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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 7, 2023 19:19:20 GMT
Interesting 7 minute interview with Josh on the Swansea YouTube channel,had his medical in Manchester last Friday(deadline day) and didn’t arrive until 12-30/1 am Saturday morning They all say the same things about the welcome, the group, the stadium, the fans, facilities etc. don't they? They do mate,I just found it interesting that he’d had his medical in Manchester and the deal went through whilst he was travelling down.I suppose it’s common place though nowadays
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Post by nottsover60 on Sept 7, 2023 19:36:12 GMT
I have always had a lot of empathy for Josh. I'm not surprised at his lovely messages which I am sure are heartfelt not platitudes. He has always struck me as someone who has a genuine love for the club and always gave his best. For that reason I hated reading criticism of him. I get that he doesn't fit the system but am genuinely sad to see him go. And dare I say it, I don't mind if he has a good game against us and proves some of his critics wrong
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Post by baconburger on Sept 7, 2023 19:44:40 GMT
I have always had a lot of empathy for Josh. I'm not surprised at his lovely messages which I am sure are heartfelt not platitudes. He has always struck me as someone who has a genuine love for the club and always gave his best. For that reason I hated reading criticism of him. I get that he doesn't fit the system but am genuinely sad to see him go. And dare I say it, I don't mind if he has a good game against us and proves some of his critics wrong Good player who didn’t endear himself to a very dour fan base. I hope he goes on to have a good career when not vs Stoke.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 7, 2023 20:30:44 GMT
Do Swansea play 3 at the back these days?
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Post by musik on Sept 8, 2023 10:44:36 GMT
Had no idea we've sold our best defender, especially now when Hoever isn't in form. One of my top 3 or top 5 players in the squad probably.
A sad day.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 8, 2023 10:50:12 GMT
Had no idea we've sold our best defender, especially now when Hoever isn't in form. One of my top 3 or top 5 players in the squad probably. A sad day. Have to hope Junior can make the step up. I wouldn’t say Hoever is out of form. He has a goal and assists at this early stage of the season. That’s pretty decent. Those who keep slating him just want a more defensive type. I think it could be a bit of Stockholm syndrome.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 8, 2023 10:53:00 GMT
Do Swansea play 3 at the back these days? Yes. They did under Martin and then appointed Duff who also plays that way. The dark witchcraft of 'continuity'.
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Post by musik on Sept 8, 2023 10:55:02 GMT
Had no idea we've sold our best defender, especially now when Hoever isn't in form. One of my top 3 or top 5 players in the squad probably. A sad day. Have to hope Junior can make the step up. I wouldn’t say Hoever is out of form. He has a goal and assists at this early stage of the season. That’s pretty decent. Those who keep slating him just want a more defensive type. I think it could be a bit of Stockholm syndrome. I'm really glad you wrote Hoever isn't out of form. When he first came here I think he was absolutely our #1 player! This season so far I've only seen the Highlights at the official website and the whole game away to Ipswich. So obviously I've missed a lot of action. I have been affected too much perhaps on what others have written here, ranking points etc.
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Post by cvillestokie on Sept 8, 2023 11:00:30 GMT
Have to hope Junior can make the step up. I wouldn’t say Hoever is out of form. He has a goal and assists at this early stage of the season. That’s pretty decent. Those who keep slating him just want a more defensive type. I think it could be a bit of Stockholm syndrome. I'm really glad you wrote Hoever isn't out of form. When he first came here I think he was absolutely our #1 player! This season so far I've only seen the Highlights at the official website and the whole game away to Ipswich. So obviously I've missed a lot of action. I have relied too much perhaps on what others have written here, ranking points etc. Yes,, Hoever’s not really been at it. He’s a defender who’s best strength comes from scoring goals. When he’s not doing that, he’s a defender who’s not good at defending. If he’s here for the season, he’ll have plenty of time to improve. He had a good relationship with Brown. He’s suffered when he left. Now he has to build one from scratch with Leris. Their link up play was fair non-existent last week.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 8, 2023 11:01:43 GMT
Have to hope Junior can make the step up. I wouldn’t say Hoever is out of form. He has a goal and assists at this early stage of the season. That’s pretty decent. Those who keep slating him just want a more defensive type. I think it could be a bit of Stockholm syndrome. I'm really glad you wrote Hoever isn't out of form. When he first came here I think he was absolutely our #1 player! This season so far I've only seen the Highlights at the official website and the whole game away to Ipswich. So obviously I've missed a lot of action. I have relied too much perhaps on what others have written here, ranking points etc. He’s provided shall we say a few hairy moments defensively but that’s no shock. I haven’t looked at the stats but I know I’ve seen him score one and make two assists so that’s minimum not shabby for a FB at this early stage.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 8, 2023 11:03:30 GMT
I'm really glad you wrote Hoever isn't out of form. When he first came here I think he was absolutely our #1 player! This season so far I've only seen the Highlights at the official website and the whole game away to Ipswich. So obviously I've missed a lot of action. I have relied too much perhaps on what others have written here, ranking points etc. Yes,, Hoever’s not really been at it. He’s a defender who’s best strength comes from scoring goals. When he’s not doing that, he’s a defender who’s not good at defending. So what attacking FB’s are scoring and assisting more regularly at this level?
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Post by cvillestokie on Sept 8, 2023 11:11:04 GMT
Yes,, Hoever’s not really been at it. He’s a defender who’s best strength comes from scoring goals. When he’s not doing that, he’s a defender who’s not good at defending. So what attacking FB’s are scoring and assisting more regularly at this level? Who knows. I don’t watch other teams play football in this awful league. To try to answer your question, there are 15 teams currently doing better than us (5 games in, so who cares). I imagine that at least a few of them have full backs who have contributed more as a whole, than Hoever has to us this year. 1 official goal and 1 official assist isn’t bad but he hasn’t offered much else. As I added to my last post, he’s now got a new forward partner. It will take time for him to learn how to work with him.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 8, 2023 11:15:48 GMT
So what attacking FB’s are scoring and assisting more regularly at this level? Who knows. I don’t watch other teams play football in this awful league. To try to answer your question, there are 15 teams currently doing better than us (5 games in, so who cares). I imagine that at least a few of them have full backs who have contributed more as a whole, than Hoever has to us this year. As I added to my last post, he’s now got a new forward partner. It will take time for him to learn how to work with him. Thanks I think what you mean is probably none. Aren’t the only games we’ve won those in which he’s scored or assisted. Hmm let me have a think about your contribution angle actually no it’s bollox.
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Post by cvillestokie on Sept 8, 2023 11:35:08 GMT
Who knows. I don’t watch other teams play football in this awful league. To try to answer your question, there are 15 teams currently doing better than us (5 games in, so who cares). I imagine that at least a few of them have full backs who have contributed more as a whole, than Hoever has to us this year. As I added to my last post, he’s now got a new forward partner. It will take time for him to learn how to work with him. Thanks I think what you mean is probably none. Aren’t the only games we’ve won those in which he’s scored or assisted. Hmm let me have a think about your contribution angle actually no it’s bollox. Okay, well if you want to judge a defender purely by their attacking output, then he’s contributed nothing in 60% of the games he’s played. This season, Hoever’s been far from bombing down the wing, he doesn’t take on his man, he hasn’t put great crosses in that people have just not got on the end of. It’s really early in the season but if you want to judge him on his attacking output, he’s had more bad games than good.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 8, 2023 11:46:59 GMT
Thanks I think what you mean is probably none. Aren’t the only games we’ve won those in which he’s scored or assisted. Hmm let me have a think about your contribution angle actually no it’s bollox. Okay, well if you want to judge a defender purely by their attacking output, then he’s contributed nothing in 60% of the games he’s played. This season, Hoever’s been far from bombing down the wing, he doesn’t take on his man, he hasn’t put great crosses in that people have just not got on the end of. It’s really early in the season but if you want to judge him on his attacking output, he’s had more bad games than good. Again sounds like bollox to me. If you had a forward who was producing output/end product in 60% of their games you’d be pretty pleased with them never mind a FB. He obviously has put good balls in. Maybe you don’t know what good balls into our forward line look like. Gooch put in some nice looking crosses when he came on as sub but they were unlikely to be productive because we don’t have players in the box who are competent in the air. Even our big CF has no real history of scoring headed goals.
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Post by cvillestokie on Sept 8, 2023 12:04:21 GMT
Okay, well if you want to judge a defender purely by their attacking output, then he’s contributed nothing in 60% of the games he’s played. This season, Hoever’s been far from bombing down the wing, he doesn’t take on his man, he hasn’t put great crosses in that people have just not got on the end of. It’s really early in the season but if you want to judge him on his attacking output, he’s had more bad games than good. Again sounds like bollox to me. If you had a forward who was producing output/end product in 60% of their games you’d be pretty pleased with them never mind a FB. He obviously has put good balls in. Maybe you don’t know what good balls into our forward line look like. Gooch put in some nice looking crosses when he came on as sub but they were unlikely to be productive because we don’t have players in the box who are competent in the air. Even our big CF has no real history of scoring headed goals. No, you misread. He’s generated output in 40% of our games. In 60%, he’s done nothing with regards to the metrics (goals/assists) that you want to focus on. Scott Hogan is a good example of judging a player by only one metric and ignoring the rest. Hogan was a poacher and in games where he didn’t score, he was crap. He was great at Brentford where he was scoring enough/peeling off the shoulder to create chances with the space he drew. Good enough to ignore the deficiencies but we saw what it was like with him when he didn’t score. I did notice that when Gooch came on, we looked better, yes. We looked semi-threatening when he replaced Hoever and started overlapping Campbell and putting in decent crosses.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 8, 2023 12:12:54 GMT
Again sounds like bollox to me. If you had a forward who was producing output/end product in 60% of their games you’d be pretty pleased with them never mind a FB. He obviously has put good balls in. Maybe you don’t know what good balls into our forward line look like. Gooch put in some nice looking crosses when he came on as sub but they were unlikely to be productive because we don’t have players in the box who are competent in the air. Even our big CF has no real history of scoring headed goals. No, you misread. He’s generated output in 40% of our games. In 60%, he’s done nothing with regards to the metrics (goals/assists) that you want to focus on. Scott Hogan is a good example of judging a player by only one metric and ignoring the rest. Hogan was a poacher and in games where he didn’t score, he was crap. He was great at Brentford where he was scoring enough/peeling off the shoulder to create chances with the space he drew. Good enough to ignore the deficiencies but we saw what it was like with him when he didn’t score. I did notice that when Gooch came on, we looked better, yes. We looked semi-threatening when he replaced Hoever and started overlapping Campbell and putting in decent crosses. Aerial balls aren’t good crosses with our forward line. We’re impotent from them even corners nobody attacks the ball in the air.
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Post by cvillestokie on Sept 8, 2023 12:18:48 GMT
No, you misread. He’s generated output in 40% of our games. In 60%, he’s done nothing with regards to the metrics (goals/assists) that you want to focus on. Scott Hogan is a good example of judging a player by only one metric and ignoring the rest. Hogan was a poacher and in games where he didn’t score, he was crap. He was great at Brentford where he was scoring enough/peeling off the shoulder to create chances with the space he drew. Good enough to ignore the deficiencies but we saw what it was like with him when he didn’t score. I did notice that when Gooch came on, we looked better, yes. We looked semi-threatening when he replaced Hoever and started overlapping Campbell and putting in decent crosses. Aerial balls aren’t good crosses with our forward line. We’re impotent from them even corners nobody attacks the ball in the air. Hoever’s one assist was an aerial ball. His one goal was also from an aerial ball.
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Post by baconburger on Sept 8, 2023 12:30:27 GMT
Aerial balls aren’t good crosses with our forward line. We’re impotent from them even corners nobody attacks the ball in the air. Hoever’s one assist was an aerial ball. His one goal was also from an aerial ball. Aerial as in they weren’t along the surface? Not aerial as in come and attack me with you head, that sort of ball isn’t really going to come through to the far post at shin/knee height. Pretty sure he got a goal and assist vs Rotherham that’s how I saw it anyway and another assist vs Watford. So he’s made a major contribution to the six points we have and whilst I agree he’s provided us with some hairy moments defensively how many league goals have we conceded that can be directly attributed to his errors. He’s a risk/reward selection so far I’d say he’s in credit.
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Post by jokker on Sept 9, 2023 18:48:11 GMT
We shall see about that when Swansea sell him for 7.2, a year or two from now to a bottom 14 club in the PL...will still be a bargain buy for the club that gets him then. I wouldn’t be surprised, we definitely didn’t sell at the top of his value. Stoke fans want to keep a clean sheet every week whatever the knock on effects of that so he’s best off somewhere else. Everybody likes to have their impossible dreams...
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