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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 8, 2022 10:05:08 GMT
Came across this on twitter, it seems shameful that a successful women's team lacks support from the club. Hopefully those on the supporters Council will take this on board
"@tashtezgel28: Its a disgrace that we have come so far in relation to women’s football and Stoke city refuse to get on board. Well said @nicjhudson it’s about time you made people aware of the struggles the club has faced for a very long time now. I’m sorry that this has been allowed to happen."
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Post by werrington on Mar 8, 2022 10:12:19 GMT
It’s always best to get both sides of the story before passing judgment I find
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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 8, 2022 10:15:41 GMT
It’s always best to get both sides of the story before passing judgment I find Totally agree, perhaps someone who knows can post it |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2022 11:01:10 GMT
It all stems from this Stoke tweet about the Technical Director stepping down.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Mar 8, 2022 11:29:27 GMT
Not surprising. Feels like classic 'bare minimum'
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 8, 2022 11:34:30 GMT
They're saying a lot but also saying fuck all really.
What don't the club do?
How haven't they funded them?
What's been asked for and rejected?
Throw us a bone so we know what the club isn't doing. Because from where I'm sitting, that's stuff I could write and people would rightfully question it.
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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 8, 2022 11:43:01 GMT
They're saying a lot but also saying fuck all really. What don't the club do? How haven't they funded them? What's been asked for and rejected? Throw us a bone so we know what the club isn't doing. Because from where I'm sitting, that's stuff I could write and people would rightfully question it. Absolutely correct which is why I wanted to open the debate. What is needed is hard facts if possible in comparison to other similar clubs. The amount of money that would be involved would appear miniscule in normal football terms. If it is true then it would truly be shameful, let's see the facts out in the open. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 8, 2022 13:12:32 GMT
I inderstand that an item is to be added to the agenda of the next supporters club meeting with the club. Well done them, it will be interesting to see what transpires
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 8, 2022 13:15:55 GMT
I never quite understood now our women's team ended up at Norton United's ground in Smallthorne? Have the women's team always played there, Norton went under in 2015 so do we own it, rent it off the council?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 8, 2022 13:24:35 GMT
For all the media love in and the attention it gets Women’s football is dying on its arse after the initial buzz.
Crowds are down apparently and let’s be honest the standard is dreadful from what I’ve seen.
Each to their own though
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Post by a on Mar 8, 2022 13:27:25 GMT
So, to echo bayernoatcake we’re non the wiser with regards to what has occurred? She was a professional footballer for about 4 years according to LinkedIn, then has become the ladies head coach, with some teaching in there too. I have to admit I hadn’t heard of her but the ladies seem to be effusive of praise for her. Hopefully we find out what has happened then because so far I know nowt (nothing new there 😉) |
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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 8, 2022 13:34:03 GMT
For all the media love in and the attention it gets Women’s football is dying on its arse after the initial buzz. Crowds are down apparently and let’s be honest the standard is dreadful from what I’ve seen. Each to their own though All reports say the contrary its growing in popularity having started in 1885! |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 8, 2022 13:37:45 GMT
For all the media love in and the attention it gets Women’s football is dying on its arse after the initial buzz. Crowds are down apparently and let’s be honest the standard is dreadful from what I’ve seen. Each to their own though All reports say the contrary its growing in popularity having started in 1885! Not what I’ve been reading it isn’t |
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Post by Squeekster on Mar 8, 2022 13:50:14 GMT
I never quite understood now our women's team ended up at Norton United's ground in Smallthorne? Have the women's team always played there, Norton went under in 2015 so do we own it, rent it off the council? Not sure if it's still owned by the NCB, didn't something happen when they played that cup game against FC United over gate receipts? |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 8, 2022 14:06:34 GMT
For all the media love in and the attention it gets Women’s football is dying on its arse after the initial buzz. Crowds are down apparently and let’s be honest the standard is dreadful from what I’ve seen. Each to their own though Girls football is growing massively, local teams are turning girls away as their simply isn't enough coaches. I coach a boys team but I'm currently on a rota with 5/6 other coaches taking girls sessions just to try and keep up with the demand. It's a well watched sport on TV if not a particularly well attended one which suggests the appetite is there, it's up to the powers that be to come together and come up with a plan to improve that over the next 20 years.......... |
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Post by ChesterStokie on Mar 8, 2022 14:07:50 GMT
Does our women’s football team actually generate any revenue? How much does it cost to run? Who pays for it?
And how much real interest is there in it? I’ve seen little on no interest in on it here or amongst Stoke City supporters that I speak to.
I might be wrong but I suspect that’s no real interest in it from the club’s hierarchy either but no doubt there would be uproar from certain quarters if we disbanded it.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 8, 2022 14:08:08 GMT
I never quite understood now our women's team ended up at Norton United's ground in Smallthorne? Have the women's team always played there, Norton went under in 2015 so do we own it, rent it off the council? Not sure if it's still owned by the NCB, didn't something happen when they played that cup game against FC United over gate receipts? Not sure mate, and I'm guessing we only get a couple of hundred spectators at our games they could get that at Clayton Wood and help get rid if the disconnect between the Women's team and the club as a whole surely? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 8, 2022 14:12:45 GMT
Not sure if it's still owned by the NCB, didn't something happen when they played that cup game against FC United over gate receipts? Not sure mate, and I'm guessing we only get a couple of hundred spectators at our games they could get that at Clayton Wood and help get rid if the disconnect between the Women's team and the club as a whole surely? Isn't playing games at the training ground even more undermining though? I agree re the location of where they play though. It's very odd. It's in what is very much Vale territory. We don't own it as far as I'm aware either. Always thought it was a shame that we didn't buy the old vic site and make an academy/ladies stadium and community training area. But that was just my little dream. |
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Post by Squeekster on Mar 8, 2022 14:13:32 GMT
Not sure if it's still owned by the NCB, didn't something happen when they played that cup game against FC United over gate receipts? Not sure mate, and I'm guessing we only get a couple of hundred spectators at our games they could get that at Clayton Wood and help get rid if the disconnect between the Women's team and the club as a whole surely? I agree, it always pisses me off when you see them at matches with buckets trying to get donations off fans when you when teams who are treating the ladies teams on a par with the men's, although they do have a section on the official web site. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2022 14:13:42 GMT
The average crowd outside of the so called big 3 is between 500 and 1000 according to 442 despite TV seriously pushing the sport.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 8, 2022 14:19:58 GMT
The average crowd outside of the so called big 3 is between 500 and 1000 according to 442 despite TV seriously pushing the sport. Crowds are down since Covid and even since the turn of the year, a few random examples below:    |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2022 14:24:44 GMT
The average crowd outside of the so called big 3 is between 500 and 1000 according to 442 despite TV seriously pushing the sport. Crowds are down since the turn of the year, a couple of random samples below: I don't get why a game would be broadcast live on TV where only 500 people are willing to actually attend. I get that they are trying to.promote the sport and satisfying certain groups etc and credit to them for that but is almost like it's being shoe horned in with the Premier League etc to push it even further and not working. I personally wish them good luck and hope the sport escalates but it simply isn't at the moment. |
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Post by werrington on Mar 8, 2022 14:25:38 GMT
Crowds are down since the turn of the year, a couple of random samples below: I don't get why a game would be broadcast live on TV where only 500 people are willing to actually attend. I get that they are trying to.promote the sport and satisfying certain groups etc and credit to them for that but is almost like it's being shoe horned in with the Premier League etc to push it even further and not working. I personally wish them good luck and hope the sport escalates but it simply isn't at the moment. They darent pull the plug mate |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2022 14:26:17 GMT
I don't get why a game would be broadcast live on TV where only 500 people are willing to actually attend. I get that they are trying to.promote the sport and satisfying certain groups etc and credit to them for that but is almost like it's being shoe horned in with the Premier League etc to push it even further and not working. I personally wish them good luck and hope the sport escalates but it simply isn't at the moment. They darent pull the plug mate You know I think you're spot on |
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Post by Goonie on Mar 8, 2022 14:36:33 GMT
The average crowd outside of the so called big 3 is between 500 and 1000 according to 442 despite TV seriously pushing the sport. Crowds are down since Covid and even since the turn of the year, a few random examples below: I once saw a game of men's rounders on S4C once in the 90s when on holiday Fringe sport - like Kabadi (in the West at least) |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Mar 8, 2022 14:37:05 GMT
I have thought in the past that the women's team seems a missed opportunity for Stoke and that a lot more could have been done. Comments like the below are unhelpful however popular or unpopular women's football is or isn't. In a parallel universe where women's football wasn't banned by the FA and women weren't discriminated against by and in comparison to men, it'd probably be more popular than the men's game. Support and coverage of the game are long, long, looooong overdue. At the very least, now girls can see football is something they can do. Then as more girls take up the sport, the standard will improve. For all the media love in and the attention it gets Women’s football is dying on its arse after the initial buzz. Crowds are down apparently and let’s be honest the standard is dreadful from what I’ve seen. Each to their own though |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 8, 2022 14:40:42 GMT
I have thought in the past that the women's team seems a missed opportunity for Stoke and that a lot more could have been done. Comments like the below are unhelpful however popular or unpopular women's football is or isn't. In a parallel universe where women's football wasn't banned by the FA and women weren't discriminated against by and in comparison to men, it'd probably be more popular than the men's game. Support and coverage of the game are long, long, looooong overdue. At the very least, now girls can see football is something they can do. Then as more girls take up the sport, the standard will improve. For all the media love in and the attention it gets Women’s football is dying on its arse after the initial buzz. Crowds are down apparently and let’s be honest the standard is dreadful from what I’ve seen. Each to their own though It gets far too much attention on the mainstream media for me whether you agree or not.With the amount of folk interested and in attendance it doesn’t warrant the coverage it gets at the minute. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 8, 2022 14:50:44 GMT
I have thought in the past that the women's team seems a missed opportunity for Stoke and that a lot more could have been done. Comments like the below are unhelpful however popular or unpopular women's football is or isn't. In a parallel universe where women's football wasn't banned by the FA and women weren't discriminated against by and in comparison to men, it'd probably be more popular than the men's game. Support and coverage of the game are long, long, looooong overdue. At the very least, now girls can see football is something they can do. Then as more girls take up the sport, the standard will improve. It gets far too much attention on the mainstream media for me whether you agree or not.With the amount of folk interested and in attendance it doesn’t warrant the coverage it gets at the minute. I watched a 5 day test match in South Africa recently with literally no one in attendance, should we take all test cricket off the air apart from England, Australia and India? In the age of multiple channels I'm not sure how the amount of coverage is that important, I guess if people don't like the product just turn over to one of the many other channels...... |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 8, 2022 14:57:08 GMT
It gets far too much attention on the mainstream media for me whether you agree or not.With the amount of folk interested and in attendance it doesn’t warrant the coverage it gets at the minute. I watched a 5 day test match in South Africa recently with literally no one in attendance, should we take all test cricket off the air apart from England, Australia and India? Totally different argument and sport mate.As Werrington as already said the broadcasters won’t pull the plug on the coverage because they’re frightened to death of the reaction.As time goes by and the younger generation play and watch more women’s football(like you’ve said)it may change but at this moment in time there’s no way for me it warrants thr coverage it get’s |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2022 14:57:29 GMT
It gets far too much attention on the mainstream media for me whether you agree or not.With the amount of folk interested and in attendance it doesn’t warrant the coverage it gets at the minute. I watched a 5 day test match in South Africa recently with literally no one in attendance, should we take all test cricket off the air apart from England, Australia and India? If the norm at all test matches I guess it would make sense but it isn't a weekly thing and crowds dwindling from very poor to extremely poor. You've found a very extreme example in a foreign country to prove a point there |
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