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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 7, 2022 15:26:45 GMT
I agree but if they aren't then you should get your head up and not cross. It's something that I wanted throttle McClean for so I can't not want to do the same for Tymon. His crosses definitely go into better areas way more consistently though. But still, usually there's no bugger there to be crossing it to, so why cross at all? So are you saying he’s meant to cross to the very position of a player in the box or are you saying he’s crossing into the box when there’s absolutely no one in and around the box? He crosses to no one. That's poor.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 7, 2022 15:30:50 GMT
So are you saying he’s meant to cross to the very position of a player in the box or are you saying he’s crossing into the box when there’s absolutely no one in and around the box? He crosses to no one. That's poor. You don’t want him to be crossing to a player, you want him crossing into an area where that player should be able to get to. I can’t say I’ve noticed him crossing into an unpopulated penalty area. The forwards have to make the correct movements it’s not a one way street.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 7, 2022 15:32:45 GMT
He crosses to no one. That's poor. You don’t want him to be crossing to a player, you want him crossing into an area where that player should be able to get to. I can’t say I’ve noticed him crossing into an unpopulated penalty area. The forwards have to make the correct movements it’s not a one way street. I don't want him crossing to an area if no one is there which is very often what happens. It's bad play all round.
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Post by medwaypotter on Jun 7, 2022 15:35:55 GMT
2 players will not transform this team I think a striker and central midfielder would make a massive difference to this team tbh. So, we sell the only wing back at the club, so we have none, and sign a central midfielder and a striker? All of our problems solved then.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 7, 2022 15:40:34 GMT
I think a striker and central midfielder would make a massive difference to this team tbh. So, we sell the only wing back at the club, so we have none, and sign a central midfielder and a striker? All of our problems solved then. I don't think we should play with wing backs. So it goes a long way to solving the problems yes
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Post by medwaypotter on Jun 7, 2022 16:05:44 GMT
So, we sell the only wing back at the club, so we have none, and sign a central midfielder and a striker? All of our problems solved then. I don't think we should play with wing backs. So it goes a long way to solving the problems yes What you think is irrelevant, O'Neil will play with wingbacks. Even if we went to a back 4, who plays left and right back, a central midfielder and a striker ?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 7, 2022 16:09:55 GMT
I don't think we should play with wing backs. So it goes a long way to solving the problems yes What you think is irrelevant, O'Neil will play with wingbacks. Even if we went to a back 4, who plays left and right back, a central midfielder and a striker ? He probably would but Tymon is pretty easily replaceable and this talk of 5m is silly anyway, no one is daft enough to offer that. We need a left back, right back, central midfielder (although I don't think we'll get one) and striker anyway. Selling Tymon wouldn't change that.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 7, 2022 16:33:20 GMT
What you think is irrelevant, O'Neil will play with wingbacks. Even if we went to a back 4, who plays left and right back, a central midfielder and a striker ? He probably would but Tymon is pretty easily replaceable and this talk of 5m is silly anyway, no one is daft enough to offer that. We need a left back, right back, central midfielder (although I don't think we'll get one) and striker anyway. Selling Tymon wouldn't change that. MON has indicated he’s happy with Tymon at LB. I don’t think we’ll be able to bring in someone to challenge for that position unless we can shed Fox which won’t be easy. He’s been a poor signing.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 7, 2022 16:38:53 GMT
He probably would but Tymon is pretty easily replaceable and this talk of 5m is silly anyway, no one is daft enough to offer that. We need a left back, right back, central midfielder (although I don't think we'll get one) and striker anyway. Selling Tymon wouldn't change that. MON has indicated he’s happy with Tymon at LB. I don’t think we’ll be able to bring in someone to challenge for that position unless we can shed Fox which won’t be easy. He’s been a poor signing. Fox had a good first season at left back but since he started getting all these injuries he's been shocking. It would be good to get rid of him but again can't see it happening.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 7, 2022 16:53:27 GMT
MON has indicated he’s happy with Tymon at LB. I don’t think we’ll be able to bring in someone to challenge for that position unless we can shed Fox which won’t be easy. He’s been a poor signing. Fox had a good first season at left back but since he started getting all these injuries he's been shocking. It would be good to get rid of him but again can't see it happening. We’ll probably have to wait until next Summer for an alternative LB then. If we can get a player as effective as Tymon on the right that will be a good start. I’m not sure whether we should go 3 or 4 at the back. I like 3 at the back but MON’s version of it is not positive enough. You want your WB’s getting high up the pitch early and I’ve heard him say that’s something he doesn’t want them to do which imo makes it unlikely he’ll make a success of the formation. You just don’t want a momentum vacuum like Smith out there.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 7, 2022 17:00:06 GMT
He probably would but Tymon is pretty easily replaceable and this talk of 5m is silly anyway, no one is daft enough to offer that. We need a left back, right back, central midfielder (although I don't think we'll get one) and striker anyway. Selling Tymon wouldn't change that. MON has indicated he’s happy with Tymon at LB. Well for that alone he needs sacking. He's a liability at LB.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2022 17:01:19 GMT
Some people are throwing around his assist numbers as a stick to beat him with but the eye test tells you that he should’ve had many more assists the season just gone. When he was on song his ability to play pacey balls into the danger zone was very good. But it’s a two way street and it needs to other attackers to anticipate and attack those situations. In a better team he would’ve got double digit assists IMO. But then there’s the games where he played more passive and wasn’t attacking the full-backs, which I’m sure was partly down to becoming demoralised at the attacking failure to capitalise on him doing his job very well. Isn't crossing where there's no one just a shit cross? I'm not beating him re assists even semi seriously though but it does make me laugh that he has got just 1 one more than Wilmot. And I do think he shouldn't be crossing if there's no one there. I'm not entirely sure but I strongly suspect it's more down to his teammates not being ready to attack those danger areas. In an ideal world we'd have wide players who could beat their man then put it on a sixpence for their teammates, but we're a middling 2nd division team not real madrid.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 7, 2022 17:31:43 GMT
Isn't crossing where there's no one just a shit cross? I'm not beating him re assists even semi seriously though but it does make me laugh that he has got just 1 one more than Wilmot. And I do think he shouldn't be crossing if there's no one there. I'm not entirely sure but I strongly suspect it's more down to his teammates not being ready to attack those danger areas. In an ideal world we'd have wide players who could beat their man then put it on a sixpence for their teammates, but we're a middling 2nd division team not real madrid. But if there's no one there you shouldn't cross? It's just bad play imo.
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Post by medwaypotter on Jun 7, 2022 17:32:46 GMT
What you think is irrelevant, O'Neil will play with wingbacks. Even if we went to a back 4, who plays left and right back, a central midfielder and a striker ? He probably would but Tymon is pretty easily replaceable and this talk of 5m is silly anyway, no one is daft enough to offer that. We need a left back, right back, central midfielder (although I don't think we'll get one) and striker anyway. Selling Tymon wouldn't change that. Which is what I said in the first place, selling Tymon would not transform the team, glad you see sense finally.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 7, 2022 17:34:35 GMT
If the Strikers by now can't anticipate where a Josh Tymon cross is going to end up then they shouldn't be in the team. He consistently hits areas where a striker with an instinct to score goals should be.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 7, 2022 17:55:24 GMT
He probably would but Tymon is pretty easily replaceable and this talk of 5m is silly anyway, no one is daft enough to offer that. We need a left back, right back, central midfielder (although I don't think we'll get one) and striker anyway. Selling Tymon wouldn't change that. Which is what I said in the first place, selling Tymon would not transform the team, glad you see sense finally. It would, it would allow us to buy some players for those positions
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 7, 2022 17:56:17 GMT
If the Strikers by now can't anticipate where a Josh Tymon cross is going to end up then they shouldn't be in the team. He consistently hits areas where a striker with an instinct to score goals should be. We have a bloke who has scored 14 this season that has barely done it. I don’t think it’s that simple.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 7, 2022 17:57:38 GMT
MON has indicated he’s happy with Tymon at LB. Well for that alone he needs sacking. He's a liability at LB. Seems fine there to me. Obviously you want something different from a full back.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 7, 2022 17:58:29 GMT
If the Strikers by now can't anticipate where a Josh Tymon cross is going to end up then they shouldn't be in the team. He consistently hits areas where a striker with an instinct to score goals should be. We have a bloke who has scored 14 this season that has barely done it. I don’t think it’s that simple. Brown isn't a poacher though is he? if we had one, you'd be seeing a lot more assists for Tymon.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 7, 2022 17:59:12 GMT
If the Strikers by now can't anticipate where a Josh Tymon cross is going to end up then they shouldn't be in the team. He consistently hits areas where a striker with an instinct to score goals should be. We have a bloke who has scored 14 this season that has barely done it. I don’t think it’s that simple. Yeah I mean he has an amazing football brain ffs you’re a hive of self contradiction.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 7, 2022 18:02:02 GMT
We have a bloke who has scored 14 this season that has barely done it. I don’t think it’s that simple. Brown isn't a poacher though is he? if we had one, you'd be seeing a lot more assists for Tymon. Campbell is. Maja has been his whole career.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 7, 2022 18:03:02 GMT
We have a bloke who has scored 14 this season that has barely done it. I don’t think it’s that simple. Yeah I mean he has an amazing football brain ffs you’re a hive of self contradiction. I’m not contradicting anything. It’s poor play to cross to no one. It’s not as simple as blaming the strikers.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 7, 2022 18:11:21 GMT
Yeah I mean he has an amazing football brain ffs you’re a hive of self contradiction. I’m not contradicting anything. It’s poor play to cross to no one. It’s not as simple as blaming the strikers. Using Brown who you’ve said is shit on so many occasions? His crossing to Maja was no win as well whatever height he put the ball in it wasn’t right for him. I’m sure a bustling target man will make more use of them. We had the same thing with Afobe pre Tymon, good balls in going to waste because the strikers movement in the box was non existent. You want them coming on to the ball not the ball played to their exact position.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 7, 2022 18:20:05 GMT
I’m not contradicting anything. It’s poor play to cross to no one. It’s not as simple as blaming the strikers. Using Brown who you’ve said is shit on so many occasions? His crossing to Maja was no win as well whatever height he put the ball in it wasn’t right for him. I’m sure a bustling target man will make more use of them. We had the same thing with Afobe pre Tymon, good balls in going to waste because the strikers movement in the box was non existent. You want them coming on to the ball not the ball played to their exact position. He scored 14 goals which suggests he was getting into enough positions to score however shit I think he is. He would cross when no one was there. That’s not very good football.
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Post by medwaypotter on Jun 7, 2022 18:22:25 GMT
Which is what I said in the first place, selling Tymon would not transform the team, glad you see sense finally. It would, it would allow us to buy some players for those positions "Selling Tymon wouldn't change that." Make your mind up.
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Post by lordb on Jun 7, 2022 18:23:35 GMT
MON has indicated he’s happy with Tymon at LB. Well for that alone he needs sacking. He's a liability at LB. He used to be He played well there when used at LB season just gone
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 7, 2022 18:24:04 GMT
It would, it would allow us to buy some players for those positions "Selling Tymon wouldn't change that." Make your mind up. Of what we need. It wasn’t about what we do with the money 😂😂🤦♂️
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Post by medwaypotter on Jun 7, 2022 18:29:54 GMT
"Selling Tymon wouldn't change that." Make your mind up. Of what we need. It wasn’t about what we do with the money 😂😂🤦♂️ I will ask again, if you replace Tymon with a centre mid and striker, who plays wing backs or full backs, or is selling tymon going to sponsor half a team and their wages ?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 7, 2022 18:36:14 GMT
Using Brown who you’ve said is shit on so many occasions? His crossing to Maja was no win as well whatever height he put the ball in it wasn’t right for him. I’m sure a bustling target man will make more use of them. We had the same thing with Afobe pre Tymon, good balls in going to waste because the strikers movement in the box was non existent. You want them coming on to the ball not the ball played to their exact position. He scored 14 goals which suggests he was getting into enough positions to score however shit I think he is. He would cross when no one was there. That’s not very good football. Like I said I’ve never noticed him crossing when there’s no one in and around the box. If he did every man and his dog would be slating him. You’re making shit up.
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Post by lordb on Jun 7, 2022 18:42:49 GMT
He scored 14 goals which suggests he was getting into enough positions to score however shit I think he is. He would cross when no one was there. That’s not very good football. Like I said I’ve never noticed him crossing when there’s no one in and around the box. If he did every man and his dog would be slating him. You’re making shit up. What Bayern does is see something he doesn't like and that's it, no player can improve, players are either fantastic or shit I'd wager that Tymon has at some point crossed when no one there - which is shit - but as you correctly point out it's not a regular occurance Tymon just had a fantastic season, if 3 or 4 other players had played to the same standard we'd be at least ten places better off
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