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Post by iamstokie on Apr 9, 2022 19:36:55 GMT
Why are we championing 3 wins out of 4? What about the other 37 games these so called ‘professionals’ have bothered to turn up at ? A win is a win but don’t start lauding them up…..they’ve got a LOT to make up for Same reason the neggos were putting out 1 win in 12 a couple of weeks ago. But isn't 3 wins out of 4 something to be pleased about? The 3 out of 4 is also 3 out of 14 , all depends on the rose coloured specs I suppose
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Post by scfc1863 on Apr 9, 2022 19:50:11 GMT
Then why don’t they consistently perform ? The shit manager and his negative tactics. Can’t quite see negative tactics in a 3-1 away win.
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Post by onefatcopper on Apr 9, 2022 19:52:56 GMT
Don't agree.Most of our defeats have been made by silly mistakes and unforced errors.This team has been ridiculously inconsistent.This the way we set up,tactics bollocks really doesn't wash.We have conspired to lose games we have totally dominated by making the wrong decisions on the field of play. Set up and tactics are one of the biggest things in football. And too often he’s fucked that up. How have you gained your knowledge about tactics ? Was it through learning from coaches and managers from your early days as a apprentice through to the pinnacle of being a professional ? Or as a manager/coach was it more a trial and error process before your own tactics began to gain traction until you and your teams reaped the rewards
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2022 20:01:28 GMT
Set up and tactics are one of the biggest things in football. And too often he’s fucked that up. How have you gained your knowledge about tactics ? Was it through learning from coaches and managers from your early days as a apprentice through to the pinnacle of being a professional ? Or as a manager/coach was it more a trial and error process before your own tactics began to gain traction until you and your teams reaped the rewards You don’t need to be any of them to understand football tactics 😂😂🤦♂️
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Apr 9, 2022 20:02:14 GMT
The players have never been the issue. O'Neill has an awful record in the transfer market according to you in another thread. Doesn't that by default make the players the issue?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2022 20:04:17 GMT
The players have never been the issue. O'Neill has an awful record in the transfer market according to you in another thread. Doesn't that by default make the players the issue? I think he’s signed ones that don’t fit his systems or ones that are straight up shit. That’s his issue. Not theirs.
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Post by hughjarse on Apr 9, 2022 20:05:43 GMT
The players have never been the issue. Wow ! I can't quite get my head round this. MON has been far from perfect but individual mistakes have certainly cost us dearly this season and many would also say that a lack of effort has also been an issue in a number of games. Blame needs to be fairly apportioned across the board.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2022 20:07:49 GMT
The players have never been the issue. Wow ! I can't quite get my head round this. MON has been far from perfect but individual mistakes have certainly cost us dearly this season and many would also say that a lack of effort has also been an issue in a number of games. Blame needs to be fairly apportioned across the board. The lack of effort stuff isn’t true though for me. They’ve never really given up. Mistakes happen especially when you’re trying to play a way and don’t have the players for it. That again is more on the manager and not adapting.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 9, 2022 20:12:03 GMT
The players have never been the issue. Wow ! I can't quite get my head round this. MON has been far from perfect but individual mistakes have certainly cost us dearly this season and many would also say that a lack of effort has also been an issue in a number of games. Blame needs to be fairly apportioned across the board. On a night like this you're better off logging off from the bayern show and watching Quest and MOTD instead. He's in stubborn, whiny, narcissist mode, just let him get it out of his system........
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Post by dutchstokie on Apr 9, 2022 20:16:20 GMT
Err yes they have, and that doesn't mean I exonerate the manager of all responsibility. They’ve tried all season. Always put effort in. The issues have been tactics. Absolute bollocks…..
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2022 20:16:54 GMT
Wow ! I can't quite get my head round this. MON has been far from perfect but individual mistakes have certainly cost us dearly this season and many would also say that a lack of effort has also been an issue in a number of games. Blame needs to be fairly apportioned across the board. On a night like this you're better off logging off from the bayern show and watching Quest and MOTD instead. He's in stubborn, whiny, narcissist mode, just let him get it out of his system........ When we finally get rid of the bottler in charge?
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Post by hughjarse on Apr 9, 2022 20:18:05 GMT
Wow ! I can't quite get my head round this. MON has been far from perfect but individual mistakes have certainly cost us dearly this season and many would also say that a lack of effort has also been an issue in a number of games. Blame needs to be fairly apportioned across the board. The lack of effort stuff isn’t true though for me. They’ve never really given up. Mistakes happen especially when you’re trying to play a way and don’t have the players for it. That again is more on the manager and not adapting. Do you think Josh Maja looks in the mirror after every match and has a clear conscience in relation to the manager's career
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2022 20:20:31 GMT
The lack of effort stuff isn’t true though for me. They’ve never really given up. Mistakes happen especially when you’re trying to play a way and don’t have the players for it. That again is more on the manager and not adapting. Do you think Josh Maja looks in the mirror after every match and has a clear conscience in relation to the manager's career Maja has been fine overall. His hold up play has been the best of any striker we’ve played all season.
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Post by GoBoks on Apr 9, 2022 20:22:34 GMT
Same reason the neggos were putting out 1 win in 12 a couple of weeks ago. But isn't 3 wins out of 4 something to be pleased about? The 3 out of 4 is also 3 out of 14 , all depends on the rose coloured specs I suppose I'd rather wear Rose colored specs than the black ones you're wearing that don't allow you to see anything! If you're going to use some arbitrary number of games in order to make MON look bad, at least do it right and stick to the facts - it's 4 out of 14. But in reality, the only thing that counts is we have won 15, drawn 10 and lost 16. Not wonderful, but not the end of the world either.
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Post by jokker on Apr 9, 2022 20:27:35 GMT
If it was ever in doubt that these players are not playing for the manager then that myth has been dispelled with those 9 points out of 12.Let’s hope we can continue to end the season with a few more wins👍 Why are we championing 3 wins out of 4? What about the other 37 games these so called ‘professionals’ have bothered to turn up at ? A win is a win but don’t start lauding them up…..they’ve got a LOT to make up for They've won 15 games, lost 16. That's not bad, just average, which is exactly what scfc are. No one is happy about that, but no need to despair about either.
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 9, 2022 20:29:24 GMT
Or they're playing for a contract hmmmm. Gouranga. If anything, I think that the cliff drop in form was because of this reason. Imagine the lunch room chatter if half of your workplace isn’t sure if they have a job in 3 months. 1-2 players going out of contract may well knuckle down and improve, but it can’t be easy to do that when half the squad is in that position. I imagine a lot of “why”, “what for” style comments in the free time.
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Post by hughjarse on Apr 9, 2022 20:35:37 GMT
Do you think Josh Maja looks in the mirror after every match and has a clear conscience in relation to the manager's career Maja has been fine overall. His hold up play has been the best of any striker we’ve played all season. I'm not convinced but enjoy your evening (on the back of a 3-1 win)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2022 20:39:20 GMT
Your calling someone irrelevant after they've stated the players aren't the issue.. So are you saying the players are the issue 🤔, the players MON has signed.. You're....basic English and sarcasm not your thing
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 9, 2022 20:42:19 GMT
Do you think Josh Maja looks in the mirror after every match and has a clear conscience in relation to the manager's career Maja has been fine overall. His hold up play has been the best of any striker we’ve played all season. At best, he’s been grossly ineffective. He’s barely played before coming to us and it shows. So far, he’s been worse than Matondo was here, who at least pulled a few good games out of his ass.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2022 20:47:45 GMT
Maja has been fine overall. His hold up play has been the best of any striker we’ve played all season. At best, he’s been grossly ineffective. He’s barely played before coming to us and it shows. So far, he’s been worse than Matondo was here, who at least pulled a few good games out of his ass. He hasn’t scored as many as we all would hope but I don’t think he’s been fit which is expected given he’s barely played before getting here this season. Can’t agree re the Matondo comparison. He had 1 and a half good games and did sod all else. Maja’s hold up play has made him useful in many games. He just hasn’t ran around like a blue arsed fly so people have a go.
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 9, 2022 20:51:26 GMT
Good win today and it's always fun to beat WBA but let's not pretend that it's transformed what has been a disappointing season. Steve Cooper at Forest has worked miracles given where they were when he got there and where they are now. O'Neill has done ok here and the last 4 games worth of form needed repeating over a long time in order to mean anything. It's pretty much the same as happened last year.. early promise, terrible middle to end then a few decent results which didn't change a disappointing season. That said I always like a Stoke win so.. tonight I'm happy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2022 20:53:18 GMT
Good win today and it's always fun to beat WBA but let's not pretend that it's transformed what has been a disappointing season. Steve Cooper at Forest has worked miracles given where they were when he got there and where they are now. O'Neill has done ok here and the last 4 games worth of form needed repeating over a long time in order to mean anything. It's pretty much the same as happened last year.. early promise, terrible middle to end then a few decent results which didn't change a disappointing season. That said I always like a Stoke win so.. tonight I'm happy. Bit of a pattern with injuries there as well though.
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 9, 2022 20:54:01 GMT
At best, he’s been grossly ineffective. He’s barely played before coming to us and it shows. So far, he’s been worse than Matondo was here, who at least pulled a few good games out of his ass. He hasn’t scored as many as we all would hope but I don’t think he’s been fit which is expected given he’s barely played before getting here this season. Can’t agree re the Matondo comparison. He had 1 and a half good games and did sod all else. Maja’s hold up play has made him useful in many games. He just hasn’t ran around like a blue arsed fly so people have a go. Good hold up play generally involves a subsequent pass and spin off the shoulder, which he hasn’t done all season. The ball hasn’t bounced off him, but he’s not really done anything either. Fletcher’s hold up play and general game was all round much better today than Maja’s has been all season. 1.5 good games in the league is 1.5 better games than Maja has had all season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2022 20:55:00 GMT
He hasn’t scored as many as we all would hope but I don’t think he’s been fit which is expected given he’s barely played before getting here this season. Can’t agree re the Matondo comparison. He had 1 and a half good games and did sod all else. Maja’s hold up play has made him useful in many games. He just hasn’t ran around like a blue arsed fly so people have a go. Good hold up play generally involves a subsequent pass and spin off the shoulder, which he hasn’t done all season. The ball hasn’t bounced off him, but he’s not really done anything either. Fletcher’s hold up play and general game was all round much better today than Maja’s has been all season. 1.5 good games in the league is 1.5 better games than Maja has had all season. Fletcher was poor today. Missed a sitter too. Maja overall has done more than Matondo did.
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 9, 2022 20:59:26 GMT
Good win today and it's always fun to beat WBA but let's not pretend that it's transformed what has been a disappointing season. Steve Cooper at Forest has worked miracles given where they were when he got there and where they are now. O'Neill has done ok here and the last 4 games worth of form needed repeating over a long time in order to mean anything. It's pretty much the same as happened last year.. early promise, terrible middle to end then a few decent results which didn't change a disappointing season. That said I always like a Stoke win so.. tonight I'm happy. Bit of a pattern with injuries there as well though. Admittedly.. but Forest lost Grabban for a significant period of time around Christmas and bought Surridge in the January window then carried on with their tremendous form. We were very well supported in the same window yet suffered a continuation of our downturn in form. Read into that what you will.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2022 21:02:04 GMT
Bit of a pattern with injuries there as well though. Admittedly.. but Forest lost Grabban for a significant period of time around Christmas and bought Surridge in the January window then carried on with their tremendous form. We were very well supported in the same window yet suffered a continuation of our downturn in form. Read into that what you will. We lost more than one player. Was like a plague of injuries. In all the years of watching have never seen the likes of. We brought some good youngsters through and signed a gem in Baker. Not a disaster and a fit squad and promising players coming through a lot of optimism
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Post by lordb on Apr 9, 2022 21:07:52 GMT
Bit of a pattern with injuries there as well though. Admittedly.. but Forest lost Grabban for a significant period of time around Christmas and bought Surridge in the January window then carried on with their tremendous form. We were very well supported in the same window yet suffered a continuation of our downturn in form. Read into that what you will. Three loans (one effectively a swap loan) & a free transfer Hardly pushing the boat out 'very well supported' Nah.
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Post by Gods on Apr 9, 2022 21:09:34 GMT
Still we gave away 3 points to a team barely avoiding relegation (Reading)! We need to up our games against the worst sides in this division! Peterbrough, one win and one draw = 2 points lost Barnsley, two draws = 4 points lost Deby, two defeats = 6 points lost Reading, one win and one defeat = 3 points lostIn total 15 points lost against those 4 bottom teams! If we had taken 8-9 of those points we would still be in there fighting for the playoffs! Point well made but Derby are not really bottom 3.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 9, 2022 21:11:35 GMT
Admittedly.. but Forest lost Grabban for a significant period of time around Christmas and bought Surridge in the January window then carried on with their tremendous form. We were very well supported in the same window yet suffered a continuation of our downturn in form. Read into that what you will. Three loans (one effectively a swap loan) & a free transfer Hardly pushing the boat out 'very well supported' Nah. He was massively backed. He was talking about play offs and expensive deals.
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Post by iglugluk on Apr 9, 2022 21:12:27 GMT
Admittedly.. but Forest lost Grabban for a significant period of time around Christmas and bought Surridge in the January window then carried on with their tremendous form. We were very well supported in the same window yet suffered a continuation of our downturn in form. Read into that what you will. Three loans (one effectively a swap loan) & a free transfer Hardly pushing the boat out 'very well supported' Nah. Get out of it.. given our position with FFP we had a surprisingly active transfer window. Very well supported? Yeh.
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