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Post by FranktheRabbit on Jun 28, 2022 12:25:19 GMT
Is that the last of the late-era Prem disasters and Rowett's summer of absolute carnage gone? Well, nearly.... And then there was one. Any rumours on Etebo? Watford not want him back?
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Post by stoke1863 on Jun 28, 2022 12:29:51 GMT
Interesting FFP-related note Does anyone know why that was important to us?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 28, 2022 12:40:15 GMT
Interesting FFP-related note Does anyone know why that was important to us? No - but if it was critical to get rid of him before the end of the month, you'd think it'd be a similar story with Etebo (although you wouldn't have thought he'd be on an Afobe-level wage) So maybe we've got 48 hours to move Etebo on, even if we have to make a similarly imperfect deal?
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Post by jokker on Jun 28, 2022 12:45:31 GMT
I don’t think Benik deserves to be called a twat or cunt to be honest. He’s gone through some unimaginable, horrendous times and I know I’d never come back from it. However he’s been an awful signing for us, but guess what? He’s part of a long list of awful signings for us over the last few years. I wish him all the best and hope he reignites his career. I’m glad he’s off our books though. I agree, I have absolutely no animosity towards the guy he was just a terrible signing...... I think he was a fairly good signing, scored 6 goals in his first few weeks, which considering the kind of football we were playing was a decent return. But then we sacked the manager that signed him, and like nearly all those Rowett signed, their confidence took a dip from that. I think Afobe was one of the first players to see through Jones' madness, to see that he was out of his depth; at any rate Afobe simply wouldn't take orders from him, and you could argue Afobe was playing against Jones, looking extremely lazy/not bothered on the pitch. This didn't endear him to the supporters, and when they booed him in home games, Afobe's Stoke stay had hit the point of no return, although it's taken ridiculous amounts of time and pointless loans for parting ways to be reached.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jun 28, 2022 12:46:44 GMT
Interesting FFP-related note Does anyone know why that was important to us? No idea. FFP is calculated over three years so a shift between 2021/22 and 2022/23 has no impact until 2024/25 so very marginal effect. I wonder if it is more to allow us to know he is off the books before the window opens on 1st July - nothing to do with FFP.
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Post by stoke1863 on Jun 28, 2022 12:52:07 GMT
Does anyone know why that was important to us? No - but if it was critical to get rid of him before the end of the month, you'd think it'd be a similar story with Etebo (although you wouldn't have thought he'd be on an Afobe-level wage) So maybe we've got 48 hours to move Etebo on, even if we have to make a similarly imperfect deal? Most likely. It would have been good to get a bit of clarity on its significance in the article but hey-ho. Either way, it’ll be good to get them both gone.
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Post by stoke1863 on Jun 28, 2022 12:55:29 GMT
Does anyone know why that was important to us? No idea. FFP is calculated over three years so a shift between 2021/22 and 2022/23 has no impact until 2024/25 so very marginal effect. I wonder if it is more to allow us to know he is off the books before the window opens on 1st July - nothing to do with FFP. That was my understanding but I must admit, the more I try and understand FFP the less it seems to make sense. Hopefully what it does mean is that we’ll start to see some much needed inbound activity from next week.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2022 13:43:25 GMT
Does anyone know why that was important to us? No - but if it was critical to get rid of him before the end of the month, you'd think it'd be a similar story with Etebo (although you wouldn't have thought he'd be on an Afobe-level wage) So maybe we've got 48 hours to move Etebo on, even if we have to make a similarly imperfect deal? The !st July date most probably had something to do with the Club Brugge transfer falling through
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Post by theonlooker on Jun 28, 2022 13:46:56 GMT
Interesting FFP-related note Does anyone know why that was important to us? Nobody on here will know for sure, and it will be all guesswork, but following on from thebet365's post on another thread you'd think it's all about us having to put up some cash to get him rid and us wanting it on last year's books to avoid any more losses going into this year. It's another pointer to how tight things are going to be this year IMO.
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Post by dirtclod on Jun 28, 2022 14:31:44 GMT
Would imagine that it has something to do with accounting-periods. Just a guess
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 28, 2022 14:48:44 GMT
Wasn't there a similar sort of consideration with Clucas' contract re-negotiation? Am i misremembering or was there a deadline set for any team to come in and take him?
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Post by lordb on Jun 28, 2022 16:20:58 GMT
Wasn't there a similar sort of consideration with Clucas' contract re-negotiation? Am i misremembering or was there a deadline set for any team to come in and take him? Yes there was
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 28, 2022 16:32:02 GMT
I agree, I have absolutely no animosity towards the guy he was just a terrible signing...... I think he was a fairly good signing, scored 6 goals in his first few weeks, which considering the kind of football we were playing was a decent return. But then we sacked the manager that signed him, and like nearly all those Rowett signed, their confidence took a dip from that. I think Afobe was one of the first players to see through Jones' madness, to see that he was out of his depth; at any rate Afobe simply wouldn't take orders from him, and you could argue Afobe was playing against Jones, looking extremely lazy/not bothered on the pitch. This didn't endear him to the supporters, and when they booed him in home games, Afobe's Stoke stay had hit the point of no return, although it's taken ridiculous amounts of time and pointless loans for parting ways to be reached. Whats his excuse with MON, he was given a chance and very quickly shipped off.
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Post by lennythegoose on Jun 28, 2022 16:33:31 GMT
Does anyone know why that was important to us? No - but if it was critical to get rid of him before the end of the month, you'd think it'd be a similar story with Etebo (although you wouldn't have thought he'd be on an Afobe-level wage) So maybe we've got 48 hours to move Etebo on, even if we have to make a similarly imperfect deal? Boskamp not happy with Super Jon’s Movember attempt…
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 28, 2022 16:34:45 GMT
But what would TP have done?
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Post by jokker on Jun 28, 2022 17:01:28 GMT
I think he was a fairly good signing, scored 6 goals in his first few weeks, which considering the kind of football we were playing was a decent return. But then we sacked the manager that signed him, and like nearly all those Rowett signed, their confidence took a dip from that. I think Afobe was one of the first players to see through Jones' madness, to see that he was out of his depth; at any rate Afobe simply wouldn't take orders from him, and you could argue Afobe was playing against Jones, looking extremely lazy/not bothered on the pitch. This didn't endear him to the supporters, and when they booed him in home games, Afobe's Stoke stay had hit the point of no return, although it's taken ridiculous amounts of time and pointless loans for parting ways to be reached. Whats his excuse with MON, he was given a chance and very quickly shipped off. As I said above, he had reached the point of no return with scfc. O'Neill demanded that he gave it a chance, but it was clear Afobe didn't want to be here. And now finally he is not.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jun 28, 2022 17:07:35 GMT
Wasn't there a similar sort of consideration with Clucas' contract re-negotiation? Am i misremembering or was there a deadline set for any team to come in and take him? Yes there was But Lucas's deal was to reduce spending and move some forward a year into 2022/23 as the 3 years ending 2021/22 were expected to be tight. Moving spend back into 2021/22 doesn't have the same benefit. Makes no sense for FFP but maybe we have to sell to be allowed to sign more players and the window opens on 1st July so players may get offers and move before we can get to them
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 28, 2022 17:37:24 GMT
I agree, I have absolutely no animosity towards the guy he was just a terrible signing...... I think he was a fairly good signing, scored 6 goals in his first few weeks, which considering the kind of football we were playing was a decent return. But then we sacked the manager that signed him, and like nearly all those Rowett signed, their confidence took a dip from that. I think Afobe was one of the first players to see through Jones' madness, to see that he was out of his depth; at any rate Afobe simply wouldn't take orders from him, and you could argue Afobe was playing against Jones, looking extremely lazy/not bothered on the pitch. This didn't endear him to the supporters, and when they booed him in home games, Afobe's Stoke stay had hit the point of no return, although it's taken ridiculous amounts of time and pointless loans for parting ways to be reached. There was a reason Rowett was sacked. The players took a “dip in” performance way before he went, I assume that confidence dip occurred before that. I quote “dip in” as for many, there was never an improvement. It’s been a shocking period of ineptitude throughout the club, starting with the relegation season and continuing to this day. Spending 12 million on a striker who has managed over 10 league goals a season 3 times in his career sums up that ineptitude well. Adobe’s disinterest in proving any fans wrong by turning his form around is a good example of the types of player we have been forced to watch over the last 6 or so years.
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Post by RF10 on Jun 28, 2022 18:44:24 GMT
But what would TP have done? This has proper "whoosed" me...?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 28, 2022 19:02:14 GMT
But what would TP have done? This has proper "whoosed" me...? Best manager ever, we should look at everything through the eyes of Tone.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 28, 2022 19:25:41 GMT
When can we start actually spending money again?
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Post by toppercorner on Jun 28, 2022 19:26:00 GMT
Works out at approx £235,294 per match, and £1,333,333 per goal.
FFS.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jun 28, 2022 19:32:55 GMT
Works out at approx £235,294 per match, and £1,333,333 per goal. FFS. And 2 of those goals were penalties and only 1 of which was in a game that we won. Fucking hell.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jun 28, 2022 19:42:22 GMT
Works out at approx £235,294 per match, and £1,333,333 per goal. FFS. And 2 of those goals were penalties and only 1 of which was in a game that we won. Fucking hell. But “He’ll guarantee you promotion”. Hells teeth.
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Post by toppercorner on Jun 28, 2022 19:44:02 GMT
Works out at approx £235,294 per match, and £1,333,333 per goal. FFS. And 2 of those goals were penalties and only 1 of which was in a game that we won. Fucking hell. Actually, it's more, my figures were based on the fee, and not inclusive of wages. Makes you weep.
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Post by stokeybulldog on Jun 28, 2022 20:42:37 GMT
What's the betting that the first game of the season he plays and scores that be our luck
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 28, 2022 23:25:09 GMT
When can we start actually spending money again? MON has spent about 5/6m already.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 29, 2022 0:17:10 GMT
Whats his excuse with MON, he was given a chance and very quickly shipped off. As I said above, he had reached the point of no return with scfc. O'Neill demanded that he gave it a chance, but it was clear Afobe didn't want to be here. And now finally he is not. Fair enough, best to be without unprofessional players then.
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Post by mickstupp on Jun 29, 2022 6:55:04 GMT
When can we start actually spending money again? MON has spent about 5/6m already. 🤔 he’s only “spent” money that he’s generated by selling players and slashing the wage bill though hasn’t he? What’s his net spend?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 29, 2022 6:56:31 GMT
MON has spent about 5/6m already. 🤔 he’s only “spent” money that he’s generated by selling players and slashing the wage bill though hasn’t he? What’s his net spend? So? He’s still spent 5/6m more than any of us expected and generally spent it badly.
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