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Apr 2, 2022 21:59:00 GMT
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Post by peepin on Apr 2, 2022 21:59:00 GMT
I won’t get hysterical and say that Vokes would have put both opportunities away that he had today, because I’ve seen far greater players miss easier chances.
And his off the ball movement WAS better today than it was against Millwall along with his overall work rate being far superior than when he first joined.
However even if the opportunity had gone to send Campbell through on goal, stopping the ball and waiting around for everyone to track back rather than take the ball forward himself against two defenders was absolute lunacy and says to me that he is nowhere near fit enough.
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Apr 2, 2022 22:16:55 GMT
Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 2, 2022 22:16:55 GMT
Until coming to us I’d never seen him play before. Very short of match fitness I see him playing off another striker. At the moment he’s not had that opportunity. A balanced view I can’t make at this time
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Apr 2, 2022 22:20:41 GMT
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Post by samba :) on Apr 2, 2022 22:20:41 GMT
Missed 2 chances today that even Vokes would have scored. harsh, berahino maybe but not vokes
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Post by lordb on Apr 2, 2022 23:02:53 GMT
Been disappointed with Maja
Suspect he'll go elsewhere and score goals Doesn't look like doing it here
Frustrating
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Post by 1972stokey on Apr 3, 2022 4:46:52 GMT
He is just the latest in a long line of really poor loan signings by our Manager. As stated earlier he doesn’t win anything in the air and is too weak when receiving the ball along the ground, a lot of his running around today appeared wasted energy without any purpose. To compound the two good chances where he failed to make any meaningful contact he also had a headed opportunity where he completely missed the ball. The most concerning thing was In the post game interview MON was talking him up in terms of having a good game and what a quality player he was!!
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Apr 3, 2022 9:32:00 GMT
Post by pushon on Apr 3, 2022 9:32:00 GMT
He's a destitute man's Kenwyn Jones
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Apr 3, 2022 11:16:22 GMT
Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 3, 2022 11:16:22 GMT
He is just the latest in a long line of really poor loan signings by our Manager. As stated earlier he doesn’t win anything in the air and is too weak when receiving the ball along the ground, a lot of his running around today appeared wasted energy without any purpose. To compound the two good chances where he failed to make any meaningful contact he also had a headed opportunity where he completely missed the ball. The most concerning thing was In the post game interview MON was talking him up in terms of having a good game and what a quality player he was!! Agreed very concerning that he thinks Maja had a good game or that that performance was anywhere near an acceptable home performance by his side.
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Apr 3, 2022 11:31:03 GMT
Post by spiderpuss on Apr 3, 2022 11:31:03 GMT
Not really good enough, should have had one of the Tymon crosses and just not anticipating well enough. In the end Tymon gave up trying to cross to a bag of spuds and tried a worldy himself, with slightly more success it has to be said. Probably will move on anyway in the Summer.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 3, 2022 11:46:25 GMT
Had high hopes for him but he's either not good enough or his confidence is totally shot.
Either way I'd rather we didn't take the gamble with him.
May as well play Afobe.
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Apr 3, 2022 12:01:32 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Apr 3, 2022 12:01:32 GMT
Had high hopes for him but he's either not good enough or his confidence is totally shot. Either way I'd rather we didn't take the gamble with him. May as well play Afobe. agreed he’s the wrong type of player to what we need. Next year I’d like us to go with a pool of Brown, Campbell, Powell, target man, pacey striker. I’d let Fletcher and Maja go as ones too old and the other isn’t what we need and hasn’t impressed after a promising start. It’s a shame we never got to see Sima.
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Apr 3, 2022 12:02:33 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 3, 2022 12:02:33 GMT
Even the bloke who barely shouts by me was getting really mad at him.
Sadly I think he’s done here.
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Apr 3, 2022 12:06:30 GMT
Post by leesandfordstoupe on Apr 3, 2022 12:06:30 GMT
Even the bloke who barely shouts by me was getting really mad at him. Sadly I think he’s done here. I wish I had your confidence in that being the case.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 3, 2022 12:17:26 GMT
Even the bloke who barely shouts by me was getting really mad at him. Sadly I think he’s done here. I wish I had your confidence in that being the case. Fans will make sure of it unless he scores 3/4. He’s finished. I quite like him and thought his hold up play was quite good again. But the two misses (the second one in particular) were shocking. And I can’t even try to explain what that carry on was about when he stopped.
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Apr 3, 2022 12:24:46 GMT
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 3, 2022 12:24:46 GMT
I wish I had your confidence in that being the case. Fans will make sure of it unless he scores 3/4. He’s finished. I quite like him and thought his hold up play was quite good again. But the two misses (the second one in particular) were shocking. And I can’t even try to explain what that carry on was about when he stopped. It’s a problem with our current financial plan in my opinion. We take chances on young players who haven’t been in form either through injury or through other reasons. Striker is one of those positions that, if you are going to buy in January, you bring in someone who is currently scoring from a lower division, see Beattie. An in-form striker could have made this season turnout so differently.
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Post by marwood on Apr 3, 2022 12:35:16 GMT
A homeless mans Zay Angola
A tramp sitting outside a chip shop who is lucky enough to be given the last remnants of a drunken mans chips on the way out
But no they are snatched from him in fury and pissed upon What can he do then You offer him a strawberry 🍓 in return but he spits in you face
In summary:-
A drunken criminals Jose Andrade , trying to play football with his hands
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Post by lordb on Apr 3, 2022 13:51:19 GMT
Had high hopes for him but he's either not good enough or his confidence is totally shot. Either way I'd rather we didn't take the gamble with him. May as well play Afobe. You were doing so well until the last line Would take Maja at his worst over Afobe Sunderland fans are shocked that Maja isn't banging them in for us He's completely out of sorts Just not working for him here
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Apr 3, 2022 13:54:43 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 3, 2022 13:54:43 GMT
Doesn’t anyone know if we are committed to buy him as it wasn’t clear at the time we certainly have an option but you’d go nowhere near it right now What makes you think we are committed to buying him? Only reports I've seen stated loan with an option to buy i.e. Try before you buy Unless he has a purple patch, which seems unlikely, he will not be signing Unless you have seen a different report?
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Post by nickhfc on Apr 3, 2022 14:07:43 GMT
What a mixed bag !! He did some decent things in the game and some really poor ! The stop was unbelievable - I can only think he thought he was off-side and had a brain freeze when he realised he wasn't. What exactly did he do today that was decent? First few minutes he received the ball on left touchline, controlled it despite attentions of two defenders, cut inside past another and made a good pass. I thought he looked up for it then. Massively faded as the match went on. Missed at least 3 scoring opportunities.
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Apr 3, 2022 23:32:01 GMT
Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 3, 2022 23:32:01 GMT
Doesn’t anyone know if we are committed to buy him as it wasn’t clear at the time we certainly have an option but you’d go nowhere near it right now What makes you think we are committed to buying him? Only reports I've seen stated loan with an option to buy i.e. Try before you buy Unless he has a purple patch, which seems unlikely, he will not be signing Unless you have seen a different report? Heard nothing just fear the worst wherever us a transfer detail appear in the same sentence
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Apr 3, 2022 23:39:15 GMT
Post by nottsover60 on Apr 3, 2022 23:39:15 GMT
Had high hopes for him but he's either not good enough or his confidence is totally shot. Either way I'd rather we didn't take the gamble with him. May as well play Afobe. You were doing so well until the last line Would take Maja at his worst over Afobe Sunderland fans are shocked that Maja isn't banging them in for us He's completely out of sorts Just not working for him here I agree it doesn't seem to be working for him at the moment but he joined a club low on confidence and not creating much having not played at all this season because of injury and we need to cut him a bit of slack. It was a lovely ball in the first ten minutes that he slipped through to Brown with just the right weight on it. The signs are there if we are patient. He's still young and playing in a division he's not played in before where I suspect the defenders are much stronger and use the dark arts far more than he's experienced before.
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Apr 4, 2022 7:04:17 GMT
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Post by lordb on Apr 4, 2022 7:04:17 GMT
What makes you think we are committed to buying him? Only reports I've seen stated loan with an option to buy i.e. Try before you buy Unless he has a purple patch, which seems unlikely, he will not be signing Unless you have seen a different report? Heard nothing just fear the worst wherever us a transfer detail appear in the same sentence Well that's just paranoia
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Apr 4, 2022 7:06:29 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 4, 2022 7:06:29 GMT
As I said on Saturday night disgraceful
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Post by themistocles on Apr 4, 2022 7:40:43 GMT
As fans let's take some accountability here as start empowering him to be better.
Stop the booing of players it doesn't work.
Him standing around was a single lapse of judgement
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 4, 2022 10:07:17 GMT
I came on here to make the point I'm about to make and saw the article so I may be repeating what Simon Lowe says so forgive me if I am as I haven't yet read it. We seem to have a long history of signing strikers with a good scoring record who seem to find it difficult or impossible to score here : Kitson, Berahino, (I know attitude problem etc but he's till scored else where), Ince, Afobe, Surridge now Maja and probably more. They were bought by different managers and played in different systems so what is the consistent factor? The crowd. Are we too quick to judge, do we convey our disappointment in them too soon? Perhaps when Kitson talked about everything being his fault he was referring to the crowd not the coaching staff and felt he was being blamed by the fans for all the team's problems without saying as much.
We could be onto a real bargain if we can get a top striker for £3.5million with a bit of coaching like Brown has had but I suspect Saturday might have put paid to that as I'm sure he'll get other offers in the summer. Let's hope the coaching staff can talk him round if they want to keep him. They must be so frustrated with us when they are trying to build up a player's confidence but can't criticise us. I said at the ground on Saturday that he ran his socks off, started really brightly but faded but at least got on the end of those chances. They weren't as easy as made out either - the balls were coming in at pace from over his shoulder as he was running in at pace to get on the end of them. If he'd managed to he would have been a hero. Please think twice before you single out a player for booing.
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Apr 4, 2022 10:20:08 GMT
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Post by march4 on Apr 4, 2022 10:20:08 GMT
I came on here to make the point I'm about to make and saw the article so I may be repeating what Simon Lowe says so forgive me if I am as I haven't yet read it. We seem to have a long history of signing strikers with a good scoring record who seem to find it difficult or impossible to score here : Kitson, Berahino, (I know attitude problem etc but he's till scored else where), Ince, Afobe, Surridge now Maja and probably more. They were bought by different managers and played in different systems so what is the consistent factor? The crowd. Are we too quick to judge, do we convey our disappointment in them too soon? Perhaps when Kitson talked about everything being his fault he was referring to the crowd not the coaching staff and felt he was being blamed by the fans for all the team's problems without saying as much. We could be onto a real bargain if we can get a top striker for £3.5million with a bit of coaching like Brown has had but I suspect Saturday might have put paid to that as I'm sure he'll get other offers in the summer. Let's hope the coaching staff can talk him round if they want to keep him. They must be so frustrated with us when they are trying to build up a player's confidence but can't criticise us. I said at the ground on Saturday that he ran his socks off, started really brightly but faded but at least got on the end of those chances. They weren't as easy as made out either - the balls were coming in at pace from over his shoulder as he was running in at pace to get on the end of them. If he'd managed to he would have been a hero. Please think twice before you single out a player for booing. Much of what you say is correct but it didn’t seem to apply to Stein, Sheron, Sturridge, Fuller, BT, etc. the striker who got the worst abuse was Greenhoff. Yet he turned the crowd round and became a hero.
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Apr 4, 2022 10:25:07 GMT
Post by teagles05 on Apr 4, 2022 10:25:07 GMT
between maja and sima it'd be a close call for most pointless bit of business this season. both absolute shite
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Apr 4, 2022 10:32:53 GMT
Post by nottsover60 on Apr 4, 2022 10:32:53 GMT
I came on here to make the point I'm about to make and saw the article so I may be repeating what Simon Lowe says so forgive me if I am as I haven't yet read it. We seem to have a long history of signing strikers with a good scoring record who seem to find it difficult or impossible to score here : Kitson, Berahino, (I know attitude problem etc but he's till scored else where), Ince, Afobe, Surridge now Maja and probably more. They were bought by different managers and played in different systems so what is the consistent factor? The crowd. Are we too quick to judge, do we convey our disappointment in them too soon? Perhaps when Kitson talked about everything being his fault he was referring to the crowd not the coaching staff and felt he was being blamed by the fans for all the team's problems without saying as much. We could be onto a real bargain if we can get a top striker for £3.5million with a bit of coaching like Brown has had but I suspect Saturday might have put paid to that as I'm sure he'll get other offers in the summer. Let's hope the coaching staff can talk him round if they want to keep him. They must be so frustrated with us when they are trying to build up a player's confidence but can't criticise us. I said at the ground on Saturday that he ran his socks off, started really brightly but faded but at least got on the end of those chances. They weren't as easy as made out either - the balls were coming in at pace from over his shoulder as he was running in at pace to get on the end of them. If he'd managed to he would have been a hero. Please think twice before you single out a player for booing. Much of what you say is correct but it didn’t seem to apply to Stein, Sheron, Sturridge, Fuller, BT, etc. the striker who got the worst abuse was Greenhoff. Yet he turned the crowd round and became a hero. True but did they struggle initially and were they older and more indifferent to what the crowd thought? As in life footballers have different personalities and some will be more sensitive to criticism than others. To be honest I don't think Fuller was at all concerned about what anyone else thought. I also don't remember criticism ever being directed at one player in the 70's and 80's. I don't remember Greenhoff joining Stoke but by the time I became a fan he was my hero alongside Smith and Pejic and definitely seemed to be the club's poster boy.
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Apr 4, 2022 10:34:07 GMT
Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Apr 4, 2022 10:34:07 GMT
between maja and sima it'd be a close call for most pointless bit of business this season. both absolute shite Even Mystic Meg couldn't have predicted Sima's bad luck.
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 4, 2022 10:35:22 GMT
If so called supporters are booing a player who has played only a handful of games it says to me that those fans don't want him to succeed.
In what way is that helpful? Really annoying, brainless and probably why MON went out his way to talk him up post match if that is the case (though I haven't heard the interview myself)
Even Vokes didn't get booed after numerous poor games.
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Apr 4, 2022 10:41:42 GMT
Post by spitthedog on Apr 4, 2022 10:41:42 GMT
Much of what you say is correct but it didn’t seem to apply to Stein, Sheron, Sturridge, Fuller, BT, etc. the striker who got the worst abuse was Greenhoff. Yet he turned the crowd round and became a hero. True but did they struggle initially and were they older and more indifferent to what the crowd thought? As in life footballers have different personalities and some will be more sensitive to criticism than others. To be honest I don't think Fuller was at all concerned about what anyone else thought. I also don't remember criticism ever being directed at one player in the 70's and 80's. I don't remember Greenhoff joining Stoke but by the time I became a fan he was my hero alongside Smith and Pejic and definitely seemed to be the club's poster boy. Greenhoff did get quite a bit of stick initially, but this diminished because of our success on the pitch. I think Greenhoff went through a spell of seemingly doing the difficult things well and some of the easy things poorly and this frustrated supporters. His brilliance perhaps raised expectations too. He went up several gears when Hudson arrived in 1974 but had been around for 4 years by then. But when a team starts doing well (i.e. 2 x top 5 finishes) then these things tend to subside and now everyone just remembers it as a golden era. Dobing got some stick as well and I think this did affect him. (Sorry one for the oldies but relevant to the booing theme!)
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