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Post by wakefieldstokie on Apr 22, 2022 12:28:28 GMT
Jon Parkin
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Apr 22, 2022 12:30:11 GMT
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Post by J-Roar on Apr 22, 2022 12:31:58 GMT
Who gave Sammy Mac stick? As with Hoekstra, I don't remember that. Hoekstra was only frustrating in that he only played if he was fully fit - when he played he was fucking incredible.
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Post by nott1 on Apr 22, 2022 13:06:03 GMT
I never understood why I was only a kid and he scored regularly Was it because he wasn't John Ritchie? Or because he was a bit of a wanker? He was way behing Ritchie in every respect but my main gripe was that being tall he should have been a brilliant header of the ball, alas he never jumped more than six inches off the ground. We were spoiled previously by Ritchie I suppose but I thought Chapman was was fairly inept. He did score a few goals as he had some good players around him supplying good chances anyone could score, mainly two yards from goal!
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 22, 2022 13:12:27 GMT
I never understood why I was only a kid and he scored regularly Was it because he wasn't John Ritchie? Or because he was a bit of a wanker? He was way behing Ritchie in every respect but my main gripe was that being tall he should have been a brilliant header of the ball, alas he never jumped more than six inches off the ground. We were spoiled previously by Ritchie I suppose but I thought Chapman was was fairly inept. He did score a few goals as he had some good players around him supplying good chances anyone could score, mainly two yards from goal Him and Crouch. Never saw him jump anywhere near as high to head the ball as he jumped to celebrate that volley.
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Post by callas12 on Apr 22, 2022 13:21:37 GMT
People used to give Hoekstra stick? Missed that... Ah yeah, there were a group of 5 or 6 older chaps in front of me in the Boothen who used to constantly shout abuse his way & sure they werent the only ones. Mainly about him being a fancy Dan and too lightweight and agile, Bambi on ice kind of thing. I always enjoyed watching Hoekstra and let's face it, he may not have had barnstorming games every single week but if he had been capable of that sustained quality he wouldn't of been plying his trade in front of 12k at the Britannia In the Championship would he?! Some of the glimpses we saw of Hoekstra were immense though. Numerous times he'd be penned in towards the corner flag and manage to bring it out with his slide of foot leaving the defender baffled in the corner wondering what had just happened was a thing of beauty! These were the same lot who used to give Bjarni proper dogs abuse aswell! Some folk are never happy are they?!
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Post by callas12 on Apr 22, 2022 13:24:20 GMT
Who gave Sammy Mac stick? As with Hoekstra, I don't remember that. Hoekstra was only frustrating in that he only played if he was fully fit - when he played he was fucking incredible. Weirdly enough some Stoke fans only like the blood and thunder type of players, Hoekstra was a joy to watch but for some the silky flair he used to display was not to their taste..
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 22, 2022 13:57:05 GMT
People used to give Hoekstra stick? Missed that... Ah yeah, there were a group of 5 or 6 older chaps in front of me in the Boothen who used to constantly shout abuse his way & sure they werent the only ones. Mainly about him being a fancy Dan and too lightweight and agile, Bambi on ice kind of thing. I always enjoyed watching Hoekstra and let's face it, he may not have had barnstorming games every single week but if he had been capable of that sustained quality he wouldn't of been plying his trade in front of 12k at the Britannia In the Championship would he? Some of the glimpses we saw of Hoekstra were immense though. Numerous times he'd be penned in towards the corner flag and manage to bring it out with his slide of foot leaving the defender baffled in the corner wondering what had just happened was a thing of beauty These were the same lot who used to give Bjarni proper dogs abuse aswell Some folk are never happy are they? Interesting, had always considered him one of the few Stoke players nobody had a bad word to say about, and he was adored by everyone where I sat at that time. Doesn't surprise me though, you only have to see the grief Powell gets on here. Not sure if it's like this at all clubs but there does seem to be a section of our fanbase with an inherent distrust of creative players. The expectation that they should be dazzling every single week and are a liability or luxury if they're not is mental.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2022 14:17:27 GMT
Ah yeah, there were a group of 5 or 6 older chaps in front of me in the Boothen who used to constantly shout abuse his way & sure they werent the only ones. Mainly about him being a fancy Dan and too lightweight and agile, Bambi on ice kind of thing. I always enjoyed watching Hoekstra and let's face it, he may not have had barnstorming games every single week but if he had been capable of that sustained quality he wouldn't of been plying his trade in front of 12k at the Britannia In the Championship would he? Some of the glimpses we saw of Hoekstra were immense though. Numerous times he'd be penned in towards the corner flag and manage to bring it out with his slide of foot leaving the defender baffled in the corner wondering what had just happened was a thing of beauty These were the same lot who used to give Bjarni proper dogs abuse aswell Some folk are never happy are they? Interesting, had always considered him one of the few Stoke players nobody had a bad word to say about, and he was adored by everyone where I sat at that time. Doesn't surprise me though, you only have to see the grief Powell gets on here. Not sure if it's like this at all clubs but there does seem to be a section of our fanbase with an inherent distrust of creative players. The expectation that they should be dazzling every single week and are a liability or luxury if they're not is mental. Very true Toxie. A luxury player if the right word doesn't look great if the team not performing. Baggio in the USA came in for almighty stick at home in the early games at the World Cup as an example at the highest level. They can look lazy as rely on the dirty work around them as well.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 22, 2022 14:22:07 GMT
Interesting, had always considered him one of the few Stoke players nobody had a bad word to say about, and he was adored by everyone where I sat at that time. Doesn't surprise me though, you only have to see the grief Powell gets on here. Not sure if it's like this at all clubs but there does seem to be a section of our fanbase with an inherent distrust of creative players. The expectation that they should be dazzling every single week and are a liability or luxury if they're not is mental. Very true Toxie. A luxury player if the right word doesn't look great if the team not performing. Baggio in the USA came in for almighty stick at home in the early games at the World Cup as an example at the highest level. They can look lazy as rely on the dirty work around them as well. Definitely. Weirdly on here though the mere suggestion of having a whiff of a trick about you means you're written off as a lazy fancy dan even if you are actually a pretty hard worker by the standards of the genre. Arnie frequently made lung-bursting runs to track runners. Powell if anything is guilty of getting dragged too deep into the muck and bullets and running battles in midfield where he's less effective. Both were dismissed by some on here as workshy malingerers, presumably because their detractors saw them do a rabona once and it left them feeling all hot and confused.
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Post by spiderpuss on Apr 22, 2022 14:44:58 GMT
Keith Scott Ian Allisson Graham Shaw Gordon Marshall Graham Shaw doesnt belong on the same page as those other 3 clowns I wouldn't want that lot back in the National league.
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Post by hudson74 on Apr 22, 2022 14:45:04 GMT
Stevie Waddington
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Post by J-Roar on Apr 22, 2022 14:49:41 GMT
Who gave Sammy Mac stick? As with Hoekstra, I don't remember that. Hoekstra was only frustrating in that he only played if he was fully fit - when he played he was fucking incredible. Weirdly enough some Stoke fans only like the blood and thunder type of players, Hoekstra was a joy to watch but for some the silky flair he used to display was not to their taste.. Pearls before swine.
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Post by spiderpuss on Apr 22, 2022 14:49:42 GMT
Interesting, had always considered him one of the few Stoke players nobody had a bad word to say about, and he was adored by everyone where I sat at that time. Doesn't surprise me though, you only have to see the grief Powell gets on here. Not sure if it's like this at all clubs but there does seem to be a section of our fanbase with an inherent distrust of creative players. The expectation that they should be dazzling every single week and are a liability or luxury if they're not is mental. Very true Toxie. A luxury player if the right word doesn't look great if the team not performing. Baggio in the USA came in for almighty stick at home in the early games at the World Cup as an example at the highest level. They can look lazy as rely on the dirty work around them as well. As good an opportunity as any to dust this down
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Post by J-Roar on Apr 22, 2022 14:50:59 GMT
Very true Toxie. A luxury player if the right word doesn't look great if the team not performing. Baggio in the USA came in for almighty stick at home in the early games at the World Cup as an example at the highest level. They can look lazy as rely on the dirty work around them as well. Definitely. Weirdly on here though the mere suggestion of having a whiff of a trick about you means you're written off as a lazy fancy dan even if you are actually a pretty hard worker by the standards of the genre. Arnie frequently made lung-bursting runs to track runners. Powell if anything is guilty of getting dragged too deep into the muck and bullets and running battles in midfield where he's less effective. Both were dismissed by some on here as workshy malingerers, presumably because their detractors saw them do a rabona once and it left them feeling all hot and confused. Throw being a Johnny Foreigner in and they may as well forget it.
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Post by tachyon on Apr 22, 2022 14:58:55 GMT
I thought Chapman was was fairly inept. He did score a few goals as he had some good players around him supplying good chances anyone could score, mainly two yards from goal Came across Lee in 1977 when we were both trying to impress George Eastham pre season. Nice kid, we warmed up by jogging around the Victoria Ground running track together. A team of scratch reserves/trialists beat the first team 1-0 in a 40 minute game on the practice pitches at the back of the Boothen End. Lee crossed it, I tapped it in at the far post. (Shilton, if I recall correctly). Just a flimsy excuse to boast about scoring the winner against Stoke's 77/78 team, really :-)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2022 15:05:04 GMT
I thought Chapman was was fairly inept. He did score a few goals as he had some good players around him supplying good chances anyone could score, mainly two yards from goal Came across Lee in 1977 when we were both trying to impress George Eastham pre season. Nice kid, we warmed up by jogging around the Victoria Ground running track together. A team of scratch reserves/trialists beat the first team 1-0 in a 40 minute game on the practice pitches at the back of the Boothen End. Lee crossed it, I tapped it in at the far post. (Shilton, if I recall correctly). Just a flimsy excuse to boast about scoring the winner against Stoke's 77/78 team, really :-) I scored at Athletico Bilbao's ground as a kid but v no one famous 😄. A few weeks later Bryan Robson scored in the same goal v France. Mine was better.
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Post by outspaced on Apr 22, 2022 15:06:20 GMT
I was at QPR on Hoekstra's debut and the memory is clouded but I'm sure I remember him on the left wing near the dugouts faced with their right back and he scooped the ball up over his head and set off down the wing. An outrageous piece of skill that I couldn't believe I'd seen at a 3rd tier match. Which is why I'm a bit doubtful it really happened!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2022 15:07:59 GMT
I was at QPR on Hoekstra's debut and the memory is clouded but I'm sure I remember him on the left wing near the dugouts faced with their right back and he scooped the ball up over his head and set off down the wing. An outrageous piece of skill that I couldn't believe I'd seen at a 3rd tier match. Which is why I'm a bit doubtful it really happened Was one v Reading where the defender ended up actually looking the other way for him after he'd gone past him
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Post by tachyon on Apr 22, 2022 16:42:58 GMT
Came across Lee in 1977 when we were both trying to impress George Eastham pre season. Nice kid, we warmed up by jogging around the Victoria Ground running track together. A team of scratch reserves/trialists beat the first team 1-0 in a 40 minute game on the practice pitches at the back of the Boothen End. Lee crossed it, I tapped it in at the far post. (Shilton, if I recall correctly). Just a flimsy excuse to boast about scoring the winner against Stoke's 77/78 team, really :-) I scored at Athletico Bilbao's ground as a kid but v no one famous 😄. A few weeks later Bryan Robson scored in the same goal v France. Mine was better. But was it as quick :-)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2022 16:48:42 GMT
I scored at Athletico Bilbao's ground as a kid but v no one famous 😄. A few weeks later Bryan Robson scored in the same goal v France. Mine was better. But was it as quick :-) 😄. Not quite. We beat a team from Santander 1-0. My version of the goal got exaggerated as years went on. Was about 18 yards but now about 35 yards. School football trip. Mad we were allowed to play on a World cup pitch
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Post by lordb on Apr 22, 2022 16:54:44 GMT
I thought Chapman was was fairly inept. He did score a few goals as he had some good players around him supplying good chances anyone could score, mainly two yards from goal Came across Lee in 1977 when we were both trying to impress George Eastham pre season. Nice kid, we warmed up by jogging around the Victoria Ground running track together. A team of scratch reserves/trialists beat the first team 1-0 in a 40 minute game on the practice pitches at the back of the Boothen End. Lee crossed it, I tapped it in at the far post. (Shilton, if I recall correctly). Just a flimsy excuse to boast about scoring the winner against Stoke's 77/78 team, really :-) No excuse required, if it was me I'd be trotting it out daily
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Post by lordb on Apr 22, 2022 16:55:46 GMT
I was at QPR on Hoekstra's debut and the memory is clouded but I'm sure I remember him on the left wing near the dugouts faced with their right back and he scooped the ball up over his head and set off down the wing. An outrageous piece of skill that I couldn't believe I'd seen at a 3rd tier match. Which is why I'm a bit doubtful it really happened He did it a few times, no fluke, outrageous talent
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Post by callas12 on Apr 22, 2022 17:55:26 GMT
Weirdly enough some Stoke fans only like the blood and thunder type of players, Hoekstra was a joy to watch but for some the silky flair he used to display was not to their taste.. Pearls before swine. Lol never heard that phrase before, just had a quick Google check & yes that description definitely fits the bill!
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Post by kjpt140v on Apr 22, 2022 19:22:07 GMT
99% of them, we have a bunch of moaners for fans.
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Post by potter1989 on Apr 22, 2022 20:12:15 GMT
James Chester 😳
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Post by stokefc on Apr 22, 2022 21:15:30 GMT
I don't think anybody would want Chester back in the team unless you're a complete and utter flopwit
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Post by Fred Merger on Apr 22, 2022 21:20:15 GMT
Who gave Sammy Mac stick? As with Hoekstra, I don't remember that. Hoekstra was only frustrating in that he only played if he was fully fit - when he played he was fucking incredible. Plenty gave both stick if u were there at the ground. Mcllroy was our record signing at the time. 350k I think and Hoekstra was a little bit nesh in the tackle but on his day eg versus Reading was unplayable.
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Post by J-Roar on Apr 22, 2022 22:11:00 GMT
Who gave Sammy Mac stick? As with Hoekstra, I don't remember that. Hoekstra was only frustrating in that he only played if he was fully fit - when he played he was fucking incredible. Plenty gave both stick if u were there at the ground. Mcllroy was our record signing at the time. 350k I think and Hoekstra was a little bit nesh in the tackle but on his day eg versus Reading was unplayable. I was at the ground and can't remember it for either. Not saying it didn't happen. Anyone expecting Hoekstra to put himself about must have been a bit dim.
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Post by potter1989 on Apr 22, 2022 23:14:14 GMT
I don't think anybody would want Chester back in the team unless you're a complete and utter flopwit We miss his experience and leadership
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