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Post by clarkeda on Oct 23, 2022 8:25:20 GMT
Another one who we all thought was a defensive midfielder but doesn’t really offer any protection to the defence. It’s the one position that our previous managers have neglected but I think AN will make it a priority over the next couple of transfer windows. Hopefully we swap Kilkenny for Pearson in Jan. Laurent Pearson Baker Is a tasty three with good balance Or Pearson Baker Powell
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Post by march4 on Oct 23, 2022 10:20:59 GMT
We need a proper defensive midfielder in January. I’m sick and tired of watching teams wander through our midfield unhindered. This has been going on since Whelan left.
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Post by cvillestokie on Oct 23, 2022 10:58:18 GMT
I thought he looked pretty good first half. I’m not sure what went on in the second.
I don’t understand why we have 5 subs and we don’t use them more frequently, only to wonder why our players look exhausted during heavy fixture congestion.
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Post by greenhoff on Oct 23, 2022 13:17:42 GMT
Needs a rocket up his arse. He's got the tools to be a top player. Not sure he has the desire. Miles too casual and often unaware of players running off him.
Bloody awful for the second.
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Post by onepara on Oct 23, 2022 13:57:50 GMT
What does he actually do? He just sits where he is, the ball comes to him, he plays a short pass, then goes to sleep again. He shows no movement or energy. I'm 86 & I could do what he does. On less money, as well. Like someone above has said, he needs a rocket planting in his rear.
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Post by cvillestokie on Oct 23, 2022 14:12:51 GMT
What does he actually do? He just sits where he is, the ball comes to him, he plays a short pass, then goes to sleep again. He shows no movement or energy. I'm 86 & I could do what he does. On less money, as well. Like someone above has said, he needs a rocket planting in his rear. He does a pretty good job of dropping deep to cover Wilmot when he goes forward. That allows the formation to be much more fluid.
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Post by idle on Oct 23, 2022 14:14:02 GMT
I agree that his first half yesterday was ok, but Laurent definitely wasn't our best midfielder. He was (at minimum partially) responible for both goals.
First, he casually jogs into the space he's supposed to protect before Wilmot headlessly charges into the situation leaving space for Jamie Allens run onto the pass from Hamer.
Then, he loses the ball while dwelling on it leaving Hamer to run at the defence, and then actually catches up with him only to let Hamers little jump-turn go past both him and Wilmot (again).
Laurent looks stronger than Thompson, but Thompson works much harder and actually has positional sense. Thompson also tackles, so I prefer him.
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 23, 2022 14:17:40 GMT
He needs three yards in which to control the ball. People talked about Joe Allen's second touch being a tackle. Laurent is no better.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Oct 23, 2022 14:26:46 GMT
He’s not brave enough when we have the ball. Sometimes it feels like he tucks in to almost mark a man to not show for the pass. There was the odd occasion vs Cov he did but he needs to do it much more. Without the ball he’s fine, holds his position.
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 23, 2022 14:27:32 GMT
In addition Thompson passes forward with a bit of zip, for me he is being criminally underused.
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Post by superpotter on Oct 23, 2022 16:03:24 GMT
Hope he and Clucas never play together that would be two midfield players not wanting the ball . Not brave enough or confident enough looks like he just doing the minimum he can get away with , needs dropping for a few games .
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Post by st3mark on Oct 23, 2022 16:21:29 GMT
Shocking performance yesterday.
Looked decent away at Preston. Too many nice lads in the midfield. We need to play two of them and replace one of them with a vicious bastard.
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Post by newsteadst3 on Oct 23, 2022 20:05:34 GMT
Needs a rocket up his arse. He's got the tools to be a top player. Not sure he has the desire. Miles too casual and often unaware of players running off him. Bloody awful for the second. I'm getting Henrik Risom vibes too
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 23, 2022 20:08:16 GMT
Shocking performance yesterday. Looked decent away at Preston. Too many nice lads in the midfield. We need to play two of them and replace one of them with a vicious bastard. We definitely need a cunt
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Post by marylandstoke on Oct 23, 2022 21:23:55 GMT
Not sure if this is the right place for this but…where are we at with Kilkenny?
Thought he was going to be my new fave player.
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Post by marylandstoke on Oct 23, 2022 21:25:13 GMT
Shocking performance yesterday. Looked decent away at Preston. Too many nice lads in the midfield. We need to play two of them and replace one of them with a vicious bastard. We definitely need a cunt Get SJW to take Gayle out for a couple of pints and a chat.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 23, 2022 21:55:01 GMT
Not sure if this is the right place for this but…where are we at with Kilkenny? Thought he was going to be my new fave player. Out for several weeks
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Post by Championship Potter on Oct 24, 2022 21:28:02 GMT
Not sure if this is the right place for this but…where are we at with Kilkenny? Thought he was going to be my new fave player. We’ve got an awkward decision to make in a few weeks as we can only name 5 loan players in a squad. Sterling and Fosu look shoe ins at the moment, so that means two from Delap, Clarke and Smallbone? Not an easy call.
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Post by dirtclod on Oct 25, 2022 0:16:49 GMT
Needed for SCFC Midfield. Mean people.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 25, 2022 9:07:11 GMT
Not sure if this is the right place for this but…where are we at with Kilkenny? Thought he was going to be my new fave player. We’ve got an awkward decision to make in a few weeks as we can only name 5 loan players in a squad. Sterling and Fosu look shoe ins at the moment, so that means two from Delap, Clarke and Smallbone? Not an easy call. Pretty easy, Smallbone is useless.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 25, 2022 9:55:53 GMT
Not sure if this is the right place for this but…where are we at with Kilkenny? Thought he was going to be my new fave player. We’ve got an awkward decision to make in a few weeks as we can only name 5 loan players in a squad. Sterling and Fosu look shoe ins at the moment, so that means two from Delap, Clarke and Smallbone? Not an easy call. That's 5 players you've named. Am I missing something? Smallbone is the weakest of the 5 you've named, in my opinion.
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Post by robstokie on Oct 25, 2022 10:36:22 GMT
Not seen a thread on him yet but far from impressed with him so far. Seems to take the easy way all the time and doesn’t really cover the defence either. I think Thompson is better and we generally seem to play better with Thompson in the side. Feel free to abuse me😉 Think Thompson is underrated personally. His best role is undoubtedly as the holding player in a midfield 3, and we look a lot more stable with him in the side - he does a lot of the donkey work sitting in, winning balls through the middle of the park and starting attacks from deep as he can pick a pass as well. Unfortunately his versatility has gone against him with regards to him holding a regular place in the side, with him being redeployed to wing back and in every central midfield role (think he's played as a 10 once or twice too). As for Laurent, he just seems to be a nothing player - don't see what he offers as he's not a ball winner, not a great passer, doesn't run at people and certainly doesn't contribute in any way coming forward - and symptomatic of MON era signings ie. A cast off to join a long list of cast offs and past it plodders.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Oct 25, 2022 11:15:01 GMT
Baker and Lauren play in the same space and neither is either a good passer, an effective defender or capable of picking the ball off the back four, they are jacks of all trades midfielder. Powell has to play and Neil seemed to be signalling this in the press, calling out his creativity. I feel we should have one left footer and Thompson offers more than Clucas, leaving Kilkenny, Laurent and Baker for one slot before we sign a proper CDM. Smallbone doesn't convince and why he decided to leave Hamer and jog left, to an area we had cover, for the first goal on Saturday is a mystery
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Post by idle on Oct 25, 2022 12:31:25 GMT
Baker and Lauren play in the same space and neither is either a good passer, an effective defender or capable of picking the ball off the back four, they are jacks of all trades midfielder. Powell has to play and Neil seemed to be signalling this in the press, calling out his creativity. I feel we should have one left footer and Thompson offers more than Clucas, leaving Kilkenny, Laurent and Baker for one slot before we sign a proper CDM. Smallbone doesn't convince and why he decided to leave Hamer and jog left, to an area we had cover, for the first goal on Saturday is a mystery Well, at least Baker has a good long shot, so I think a midfield of Thompson as DM, Baker as the central midfielder on the right and Powell as a attacking midfielder on the left side centrally would be our best option.
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 26, 2022 18:06:19 GMT
I agree with the general theme above.
Our defence has improved but still slips up.
Our attack work hard but are presented with few opportunities and when they are usually miss.
But our MF are "missing". They have 3 roles 1. First line of defence, cutting out opponent's moves like Whelan did. 2. "Water carriers" getting the ball from defence to attack, like Allen did. 3. Creating chances like no one for a very long time! Last one I can think of is N'Zonzi.
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 27, 2022 16:43:03 GMT
Baker and Lauren play in the same space and neither is either a good passer, an effective defender or capable of picking the ball off the back four, they are jacks of all trades midfielder. Powell has to play and Neil seemed to be signalling this in the press, calling out his creativity. I feel we should have one left footer and Thompson offers more than Clucas, leaving Kilkenny, Laurent and Baker for one slot before we sign a proper CDM. Smallbone doesn't convince and why he decided to leave Hamer and jog left, to an area we had cover, for the first goal on Saturday is a mystery Well, at least Baker has a good long shot, so I think a midfield of Thompson as DM, Baker as the central midfielder on the right and Powell as a attacking midfielder on the left side centrally would be our best option. Yup, I think that could be really good. Laurent has had good and bad games but so has Thompson and they're playing similar roles. I like how Thompson can spot a long pass as well as cut up play. Powell puts himself about and defends from the front a bit too. That extra coverage child really help and we don't get it from Smallbone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2022 17:06:10 GMT
He needs three yards in which to control the ball. People talked about Joe Allen's second touch being a tackle. Laurent is no better. Joe Allen has achieved more in the game than Josh Laurent could ever dream of achieving. No comparison to be made, Joe Allen shits all over him.
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Post by nonameface on Oct 27, 2022 18:48:56 GMT
He needs three yards in which to control the ball. People talked about Joe Allen's second touch being a tackle. Laurent is no better. Joe Allen has achieved more in the game than Josh Laurent could ever dream of achieving. No comparison to be made, Joe Allen shits all over him. Pretty much bar none, Joe Allen was the worst midfielder we have had in recent years. He had so much opportunity to do well for us, but failed pretty much on every occasion. Every game he played in he offered next to nothing for the attackers and no protection to the backline. Our midfield was always overran. Laurent looks physically commanding, strong, tall, fast, decent in the air. He simply offers way more protection to the backline but his touch isnt as good as Joes. It'll be interesting to see over the remainder of the season if Laurent can show he can get a good relationship / understanding with the rest of the team.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2022 19:01:27 GMT
Joe Allen has achieved more in the game than Josh Laurent could ever dream of achieving. No comparison to be made, Joe Allen shits all over him. Pretty much bar none, Joe Allen was the worst midfielder we have had in recent years. He had so much opportunity to do well for us, but failed pretty much on every occasion. Every game he played in he offered next to nothing for the attackers and no protection to the backline. Our midfield was always overran. Laurent looks physically commanding, strong, tall, fast, decent in the air. He simply offers way more protection to the backline but his touch isnt as good as Joes. It'll be interesting to see over the remainder of the season if Laurent can show he can get a good relationship / understanding with the rest of the team. 🤣
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Post by idle on Oct 28, 2022 8:24:37 GMT
Joe Allen has achieved more in the game than Josh Laurent could ever dream of achieving. No comparison to be made, Joe Allen shits all over him. Pretty much bar none, Joe Allen was the worst midfielder we have had in recent years. He had so much opportunity to do well for us, but failed pretty much on every occasion. Every game he played in he offered next to nothing for the attackers and no protection to the backline. Our midfield was always overran. Laurent looks physically commanding, strong, tall, fast, decent in the air. He simply offers way more protection to the backline but his touch isnt as good as Joes. It'll be interesting to see over the remainder of the season if Laurent can show he can get a good relationship / understanding with the rest of the team. WTF. Allen was one of the best midfielders we had since we went down, perhaps only surpassed by Powell (who's more of a forward/attacking midfielder). People seem to think he was supposed to be some kind of defensive anchor (see you own comparison with Laurent) when he was more of a playmaker type. It wasn't his fault the shit quartet of Lambert, Rowett, Jones and MON couldn't balance a team. And don't forget he was playing with world beaters such as Clucas, Vrancic, Tom Ince, Fletcher, Cousins and Oakley-Boothe. And of course the world star and non-moving object Mikel. We all saw how good he could be when Baker came in and gave his passing an outlet. And his work rate was second to none. And for all the "physically commanding, strong, tall, fast, decent in the air" attributes you seem to think Laurent has, none of it matters if he can't position himself and doesn't work hard. He was complicit in both goals vs. Coventry because he was not doing his job, so I don't know where you get "He simply offers way more protection to the backline" from. I prefer Thompson, but it's good that we have competition for the DM position.
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