|
Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 6, 2022 12:59:26 GMT
How anyone would be happy with £5 million for Tymon, in my mind, is absolutely bonkers. Our most consistent attacking threat down the flanks, quick, hard working and always shows absolute passion. If we want to progress as a club and move back to where we want to be we need to keep players like Tymon, or if we do need to sell for FFP actually get what they’re worth. 5 million is an insult to not only the club but Josh Tymon’s ability. I find it baffling how I read some fans saying they’re excited to get Sima back from his multiple issues and can so easily throw away an absolute talent like Josh Tymon We have quite a few holes in the squad with no money to spend, if selling Tymon was to sort a couple of those out then it would be better over all. Its not ideal, I'd rather keep him, but I'm not sure we're in a position to be too picky. 5 mil is far from an insult, it would be a good offer imo.
|
|
|
Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 6, 2022 13:12:13 GMT
How anyone would be happy with £5 million for Tymon, in my mind, is absolutely bonkers. Our most consistent attacking threat down the flanks, quick, hard working and always shows absolute passion. If we want to progress as a club and move back to where we want to be we need to keep players like Tymon, or if we do need to sell for FFP actually get what they’re worth. 5 million is an insult to not only the club but Josh Tymon’s ability. I find it baffling how I read some fans saying they’re excited to get Sima back from his multiple issues and can so easily throw away an absolute talent like Josh Tymon We have quite a few holes in the squad with no money to spend, if selling Tymon was to sort a couple of those out then it would be better over all. Its not ideal, I'd rather keep him, but I'm not sure we're in a position to be too picky. 5 mil is far from an insult, it would be a good offer imo. Yeah I mean we'd get 2 Surridge's for that. Wait for a premier league offer, if it never comes no problem.
|
|
|
Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 6, 2022 13:33:27 GMT
We have quite a few holes in the squad with no money to spend, if selling Tymon was to sort a couple of those out then it would be better over all. Its not ideal, I'd rather keep him, but I'm not sure we're in a position to be too picky. 5 mil is far from an insult, it would be a good offer imo. Yeah I mean we'd get 2 Surridge's for that. Wait for a premier league offer, if it never comes no problem. You wish I can't see a Prem team coming in for him.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2022 15:43:34 GMT
How anyone would be happy with £5 million for Tymon, in my mind, is absolutely bonkers. Our most consistent attacking threat down the flanks, quick, hard working and always shows absolute passion. If we want to progress as a club and move back to where we want to be we need to keep players like Tymon, or if we do need to sell for FFP actually get what they’re worth. 5 million is an insult to not only the club but Josh Tymon’s ability. I find it baffling how I read some fans saying they’re excited to get Sima back from his multiple issues and can so easily throw away an absolute talent like Josh Tymon We have quite a few holes in the squad with no money to spend, if selling Tymon was to sort a couple of those out then it would be better over all. Its not ideal, I'd rather keep him, but I'm not sure we're in a position to be too picky. 5 mil is far from an insult, it would be a good offer imo. Be too good to refuse I agree. Some must be seeing a different player to me. No chance of him being a Prem player, a steady Champ player who has more average games than good ones.
|
|
|
Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 6, 2022 17:51:41 GMT
We have quite a few holes in the squad with no money to spend, if selling Tymon was to sort a couple of those out then it would be better over all. Its not ideal, I'd rather keep him, but I'm not sure we're in a position to be too picky. 5 mil is far from an insult, it would be a good offer imo. Be too good to refuse I agree. Some must be seeing a different player to me. No chance of him being a Prem player, a steady Champ player who has more average games than good ones. Has good stats all from open play. I’d tend to trust them more than your eye. Or mine either for that matter. Young enough to improve by quite a margin yet. Should be one we’re looking to keep unless a silly bid comes in.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2022 18:26:26 GMT
Be too good to refuse I agree. Some must be seeing a different player to me. No chance of him being a Prem player, a steady Champ player who has more average games than good ones. Has good stats all from open play. I’d tend to trust them more than your eye. Or mine either for that matter. Young enough to improve by quite a margin yet. Should be one we’re looking to keep unless a silly bid comes in. Certainly improved and a decent enough player in there but IF 5 million is genuine and and a big IF then in the current climate would take it....for me anyway.
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 6, 2022 18:37:19 GMT
Be too good to refuse I agree. Some must be seeing a different player to me. No chance of him being a Prem player, a steady Champ player who has more average games than good ones. Has good stats all from open play. I’d tend to trust them more than your eye. Or mine either for that matter. Young enough to improve by quite a margin yet. Should be one we’re looking to keep unless a silly bid comes in. Like more assist than Ben Wilmot
|
|
|
Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 6, 2022 18:43:39 GMT
I think we should keep him if we can but if someone wants to offer 5 million and we can spend it purely on improving the squad we’d be daft to stop it. I don’t believe anyone is offering that kind of money mind.
|
|
|
Post by maine on Jun 6, 2022 19:19:27 GMT
If Rangers are willing to pay that for Tymon, offer them Fox for the same price instead. Bang on about experience, versatility, fitness-or some such nonsense.
|
|
|
Post by nottsover60 on Jun 6, 2022 20:11:41 GMT
Tough one. He’s almost 24 which is still young, if he was 2 years younger I’d definitely say stick. His overall improvement and his flashes of brilliance, combined with his determination, have led me to believe he’s going to become a much better player than he is right now. And he’s one of our better players already. However, from his perspective I think it’s really attractive and if rangers are knocking he might force the issues. 5m with some add on and a sell on fee please. He's only just 23 - born in May. Amazing how long he seems to have been around. To consider letting him leave for £5 million is small minded money grabbing to me. To get a player of his age, experience, ability and potential would cost just as much and would probably not work. To suggest as someone else did that we could get two full backs for that money just smells of accepting mediocrity. Tymon has been very determined to succeed at Stoke - there have been several times when he could have just given up and taken a move to a lesser club. That bodes well for his continued development here and in another couple of years we could have a very good fullback/wingback just about to enter his peak years. I disagree with the opinion that his crossing is poor, it's not consistent but sometimes his crosses are in exactly the right sort of place at the right pace. With coaching I have confidence that he will start hitting those sort of crosses more often and if Brown improves his anticipation they could become a real threat. I also have a theory that friends play well together and I don't think it's a secret that Tymon and Campbell get on well so there could be potential there.
|
|
|
Post by s7oke on Jun 6, 2022 20:32:29 GMT
Tough one. He’s almost 24 which is still young, if he was 2 years younger I’d definitely say stick. His overall improvement and his flashes of brilliance, combined with his determination, have led me to believe he’s going to become a much better player than he is right now. And he’s one of our better players already. However, from his perspective I think it’s really attractive and if rangers are knocking he might force the issues. 5m with some add on and a sell on fee please. He's only just 23 - born in May. Amazing how long he seems to have been around. To consider letting him leave for £5 million is small minded money grabbing to me. To get a player of his age, experience, ability and potential would cost just as much and would probably not work. To suggest as someone else did that we could get two full backs for that money just smells of accepting mediocrity. Tymon has been very determined to succeed at Stoke - there have been several times when he could have just given up and taken a move to a lesser club. That bodes well for his continued development here and in another couple of years we could have a very good fullback/wingback just about to enter his peak years. I disagree with the opinion that his crossing is poor, it's not consistent but sometimes his crosses are in exactly the right sort of place at the right pace. With coaching I have confidence that he will start hitting those sort of crosses more often and if Brown improves his anticipation they could become a real threat. I also have a theory that friends play well together and I don't think it's a secret that Tymon and Campbell get on well so there could be potential there. Well said Fantastic post 👍
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 6, 2022 20:59:57 GMT
Tough one. He’s almost 24 which is still young, if he was 2 years younger I’d definitely say stick. His overall improvement and his flashes of brilliance, combined with his determination, have led me to believe he’s going to become a much better player than he is right now. And he’s one of our better players already. However, from his perspective I think it’s really attractive and if rangers are knocking he might force the issues. 5m with some add on and a sell on fee please. He's only just 23 - born in May. Amazing how long he seems to have been around. To consider letting him leave for £5 million is small minded money grabbing to me. To get a player of his age, experience, ability and potential would cost just as much and would probably not work. To suggest as someone else did that we could get two full backs for that money just smells of accepting mediocrity. Tymon has been very determined to succeed at Stoke - there have been several times when he could have just given up and taken a move to a lesser club. That bodes well for his continued development here and in another couple of years we could have a very good fullback/wingback just about to enter his peak years. I disagree with the opinion that his crossing is poor, it's not consistent but sometimes his crosses are in exactly the right sort of place at the right pace. With coaching I have confidence that he will start hitting those sort of crosses more often and if Brown improves his anticipation they could become a real threat. I also have a theory that friends play well together and I don't think it's a secret that Tymon and Campbell get on well so there could be potential there. 5 million could transform this squad, there’s nothing small time about that thinking.
|
|
|
Post by Rick Grimes on Jun 6, 2022 21:26:31 GMT
I’d take £5 mill for him easily, just can’t see Rangers stumping up that sort of money though.
|
|
|
Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 7, 2022 0:20:29 GMT
Tough one. He’s almost 24 which is still young, if he was 2 years younger I’d definitely say stick. His overall improvement and his flashes of brilliance, combined with his determination, have led me to believe he’s going to become a much better player than he is right now. And he’s one of our better players already. However, from his perspective I think it’s really attractive and if rangers are knocking he might force the issues. 5m with some add on and a sell on fee please. He's only just 23 - born in May. Amazing how long he seems to have been around. To consider letting him leave for £5 million is small minded money grabbing to me. To get a player of his age, experience, ability and potential would cost just as much and would probably not work. To suggest as someone else did that we could get two full backs for that money just smells of accepting mediocrity. Tymon has been very determined to succeed at Stoke - there have been several times when he could have just given up and taken a move to a lesser club. That bodes well for his continued development here and in another couple of years we could have a very good fullback/wingback just about to enter his peak years. I disagree with the opinion that his crossing is poor, it's not consistent but sometimes his crosses are in exactly the right sort of place at the right pace. With coaching I have confidence that he will start hitting those sort of crosses more often and if Brown improves his anticipation they could become a real threat. I also have a theory that friends play well together and I don't think it's a secret that Tymon and Campbell get on well so there could be potential there. It would be looking at the bigger picture and not turning a blind eye to the situation we're in to me.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2022 0:56:45 GMT
He's only just 23 - born in May. Amazing how long he seems to have been around. To consider letting him leave for £5 million is small minded money grabbing to me. To get a player of his age, experience, ability and potential would cost just as much and would probably not work. To suggest as someone else did that we could get two full backs for that money just smells of accepting mediocrity. Tymon has been very determined to succeed at Stoke - there have been several times when he could have just given up and taken a move to a lesser club. That bodes well for his continued development here and in another couple of years we could have a very good fullback/wingback just about to enter his peak years. I disagree with the opinion that his crossing is poor, it's not consistent but sometimes his crosses are in exactly the right sort of place at the right pace. With coaching I have confidence that he will start hitting those sort of crosses more often and if Brown improves his anticipation they could become a real threat. I also have a theory that friends play well together and I don't think it's a secret that Tymon and Campbell get on well so there could be potential there. It would be looking at the bigger picture and not turning a blind eye to the situation we're in to me. Absolutely. Since when has Tymon turned into a 5 million pound player? Just paper talk anyway
|
|
|
Post by FullerMagic on Jun 7, 2022 8:24:32 GMT
|
|
|
Post by medwaypotter on Jun 7, 2022 8:28:21 GMT
He's only just 23 - born in May. Amazing how long he seems to have been around. To consider letting him leave for £5 million is small minded money grabbing to me. To get a player of his age, experience, ability and potential would cost just as much and would probably not work. To suggest as someone else did that we could get two full backs for that money just smells of accepting mediocrity. Tymon has been very determined to succeed at Stoke - there have been several times when he could have just given up and taken a move to a lesser club. That bodes well for his continued development here and in another couple of years we could have a very good fullback/wingback just about to enter his peak years. I disagree with the opinion that his crossing is poor, it's not consistent but sometimes his crosses are in exactly the right sort of place at the right pace. With coaching I have confidence that he will start hitting those sort of crosses more often and if Brown improves his anticipation they could become a real threat. I also have a theory that friends play well together and I don't think it's a secret that Tymon and Campbell get on well so there could be potential there. 5 million could transform this squad, there’s nothing small time about that thinking. Might of done 15 years ago, not a chance these days.
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 7, 2022 8:29:50 GMT
5 million could transform this squad, there’s nothing small time about that thinking. Might of done 15 years ago, not a chance these days. Why not? Prices have collapsed. We could sign 2/3 players that make the squad better for that.
|
|
|
Post by FullerMagic on Jun 7, 2022 8:31:19 GMT
5 million could transform this squad, there’s nothing small time about that thinking. Might of done 15 years ago, not a chance these days. £5m is a lot more valuable in today's Championship than it was 3 or 4 years ago though. It's a different world to Rowett's Supermarket Sweep summer, or even a couple of years after that when teams like Bristol City were giving it a go. I'd be surprised if more than 3-4 teams spent £1m on a player this summer. £5m would be a real windfall
|
|
|
Post by nottsover60 on Jun 7, 2022 8:40:48 GMT
He's only just 23 - born in May. Amazing how long he seems to have been around. To consider letting him leave for £5 million is small minded money grabbing to me. To get a player of his age, experience, ability and potential would cost just as much and would probably not work. To suggest as someone else did that we could get two full backs for that money just smells of accepting mediocrity. Tymon has been very determined to succeed at Stoke - there have been several times when he could have just given up and taken a move to a lesser club. That bodes well for his continued development here and in another couple of years we could have a very good fullback/wingback just about to enter his peak years. I disagree with the opinion that his crossing is poor, it's not consistent but sometimes his crosses are in exactly the right sort of place at the right pace. With coaching I have confidence that he will start hitting those sort of crosses more often and if Brown improves his anticipation they could become a real threat. I also have a theory that friends play well together and I don't think it's a secret that Tymon and Campbell get on well so there could be potential there. It would be looking at the bigger picture and not turning a blind eye to the situation we're in to me. That's what I'm trying to do. I know we're bound a bit financially but only because of FFP not because we are in financial trouble thanks to the Coates. (I am strongly against the current FFP rules on that one but another topic). To me £5million isn't the sort of figure to really help out there. As we've seen a couple of £2/3 million players will not guarantee a huge improvement to the squad and selling a young player like Tymon will only create another gap in the squad to be filled. I think the bigger picture has to look forward as well as to the current squad and Tymon is definitely one for the future. If the offer was similar to the money we got for Collins (although I thought that was borderline) then I would perhaps see the point of selling. Or if it was for someone like Powell who is not going to increase in value and could go on a free next year, then as important as I think he is to the team then I could accept it but Tymon for £5 million is a no from me.
|
|
|
Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 7, 2022 8:42:17 GMT
Might of done 15 years ago, not a chance these days. £5m is a lot more valuable in today's Championship than it was 3 or 4 years ago though. It's a different world to Rowett's Supermarket Sweep summer, or even a couple of years after that when teams like Bristol City were giving it a go. I'd be surprised if more than 3-4 teams spent £1m on a player this summer. £5m would be a real windfall They could probably make £5M available fairly easily with financial shenanigans. We’re quite late to the party but seem to be getting a better idea of the game just lately.
|
|
|
Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 7, 2022 8:56:09 GMT
It would be looking at the bigger picture and not turning a blind eye to the situation we're in to me. That's what I'm trying to do. I know we're bound a bit financially but only because of FFP not because we are in financial trouble thanks to the Coates. (I am strongly against the current FFP rules on that one but another topic). To me £5million isn't the sort of figure to really help out there. As we've seen a couple of £2/3 million players will not guarantee a huge improvement to the squad and selling a young player like Tymon will only create another gap in the squad to be filled. I think the bigger picture has to look forward as well as to the current squad and Tymon is definitely one for the future. If the offer was similar to the money we got for Collins (although I thought that was borderline) then I would perhaps see the point of selling. Or if it was for someone like Powell who is not going to increase in value and could go on a free next year, then as important as I think he is to the team then I could accept it but Tymon for £5 million is a no from me. So where does the money come from to improve the squad? We need quite a few new additions and as it stands no money to get them in. You're right there's no guarantee that a couple of players would improve the squad but there never is whatever the money spent is (see Rowett), but they could offer more than what one Tymon would, what you're suggesting is basically stay as we are, get a few frees/loans in and take a gamble on Tymon maybe being worth a few million more in the future by which time we would/may have wasted another season maybe two stagnating. Obviously this assumes there's any real substance in the rumor.
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 7, 2022 9:03:30 GMT
It would be looking at the bigger picture and not turning a blind eye to the situation we're in to me. That's what I'm trying to do. I know we're bound a bit financially but only because of FFP not because we are in financial trouble thanks to the Coates. (I am strongly against the current FFP rules on that one but another topic). To me £5million isn't the sort of figure to really help out there. As we've seen a couple of £2/3 million players will not guarantee a huge improvement to the squad and selling a young player like Tymon will only create another gap in the squad to be filled. I think the bigger picture has to look forward as well as to the current squad and Tymon is definitely one for the future. If the offer was similar to the money we got for Collins (although I thought that was borderline) then I would perhaps see the point of selling. Or if it was for someone like Powell who is not going to increase in value and could go on a free next year, then as important as I think he is to the team then I could accept it but Tymon for £5 million is a no from me. Your first sentence is a total irrelvance though isn't it? We're bound by FFP so have to sell to buy. The Coates' are irrelevant, which is nuts but that's the situation.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2022 9:26:46 GMT
He's a decent player.
If Rangers' interest is genuine, then I'd imagine he will be all over wanting to go there, so we get what we can and let him go to raise much needed funds to improve our squad.
He will look like a world beater up there.
|
|
|
Post by tqstokie on Jun 7, 2022 9:27:17 GMT
for 5m, I'd give him a lift up there!
|
|
|
Post by nottsover60 on Jun 7, 2022 9:31:52 GMT
That's what I'm trying to do. I know we're bound a bit financially but only because of FFP not because we are in financial trouble thanks to the Coates. (I am strongly against the current FFP rules on that one but another topic). To me £5million isn't the sort of figure to really help out there. As we've seen a couple of £2/3 million players will not guarantee a huge improvement to the squad and selling a young player like Tymon will only create another gap in the squad to be filled. I think the bigger picture has to look forward as well as to the current squad and Tymon is definitely one for the future. If the offer was similar to the money we got for Collins (although I thought that was borderline) then I would perhaps see the point of selling. Or if it was for someone like Powell who is not going to increase in value and could go on a free next year, then as important as I think he is to the team then I could accept it but Tymon for £5 million is a no from me. Your first sentence is a total irrelvance though isn't it? We're bound by FFP so have to sell to buy. The Coates' are irrelevant, which is nuts but that's the situation. Get what you're saying but my point is that we are not in a perilous state financially and I would favour keeping Tymon rather than creating another gap to fill and look at frees and loans or young players who may only cost hundreds of thousand rather than millions. I don't always believe the line that we have to sell to buy either. Sure we can't spend millions but we don't want to go round saying we've got money to spend as we are keen to ensure other clubs realise we are in the same boat as every other club and they don't start raising the asking price. In all honesty last year's squad should have been good enough for at least the play offs.
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 7, 2022 9:43:08 GMT
Your first sentence is a total irrelvance though isn't it? We're bound by FFP so have to sell to buy. The Coates' are irrelevant, which is nuts but that's the situation. Get what you're saying but my point is that we are not in a perilous state financially and I would favour keeping Tymon rather than creating another gap to fill and look at frees and loans or young players who may only cost hundreds of thousand rather than millions. I don't always believe the line that we have to sell to buy either. Sure we can't spend millions but we don't want to go round saying we've got money to spend as we are keen to ensure other clubs realise we are in the same boat as every other club and they don't start raising the asking price. In all honesty last year's squad should have been good enough for at least the play offs. We aren't but we won't be able to spend much maybe anything without selling. Loans cost money, THB and JPB probably used up most of the Surridge money.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2022 9:44:25 GMT
Your first sentence is a total irrelvance though isn't it? We're bound by FFP so have to sell to buy. The Coates' are irrelevant, which is nuts but that's the situation. Get what you're saying but my point is that we are not in a perilous state financially and I would favour keeping Tymon rather than creating another gap to fill and look at frees and loans or young players who may only cost hundreds of thousand rather than millions. I don't always believe the line that we have to sell to buy either. Sure we can't spend millions but we don't want to go round saying we've got money to spend as we are keen to ensure other clubs realise we are in the same boat as every other club and they don't start raising the asking price. In all honesty last year's squad should have been good enough for at least the play offs. Perfect in a perfect world. You are also completely dismissing the notion that the player himself might be all over wanting to go to a massive football club.
|
|
|
Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 7, 2022 10:02:43 GMT
Get what you're saying but my point is that we are not in a perilous state financially and I would favour keeping Tymon rather than creating another gap to fill and look at frees and loans or young players who may only cost hundreds of thousand rather than millions. I don't always believe the line that we have to sell to buy either. Sure we can't spend millions but we don't want to go round saying we've got money to spend as we are keen to ensure other clubs realise we are in the same boat as every other club and they don't start raising the asking price. In all honesty last year's squad should have been good enough for at least the play offs. We aren't but we won't be able to spend much maybe anything without selling. Loans cost money, THB and JPB probably used up most of the Surridge money. We’ll see. I don’t really get how a person can in one post say we definitely don’t have any wiggle room for bringing in players without selling one of our better prospects. Yet in other posts completely dismiss our finances as being limiting enough to excuse our finishing positions being on a par with our financial room for manoeuvre. Our finances are able to compete with all bar parachute clubs. If they were that keen on spending money they’d find a way.
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 7, 2022 10:12:37 GMT
We aren't but we won't be able to spend much maybe anything without selling. Loans cost money, THB and JPB probably used up most of the Surridge money. We’ll see. I don’t really get how a person can in one post say we definitely don’t have any wiggle room for bringing in players without selling one of our better prospects. Yet in other posts completely dismiss our finances as being limiting enough to excuse our finishing positions being on a par with our financial room for manoeuvre. Our finances are able to compete with all bar parachute clubs. If they were that keen on spending money they’d find a way. The way is by selling a player. Really not sure how anyone doesn't get the position we're in with money by now?
|
|