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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 28, 2022 17:08:45 GMT
Hudson all day long. He can stand proudly alongside the all-time greats like Cruyff, Beckenbauer, and Zidane, but his metabolism was completely different than theirs. They were proper athletes whereas Huddy was something of a dosser away from the game. His way of life said that he should never be on a football field, even in the lower leagues, to strut his stuff. I've been drinking in Florence Colliery Club until 3am with him and his buddy Geoff Salmons and later in the day, was also at The Vic with a real hangover when both him and Salmons were putting on a display of utter brilliance that simply defies logic. In reality, they shouldn't even have been able to lace their boots up. It's difficult to describe how Huddy played. He had the ability to glide over muddy pitches and yet control and pass the ball marvelously. My all-time favourite Stoke player is Smithy, but for sheer class and ability, nobody has even come close to his freakish, natural brilliance in all the many decades I've had watching Stoke. For the old 'uns on here, this piece in The Sent'null by Pete Smith will bring tears to your eyes. The Genius.OS. Absolutely spot on OS. Simply the most sublime footballer I have ever seen live. He really could ‘walk on water’ well mud anyway.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 28, 2022 17:40:18 GMT
Both brilliant brilliant players.
But no comparison to Zidane who was a truly world class footballer who could do everything. Won the lot as a player both at club and National level. A generational player with the likes of Pele, Maradonna, Cruyff, Ronaldo and Messi.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 18:36:14 GMT
Both brilliant brilliant players. But no comparison to Zidane who was a truly world class footballer who could do everything. Won the lot as a player both at club and National level. A generational player with the likes of Pele, Maradonna, Cruyff, Ronaldo and Messi. Zidane one of the all time greats. Don't compare in any way at all for sure
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Post by OldStokie on Apr 28, 2022 18:38:42 GMT
Hudson all day long. He can stand proudly alongside the all-time greats like Cruyff, Beckenbauer, and Zidane, but his metabolism was completely different than theirs. They were proper athletes whereas Huddy was something of a dosser away from the game. His way of life said that he should never be on a football field, even in the lower leagues, to strut his stuff. I've been drinking in Florence Colliery Club until 3am with him and his buddy Geoff Salmons and later in the day, was also at The Vic with a real hangover when both him and Salmons were putting on a display of utter brilliance that simply defies logic. In reality, they shouldn't even have been able to lace their boots up. It's difficult to describe how Huddy played. He had the ability to glide over muddy pitches and yet control and pass the ball marvelously. My all-time favourite Stoke player is Smithy, but for sheer class and ability, nobody has even come close to his freakish, natural brilliance in all the many decades I've had watching Stoke. For the old 'uns on here, this piece in The Sent'null by Pete Smith will bring tears to your eyes. The Genius.OS. I was a regular throughout Hudson's time at Stoke and he was brilliant but stand alongside Cruyff etc What have you been smoking? I don't smoke. Had England had a manager like Waddington and not that bastard Revie, when he was at his best, Hudson would have become one of England's greatest ever players. But no manager apart from Waddo would have tolerated his lifestyle off the park and selected him. The FA wouldn't have allowed it. But I'm not interested in the FA. I'm more interested in the thoughts of that brilliant manager, Bill Shankly, than I am of them. I don't retract my comments even slightly. OS.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 18:45:43 GMT
I was a regular throughout Hudson's time at Stoke and he was brilliant but stand alongside Cruyff etc What have you been smoking? I don't smoke. Had England had a manager like Waddington and not that bastard Revie, when he was at his best, Hudson would have become one of England's greatest ever players. But no manager apart from Waddo would have tolerated his lifestyle off the park and selected him. The FA wouldn't have allowed it. But I'm not interested in the FA. I'm more interested in the thoughts of that brilliant manager, Bill Shankly, than I am of them. I don't retract my comments even slightly. OS. What do you know? You remember Uruguay winning the World Cup and beating Ceylon in the group stages
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 28, 2022 18:49:23 GMT
Not to name drop but my mother had a few dates with George Best and said he was the most horrible man she’d ever had the misfortune to go out with. She does talk some bollocks mind. Anyway I digress……
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 28, 2022 18:51:05 GMT
Both brilliant brilliant players. But no comparison to Zidane who was a truly world class footballer who could do everything. Won the lot as a player both at club and National level. A generational player with the likes of Pele, Maradonna, Cruyff, Ronaldo and Messi. My highlight of Zidane was that exquisite volley in the champions league final. No one could do that if they tried it a thousand times. And of course when he butted that Italian in the chest in the World Cup final. That was pure class👌🏻
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 20:04:56 GMT
Both brilliant brilliant players. But no comparison to Zidane who was a truly world class footballer who could do everything. Won the lot as a player both at club and National level. A generational player with the likes of Pele, Maradonna, Cruyff, Ronaldo and Messi. My highlight of Zidane was that exquisite volley in the champions league final. No one could do that if they tried it a thousand times. And of course when he butted that Italian in the chest in the World Cup final. That was pure class👌🏻 Was at the WC final v Brazil. The 3-0 one. Right behind the goal where he scored twice . He was quite good
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Post by Veritas on Apr 28, 2022 21:44:25 GMT
I was a regular throughout Hudson's time at Stoke and he was brilliant but stand alongside Cruyff etc What have you been smoking? I don't smoke. Had England had a manager like Waddington and not that bastard Revie, when he was at his best, Hudson would have become one of England's greatest ever players. But no manager apart from Waddo would have tolerated his lifestyle off the park and selected him. The FA wouldn't have allowed it. But I'm not interested in the FA. I'm more interested in the thoughts of that brilliant manager, Bill Shankly, than I am of them. I don't retract my comments even slightly. OS. Each to his own but Hudson on a par with Cruyff, really?
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Post by hyaduck on Apr 28, 2022 21:45:02 GMT
Never realised that, Best was an absolute genius on the pitch, Gascoigne doesn’t even come close. Both of them are complete shithouses for beating their wives.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2022 21:50:50 GMT
Never realised that, Best was an absolute genius on the pitch, Gascoigne doesn’t even come close. Both of them are complete shithouses for beating their wives. Best was on a different planet to Gascoigne.Matt Busby allegedly pushed Best into settling down a bit as thought would calm his ways and the done thing .
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Post by hyaduck on Apr 29, 2022 2:15:42 GMT
Never realised that, Best was an absolute genius on the pitch, Gascoigne doesn’t even come close. Both of them are complete shithouses for beating their wives. Best was on a different planet to Gascoigne.Matt Busby allegedly pushed Best into settling down a bit as thought would calm his ways and the done thing . Anyone who thinks Gascoigne was remotely close to Best is delusional. Best was the best British player there ever was and includes Sir Stan.
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Post by hyaduck on Apr 29, 2022 2:17:28 GMT
I was a regular throughout Hudson's time at Stoke and he was brilliant but stand alongside Cruyff etc What have you been smoking? I don't smoke. Had England had a manager like Waddington and not that bastard Revie, when he was at his best, Hudson would have become one of England's greatest ever players. But no manager apart from Waddo would have tolerated his lifestyle off the park and selected him. The FA wouldn't have allowed it. But I'm not interested in the FA. I'm more interested in the thoughts of that brilliant manager, Bill Shankly, than I am of them. I don't retract my comments even slightly. OS. Well said our youth.
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Post by JoeinOz on Apr 29, 2022 4:30:38 GMT
I was a regular throughout Hudson's time at Stoke and he was brilliant but stand alongside Cruyff etc What have you been smoking? I don't smoke. Had England had a manager like Waddington and not that bastard Revie, when he was at his best, Hudson would have become one of England's greatest ever players. But no manager apart from Waddo would have tolerated his lifestyle off the park and selected him. The FA wouldn't have allowed it. But I'm not interested in the FA. I'm more interested in the thoughts of that brilliant manager, Bill Shankly, than I am of them. I don't retract my comments even slightly. OS. The mavericks are generally overrated. They all got caps but were ineffective overall. Apart from Hudson.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 6:53:14 GMT
I don't smoke. Had England had a manager like Waddington and not that bastard Revie, when he was at his best, Hudson would have become one of England's greatest ever players. But no manager apart from Waddo would have tolerated his lifestyle off the park and selected him. The FA wouldn't have allowed it. But I'm not interested in the FA. I'm more interested in the thoughts of that brilliant manager, Bill Shankly, than I am of them. I don't retract my comments even slightly. OS. The mavericks are generally overrated. They all got caps but were ineffective overall. Apart from Hudson. People easily forget the amount of times Gascoigne was pretty awful at international level. He had a spell where he should have been dropped. I remember part of a documentary where he had a mare v San Marino think it was and he's blaming the ball. Obviously the Scotland goal many associate him with, was another poor performance by him until that piece of great skill which like his 1990 performances were patchy at best in the Euros with a scattering of great skill. Biddle a far better player for me , didn't have the dribbling abilities but fantastic range and criminally under used.
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Post by lordb on Apr 29, 2022 7:18:03 GMT
Not to name drop but my mother had a few dates with George Best and said he was the most horrible man she’d ever had the misfortune to go out with. She does talk some bollocks mind. Anyway I digress…… So it's hereditary then😉
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Post by lordb on Apr 29, 2022 7:24:19 GMT
The mavericks are generally overrated. They all got caps but were ineffective overall. Apart from Hudson. People easily forget the amount of times Gascoigne was pretty awful at international level. He had a spell where he should have been dropped. I remember part of a documentary where he had a mare v San Marino think it was and he's blaming the ball. Obviously the Scotland goal many associate him with, was another poor performance by him until that piece of great skill which like his 1990 performances were patchy at best in the Euros with a scattering of great skill. Biddle a far better player for me , didn't have the dribbling abilities but fantastic range and criminally under used. Hoddle got lots of caps, 50+, he wasn't under used However he was used incorrectly Because we were wedded to 442 he played central midfield alongside Robson which made sense according to the thinking of the time however Wenger got the best out of him by copying David Pleats idea of playing him behind the striker in a 451 Had we done that for Euro 84 qualifiers the outcome would probably have been different Has we done that for Mexico 86 though we wouldn't have had Beardsley Lineker combination
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 7:45:35 GMT
People easily forget the amount of times Gascoigne was pretty awful at international level. He had a spell where he should have been dropped. I remember part of a documentary where he had a mare v San Marino think it was and he's blaming the ball. Obviously the Scotland goal many associate him with, was another poor performance by him until that piece of great skill which like his 1990 performances were patchy at best in the Euros with a scattering of great skill. Biddle a far better player for me , didn't have the dribbling abilities but fantastic range and criminally under used. Hoddle got lots of caps, 50+, he wasn't under used However he was used incorrectly Because we were wedded to 442 he played central midfield alongside Robson which made sense according to the thinking of the time however Wenger got the best out of him by copying David Pleats idea of playing him behind the striker in a 451 Had we done that for Euro 84 qualifiers the outcome would probably have been different Has we done that for Mexico 86 though we wouldn't have had Beardsley Lineker combination Biddle was left out when playing some great stuff at Monaco. Far inferior players were used when Hoddle in top form and paid for it .
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Post by hyaduck on Apr 29, 2022 8:30:42 GMT
England have had some shite managers from the 70s onwards, no ambition choosing those managers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 8:38:33 GMT
England have had some shite managers from the 70s onwards, no ambition choosing those managers. A bunch of yes men. Clough, Mourinho etc won things but not FA type managers. Nice, well spoken collar and tie man their ideal manager. Someone who would never go against the rules and speak out in any way.
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Post by hyaduck on Apr 29, 2022 8:47:22 GMT
England have had some shite managers from the 70s onwards, no ambition choosing those managers. A bunch of yes men. Clough, Mourinho etc won things but not FA type managers. Nice, well spoken collar and tie man their ideal manager. Someone who would never go against the rules and speak out in any way. Revie, Greenwood, Taylor, Wilkinson-brief, McClaren, Hodgson, Allardyce....Zero ambition appointing any of them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 8:51:48 GMT
A bunch of yes men. Clough, Mourinho etc won things but not FA type managers. Nice, well spoken collar and tie man their ideal manager. Someone who would never go against the rules and speak out in any way. Revie, Greenwood, Taylor, Wilkinson-brief, McClaren, Hodgson, Allardyce....Zero ambition appointing any of them. Interesting after Revie, how little of them actually won anything domestically. Very little silverware between them. Robson the exception
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Post by hyaduck on Apr 29, 2022 11:40:01 GMT
Revie, Greenwood, Taylor, Wilkinson-brief, McClaren, Hodgson, Allardyce....Zero ambition appointing any of them. Interesting after Revie, how little of them actually won anything domestically. Very little silverware between them. Robson the exception If you agreed to the FA’s rules you necessarily didn’t have to win anything domestically, you said yes and kept your mush shut
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 11:54:19 GMT
Interesting after Revie, how little of them actually won anything domestically. Very little silverware between them. Robson the exception If you agreed to the FA’s rules you necessarily didn’t have to win anything domestically, you said yes and kept your mush shut Clough allegedly did the opposite in his interview which he reckoned cost him the job
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Post by OldStokie on Apr 29, 2022 12:29:25 GMT
If you agreed to the FA’s rules you necessarily didn’t have to win anything domestically, you said yes and kept your mush shut Clough allegedly did the opposite in his interview which he reckoned cost him the job Spot on, Mr McMuffin. He applied for the job but the FA didn't like his straight talking. He most certainly would have ruffled many FA feathers had he been appointed. OS.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2022 12:40:02 GMT
Clough allegedly did the opposite in his interview which he reckoned cost him the job Spot on, Mr McMuffin. He applied for the job but the FA didn't like his straight talking. He most certainly would have ruffled many FA feathers had he been appointed. OS. Think he said he hated the current kit before they even had a chance to say anything to him. He was probably everything the FA didn't want. Ron Greenwood ticked every box I guess Saw Cloghie at Uttoxeter races a few weeks before he died. In fact if my Dad hadn't pointed him out would never have recognised him. He looked awful.
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Post by lordb on Apr 29, 2022 14:35:24 GMT
England have had some shite managers from the 70s onwards, no ambition choosing those managers. check out Capello & Svens CV pre England the FA could not have been more ambitious with those two Before them Keegan was popular choice, a was Venables Clough sticks out as the one they could have got but chose not to Robson & Taylor made sense at the time MacLaren...I think everyone thought that would fail & it did They tried for Mourinho (& whatever you think of him it was ambitious approach by the FA) & he nearly took the job Southgate did get Middlesbrough relegated & wasn't great for U21's imho & yet he's turned out to be the best England manager since Ramsey The top managers now don't take international jobs or at least not until the end of their careers, you won't see Klopp managing Germany for a very long time for e.g.
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Post by misterj on Apr 29, 2022 16:25:26 GMT
Hudson poor class Gascogne a maverick with not quite the same consistency, I’d vote Hudson!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 29, 2022 18:42:24 GMT
Hudson poor class Gascogne a maverick with not quite the same consistency, I’d vote Hudson Pure class possibly?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 29, 2022 18:43:49 GMT
England have had some shite managers from the 70s onwards, no ambition choosing those managers. check out Capello & Svens CV pre England the FA could not have been more ambitious with those two Before them Keegan was popular choice, a was Venables Clough sticks out as the one they could have got but chose not to Robson & Taylor made sense at the time MacLaren...I think everyone thought that would fail & it did They tried for Mourinho (& whatever you think of him it was ambitious approach by the FA) & he nearly took the job Southgate did get Middlesbrough relegated & wasn't great for U21's imho & yet he's turned out to be the best England manager since Ramsey The top managers now don't take international jobs or at least not until the end of their careers, you won't see Klopp managing Germany for a very long time for e.g. Thought Southgates U21 record was what got him the job, pretty good weren’t we? I may be wrong🤷🏻♂️
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