 16, 2022 20:24:08 GMT
Is that an example of the 'respect' you mentioned in your post above? He’s a footballer on far more money than his ability deserves( how can I say that having not seen him play, easy they all are). He not the designated leader of a democratically elected administration. Don’t you understand the difference? I don’t even know what Tofu is, I thought it might be squeaky cheese but that Haloumi, it’s something strange people eat. Hm, strange people….or, 1.5 billion Chinese people.
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Post by teanstoke on Aug 16, 2022 20:29:52 GMT
He is unproven in the championship, not match fit so see what he is like at Xmas by then we will be still 16th and season over .
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 16, 2022 20:30:09 GMT
Bob on. We are precisely where we should be. Concentrate your buying in Poundland and you’ll get Poundland quality, adequate but that’s about it. We’ve not got a Poundland but providing it sells food I could pretty much guarantee I could assemble a meal from that bargain type store to present a meal that most of the income range would find acceptable and I’m not a chef. Question is can MON do that because he’s a highly rewarded football manager so non of the excuses cut it. A question not for yourself but all. In the last 40 years when have SCFC or a SCFC Manager started a game with a match day squad of 18 players (Huddersfield - accepting the permissible size of the squad has increased ) consisting of; 7 free agent signings two which are 33 and 39 respectively. 2 loan players aged 22 with less than 20 competitive games at the particular league standard (Championship in this case) 4 players through the youth ranks with an average age of 21 and a total of Championship appearances (not games) of 52 between them Moving on from the Huddersfield game to our 1st team squad who are currently injured (total) we have; Powell - free agent Souttar - £200k signing Fox - free agent Dulhaney - free agent McCarron - undisclosed transfer fee Clarke - loan Added todayFosu - loan Genuine QuestionWhat SCFC manager has had to deal with the same constraints in the transfer market to produce a match day squad worthy of promotion?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Aug 16, 2022 20:33:23 GMT
He’s a footballer on far more money than his ability deserves( how can I say that having not seen him play, easy they all are). He not the designated leader of a democratically elected administration. Don’t you understand the difference? I don’t even know what Tofu is, I thought it might be squeaky cheese but that Haloumi, it’s something strange people eat. Hm, strange people….or, 1.5 billion Chinese people. Dunno I've eaten shit loads of Chinese and never even seen it on the menu. There again I thought I wanted to cook authentic Indian food until I discovered BIR food is something completely different. At last I'm very happy with my home prepared Indian meals. I started thinking it was something to do with chick peas then realised that was Fallafel something else I'm not really familiar, with strangely I like Hummus but not chick peas so who knows.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 16, 2022 20:39:18 GMT
We’ve not got a Poundland but providing it sells food I could pretty much guarantee I could assemble a meal from that bargain type store to present a meal that most of the income range would find acceptable and I’m not a chef. Question is can MON do that because he’s a highly rewarded football manager so non of the excuses cut it. A question not for yourself but all. In the last 40 years when have SCFC or a SCFC Manager started a game with a match day squad of 18 players (Huddersfield - accepting the permissible size of the squad has increased ) consisting of; 7 free agent signings two which are 33 and 39 respectively. 2 loan players aged 22 with less than 20 competitive games at the particular league standard (Championship in this case) 4 players through the youth ranks with an average age of 21 and a total of Championship appearances (not games) of 52 between them Moving on from the Huddersfield game to our 1st team squad who are currently injured (total) we have; Powell - free agent Souttar - £200k signing Fox - free agent Dulhaney - free agent McCarron - undisclosed transfer fee Clarke - loan Added todayFosu - loan Genuine QuestionWhat SCFC manager has had to deal with the same constraints in the transfer market to produce a match day squad worthy of promotion? It’s a huge straw man though isn’t it, for a number of reasons? 1) In the age of the Bosman’ ‘free’ doesn’t always equate to cheap. Gayle wasn’t a cheap signing, there will be a significant outlay there. 2) As mentioned earlier, Huddersfield’s summer business last year consisted predominantly of free transfers and they did indeed manage to produce a play off team. 3) I don’t think the majority are even demanding that from us this season, we just want an improvement on last season. Top half playing more on the front foot would do most people.
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Post by gawa on Aug 16, 2022 20:40:08 GMT
We’ve not got a Poundland but providing it sells food I could pretty much guarantee I could assemble a meal from that bargain type store to present a meal that most of the income range would find acceptable and I’m not a chef. Question is can MON do that because he’s a highly rewarded football manager so non of the excuses cut it. A question not for yourself but all. In the last 40 years when have SCFC or a SCFC Manager started a game with a match day squad of 18 players (Huddersfield - accepting the permissible size of the squad has increased ) consisting of; 7 free agent signings two which are 33 and 39 respectively. 2 loan players aged 22 with less than 20 competitive games at the particular league standard (Championship in this case) 4 players through the youth ranks with an average age of 21 and a total of Championship appearances (not games) of 52 between them Moving on from the Huddersfield game to our 1st team squad who are currently injured (total) we have; Powell - free agent Souttar - £200k signing Fox - free agent Dulhaney - free agent McCarron - undisclosed transfer fee Clarke - loan Added todayFosu - loan Genuine QuestionWhat SCFC manager has had to deal with the same constraints in the transfer market to produce a match day squad worthy of promotion? Your wasting your breath mate. There's a real trumpism aurora amongst some supporters and the manager is their Hilary Clinton. With the amount of fake news on here, I'm surprised nobody has claimed Michael has an underground tunnel filled with babies, whose blood he drinks, yet.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 16, 2022 20:45:34 GMT
Welcome to the club Tariq 👏🏻
I mean Tariqe. Apologies
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 16, 2022 20:46:03 GMT
A question not for yourself but all. In the last 40 years when have SCFC or a SCFC Manager started a game with a match day squad of 18 players (Huddersfield - accepting the permissible size of the squad has increased ) consisting of; 7 free agent signings two which are 33 and 39 respectively. 2 loan players aged 22 with less than 20 competitive games at the particular league standard (Championship in this case) 4 players through the youth ranks with an average age of 21 and a total of Championship appearances (not games) of 52 between them Moving on from the Huddersfield game to our 1st team squad who are currently injured (total) we have; Powell - free agent Souttar - £200k signing Fox - free agent Dulhaney - free agent McCarron - undisclosed transfer fee Clarke - loan Added todayFosu - loan Genuine QuestionWhat SCFC manager has had to deal with the same constraints in the transfer market to produce a match day squad worthy of promotion? Your wasting your breath mate. There's a real trumpism aurora amongst some supporters and the manager is their Hilary Clinton. With the amount of fake news on here, I'm surprised nobody has claimed Michael has an underground tunnel filled with babies, whose blood he drinks, yet. He doesn’t have it especially tougher than many of the other non-parachute teams in the league.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 16, 2022 21:01:17 GMT
Your wasting your breath mate. There's a real trumpism aurora amongst some supporters and the manager is their Hilary Clinton. With the amount of fake news on here, I'm surprised nobody has claimed Michael has an underground tunnel filled with babies, whose blood he drinks, yet. He doesn’t have it especially tougher than many of the other non-parachute teams in the league. Personally I’m not interested in any other club. I asked a serious question about SCFC and a manager with particular reference to the last 40 years (and I can go back further). MON (only because he is the present manager) has, and is having to deal with circumstances that I can’t remember any other having to face. Perhaps my perception of the past to present is wrong, quite willing for others to educate or prove me wrong.
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