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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 23, 2022 12:45:20 GMT
We should have bought a right back or used Edwards. He had plenty of opportunities to do both. One bad managerial decision doesn’t mean another one is justified. Collins is not a natural right back. He was still the better option above Edwards and Smith in a back four at that time. The first 6 games he played their we kept 6 clean sheets……. No he wasn’t and he was the best option at centre back.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 23, 2022 12:46:49 GMT
They did and then he didn’t use them together where it matters. Sometimes a player needs to play out of his best position to the best of the team, and this was probably the case here. Smith wasn't the answer at right back in a back four and still isn't as I see it. You could always argue that MON should have brought another right back in, but with finances very tight he might opted to spend the money available elsewhere. If we lost out of a lot of money because of this is debateable as we got £12M + add-ons. Could we really expect much more at that stage? Probably not a lot more from Burnley, but maybe if a bigger club had come in for him. Yes.
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Post by independent on Apr 23, 2022 12:59:57 GMT
When you are getting one out and getting one in the player you really want may/may not be available at the right price and wages that you can afford. So you may sign a player who is available to fill a position of less priority but still needed.
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Post by independent on Apr 23, 2022 13:00:41 GMT
When you are getting one out and getting one in the player you really want may/may not be available at the right price and wages that you can afford. So you may sign a player who is available to fill a position of less priority but still needed.
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Post by independent on Apr 23, 2022 13:15:31 GMT
Just look at the results that we got when Collins played RF and tell me again that it was a blunder and we should have played Edwards there instead. I am sick of reading that all these young players should be playing on our first team. When they get their chance it is up to them to grab it with both hands. How many of them have shown themselves to be undroppable. They are all "Great" players until we actually play them. I am only surprised that we have not heard that Forrester is being played out of position at RF. and is really a CF. This season we have had Smith, Wilmott, Ostegard, Forrester and Harwood-Bellis playing on the right side of our defence and none has proven ideal. At least the players that MON has signed can all be moved on without having to sell another of our best players first.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 23, 2022 13:30:04 GMT
Just look at the results that we got when Collins played RF and tell me again that it was a blunder and we should have played Edwards there instead. I am sick of reading that all these young players should be playing on our first team. When they get their chance it is up to them to grab it with both hands. How many of them have shown themselves to be undroppable. They are all "Great" players until we actually play them. I am only surprised that we have not heard that Forrester is being played out of position at RF. and is really a CF. This season we have had Smith, Wilmott, Ostegard, Forrester and Harwood-Bellis playing on the right side of our defence and none has proven ideal. At least the players that MON has signed can all be moved on without having to sell another of our best players first. We had a good record with Chester at CB it didn’t mean it was the correct thing. It’s shit argument imo.
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Post by pottersrule on Apr 23, 2022 17:37:38 GMT
Well he wasn't really competent at right back he was bloody awful and looked completely out of position.What Agenda? Give over man. He played there for a season in the PL which suggests he was. Yeah what agenda. I don’t have any agenda. It’s a bollocks lazy thing on here that just means you disagree with my opinion and can’t be arsed to argue it. Well how many seasons did John Walters play as a forward in the premier League? A player that you maintain to this day wasn't a premier League player when he absolutely, undeniably was.Thats what I mean about agenda when you try to argue against the facts,to try to somehow justify such a nonsensical,stupid statement. Walters was a premier league player,and that's a statement of fact, not an opinion.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 23, 2022 17:42:04 GMT
He played there for a season in the PL which suggests he was. Yeah what agenda. I don’t have any agenda. It’s a bollocks lazy thing on here that just means you disagree with my opinion and can’t be arsed to argue it. Well how many seasons did John Walters play as a forward in the premier League? A player that you maintain to this day wasn't a premier League player when he absolutely, undeniably was.Thats what I mean about agenda when you try to argue against the facts,to try to somehow justify such a nonsensical,stupid statement. Walters was a premier league player,and that's a statement of fact, not an opinion. I’ve said I don’t think Huth was a right back. My point was that people were saying the same about Collins and that was a shit argument but they were making a different conclusion. Neither are right backs.
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Post by independent on Apr 23, 2022 17:59:14 GMT
Just look at the results that we got when Collins played RF and tell me again that it was a blunder and we should have played Edwards there instead. I am sick of reading that all these young players should be playing on our first team. When they get their chance it is up to them to grab it with both hands. How many of them have shown themselves to be undroppable. They are all "Great" players until we actually play them. I am only surprised that we have not heard that Forrester is being played out of position at RF. and is really a CF. This season we have had Smith, Wilmott, Ostegard, Forrester and Harwood-Bellis playing on the right side of our defence and none has proven ideal. At least the players that MON has signed can all be moved on without having to sell another of our best players first. We had a good record with Chester at CB it didn’t mean it was the correct thing. It’s shit argument imo. We won 5 out of 18 games he played for us. I don't think even you would call that a good record and compare it with Collins figures.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 23, 2022 18:45:51 GMT
We had a good record with Chester at CB it didn’t mean it was the correct thing. It’s shit argument imo. We won 5 out of 18 games he played for us. I don't think even you would call that a good record and compare it with Collins figures. His first season numbers were going around that showed when he played we won. This season people used the same crap argument to justify Batth too.
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Post by pottersrule on Apr 23, 2022 18:53:50 GMT
Well how many seasons did John Walters play as a forward in the premier League? A player that you maintain to this day wasn't a premier League player when he absolutely, undeniably was.Thats what I mean about agenda when you try to argue against the facts,to try to somehow justify such a nonsensical,stupid statement. Walters was a premier league player,and that's a statement of fact, not an opinion. I’ve said I don’t think Huth was a right back. My point was that people were saying the same about Collins and that was a shit argument but they were making a different conclusion. Neither are right backs. Collins is more than capable of playing on the right in a three.Not a lot of difference than right back,in fact due to Collins form there has been a lot of debate that when Dyche was dismissed that they should play a back three to accommodate him, alongside Mee and Tarkowski, with Roberts and Taylor being used as wingbacks.Ben Mee is injured and so it all became academic.Surely it's better to play him on the right than have him sat on the bench.He was immense v Southampton.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 23, 2022 19:50:44 GMT
I’ve said I don’t think Huth was a right back. My point was that people were saying the same about Collins and that was a shit argument but they were making a different conclusion. Neither are right backs. Collins is more than capable of playing on the right in a three.Not a lot of difference than right back,in fact due to Collins form there has been a lot of debate that when Dyche was dismissed that they should play a back three to accommodate him, alongside Mee and Tarkowski, with Roberts and Taylor being used as wingbacks.Ben Mee is injured and so it all became academic.Surely it's better to play him on the right than have him sat on the bench.He was immense v Southampton. There’s a big difference. He should have been playing at centre half with Souttar when it was possible last season.
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